what aftermarket ecu to use?

[Bim]

As topic says, which ecus is there? And which one should i go for?

read some about predator, but as i live in Sweden im not sure if someone could map it.

and i have an saxo mk1 vts -98

I apologize for the poor writing

[Ross]

As topic says, which ecus is there? And which one should i go for?

read some about predator, but as i live in Sweden im not sure if someone could map it.

and i have an saxo mk1 vts -98

I apologize for the poor writing

Welcome to the forums.

If you tell us more about the specification of your engine we can help :)

Predator ecu is a cheap easy solution for you - single plug, replaces standard ecu, uses the same wiring.

Other ecus may be better suited be pending what you want from it.

Have you decided who will map the car yet? If so, speak to them about what system they prefer as that makes life easier. :)

[DanTvts]

If you have a local mapper you want to use, you would be be best off asking them which ecu/s they prefer to use, unless you already have one in mind.
As said the Predator ecu is likely the cheapest way of doing it, but some mappers don't like using it, in which case you do have other options (although not as cheap) such as Omex, KMS, DTA etc.

[Bim]

Well the Engine is standard, but when i got it thru the besiktning (Think you call it mot) after that i Will get some other camshafts, Newman ph3 or catcam 708 or what they are called, or maybe gmc cams?

Well, theyre are some Company in the city i live that maps, and many private persons that can map.

whats the thing with predator? It sounds pretty simple and Good.

[Mrjayware]

Omex do some good ecu's depending on what you want..

[DanTvts]

Well the Engine is standard, but when i got it thru the besiktning (Think you call it mot) after that i Will get some other camshafts, Newman ph3 or catcam 708 or what they are called, or maybe gmc cams?

Well, theyre are some Company in the city i live that maps, and many private persons that can map.

whats the thing with predator? It sounds pretty simple and Good.

The good thing about the Predator is that you don't have to adapt your wiring loom, its plug and play. So you are saving money on having a loom made/adapted. And also the cost of the Ecu itself is cheaper.
The bad thing is some tuners don't like to use the software it uses. Maybe worth asking a few local companies if they have a preference?

[Bim]

Well i know one mapper, that maps DTA (He mapped an old 106 with dta ecu).

Where can i buy and download software for predator? Could give him a Link and see if the software is somethink he would like to map.

Im pretty dumb at the theory part, more of a doer/builder trial and error.
also means, the things i read about sensors and cut and soldering wires for an New ecu is a bit to much.

[gazza808]

You can download the pred software in a lot of places just google tuner studio,
It's piss easy to use tbh

[Ross]

As said above Bim - the predator software uses Tuner Studio, which even if your mapper hasn't used before, is quite easy to get the hang of (so I hear, I've not used it myself).

The benefits of the predator ecu is mostly that it's plug and play - just remove your current ecu, and pop this in it's place. Done. That's it. No additional wiring required unless you want other optional sensors etc.

It's cheap(ish) at £450-500 new, compared to Omex 600 at £600 new, plus the omex needs a loom etc. Generally you won't see change from £1100 for an omex installed and mapped.

It's really down to your and your mappers preference. If you don't mind trying something new, predator. If you want to stick with a "known" supplier, Emerald, Omex, DTA etc are all good options.

Let us know how you get on!

[Bim]

Does predator work like an megasquirt? As there are a few mappers i know that maps that. Or is it just more work to map an predator ecu, or is it the same?

and if i got an pred ecu, couldnt i find an standard 16v tu5j4 map here to start with that Will get the car running? Often easier for the mapper, so HE aswell have an map to play a bit further with.

[K567]

Predator as far as I know is based on mega squirt with the addition of being adapted to plug n play. Tuner studio is the software and you can get that from www.tunerstudio.com it's free to use very easy to navigate around and setup. If you have mappers using mega squirt this is what they'll be using. The advantage of the predator is as stated plug n play so will save a lot of hassle and money.

[Ross]

the above - Pred is based on megasquirt so it tried and tested. It's also mapped using TunerStudio which is apparently easy to use if your mapper isn't familiar with it.

Andy (Luthor) who sells them has a range of base maps he can choose from to pre-load on the predator before shipping it to you, so you will have something to get you up and running - he's got several maps that are close to most specs (ie, standard, cammed, etc) so you should be covered enough to get you to somewhere that can fully map it.

[Bim]

That sounds Good, that there are some maps ready. Atm the car is standard , except Another airfilter, but Will get an other exhaust manifold.

Who sells predator ecu?

[Ross]

Andy - "luthor" on the forums.

Might also find one second hand:

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=431686

[Bim]

I still would like to know why some mappers dont like to map pred ecus.
Is it the same with ms that they dont like to map that iether?

the mapper suggest i bought something Else, because HE didnt know w "hat prec ecu was, and if it could get "tricky" or "probs" with the mapping. Cause its maybe sensitiver bcoz uses orig sensors etc?

if not, does anyone have an map, i could send him so HE could check it in tun er studio, maybe HE changes his mind. :-).

i cant go Into the sales forum yet, need more posts or become a member

[DanTvts]

I still would like to know why some mappers dont like to map pred ecus.
Is it the same with ms that they dont like to map that iether?



Yes some tuners don't like to map ms either. That's not to say its not just as capable as other ecu's. It's just got somewhat of a bad reputation in places, and quite a few tuners have a 'favourite' ecu which they prefer to map. If you can find someone local to you who is good, and willing to map a predator, i see no reason why you wouldn't go for that. Unless you wanted to spend a bit more and get another Ecu such as the ones that have been mentioned.

[Bim]

Then i'll Think i start off with the pred ecu, as its PnP and that the seller eventually could provide with an startin map. Thanks. Just need to save a few Bucks :-P .

[Dave_P]

Re: cams, you now get 708 evolution cams which give a few more bhp than the old 708's.
The predator ecu gets my vote too.

[Ryan]

Some tuners like to stick to some brands because they already have a base map that is 90% there and they can still charge shit loads for a minor tweak..

just sayin..

[jeffchiz]

as said the tuner studio is easy to use for any decent mapper, northampton motorsport mapepd my predator (first one they did) and they mapped it fine using the tunerstudio software (even though they needed pursuading to do it) and matt owner of pug1off said he couldnt believe how user friendly it is

[blackie_2k5]

some mappers dont like predator as they know or hear its megasquirt based..so expect it to be "megatune" software...which in the words of my mapper "is an absolute night mare and the bain of all mapper's lives, but yeah ill take it on"

he was very happy when he seen it was "tunerstudio", ran through it with andy on the phone for 5 mins and was more then pleased with it

said it was very use friendly and so easy to get used to

[jeffchiz]

you do find many people change their minds about predators once they use them, wasnt until i bought one i relaised theres alot of poeple out there that look down their nose at you if you have a predator because its based on a megasquirt

[blackie_2k5]

its very true mate, im not really too fussed what ppl think

i couldnt have got a new standalone ecu fitted and mapped to my vtr for under £700 anywhere else

i bought pred and fitted it to a 3 plug car before the 3 plug was ready, it runs my car and provides the functions i need from it so im happy :)

[Ross]

you do find many people change their minds about predators once they use them, wasnt until i bought one i relaised theres alot of poeple out there that look down their nose at you if you have a predator because its based on a megasquirt

I think it's plug and play is its main USP tbh - all other solutions require a custom loom and the effort of wiring that in (or cost if you have to pay someone of course).

Don't get me wrong - I'm an Omex guy at the moment I'm just defending the pred as its not all bad! :)

[Bim]

How much does the pred ecu goes for?

[blackie_2k5]

there is one for sale second hand at the min in the sales section for £450 ono

[Bim]

How much for a New one? Thought they went for 400 New

[Igorbio]

How much for a New one? Thought they went for 400 New

550 new with shipping or mapping

[AndySAXO]

as said the tuner studio is easy to use for any decent mapper, northampton motorsport mapepd my predator (first one they did) and they mapped it fine using the tunerstudio software (even though they needed pursuading to do it) and matt owner of pug1off said he couldnt believe how user friendly it is

when did you get your mapped there? as i believe i was first Predator he did. i had mine done about 2 1/2 year ago ish, before the predator was really about, i had one of the first 10 made i believe. and had no problem with my one.