Jobseekers Drug Test

[GolfJay]

Random debate.

Do you guys think people claiming Jobseekers Allowance should be subject to a drug test to be able to claim?

Personally I think it's a great idea. Get a lot of these scum bags off the dole even if they are out of work

[Brettles1986]

Random debate.

Do you guys think people claiming Jobseekers Allowance should be subject to a drug test to be able to claim?

Personally I think it's a great idea. Get a lot of these scum bags off the dole even if they are out of work

Excellent idea and they should be given their job seekers in vouchers for supermarkets or related utilities.

[Pitbull69]

I agree, but some people are on the dole for drug abuse, as its now classed as a disbality, so it might be a bit hard to bring into practice

[Sam]

I think job seekers should be stopped after 1month of not finding a job it will stop people being so picky when finding a job. And when the money stops it will get them off there ass and out looking for work.

[D1zzyman]

yeah its a great idea :y:

Excellent idea and they should be given their job seekers in vouchers for supermarkets or related utilities.

food stamps :O lol

[Prickle]

I think job seekers should be stopped after 1month of not finding a job it will stop people being so picky when finding a job. And when the money stops it will get them off there ass and out looking for work.

I think you should jump on seekers and try and find a PERM job within a month. ;)

Not always down to being fussy.

unfortunately this is probably too short, 6 months is more reasonable. It's hard really to comment when you haven't been in that situation.

indeed.

[Brettles1986]

I think job seekers should be stopped after 1month of not finding a job it will stop people being so picky when finding a job. And when the money stops it will get them off there ass and out looking for work.

unfortunately this is probably too short, 6 months is more reasonable. It's hard really to comment when you haven't been in that situation.

[dondan]

That's a great idea, personally I'd test the advisers at the job centre to as everyone I've experienced seems to be on fucking crack the amount of shit they come out with.

It's hard to decide who's a bigger waste of space, the drunk half stoned seeker or the adviser who is a habitual liar and completely full of shit (which I my experience they all are).

[jasonmayall]

I think drug testing people on the dole is a great idea!
When i was 18 i was out of work when i got sacked from my job at subway ( I gave a free drink away lol) I was out of work for nearly a month before i landed on my feet again. During that time i done everything possible to find myself a job and it paid off. Been here for 3 years now, and im rather happy!

However, I do have a friend who's been out of a job now for nearly 2 years!
She has absolutely no interest in finding a job, even though she says she does.
She's on the dole, all day, all she does is play the xbox and smoke weed.
I've offered her a job at our place, doing just odds n sods but she doesn't want to work in insurance. my other friend also offered her a job in retail, but she doesn't want to work in retail.
They should be forced to work anywhere they are given the chance in that situation.
She's nearly 21 too, absolutely no prospects for herself.

[smiith]

I think drug testing people on the dole is a great idea!
When i was 18 i was out of work when i got sacked from my job at subway ( I gave a free drink away lol) I was out of work for nearly a month before i landed on my feet again. During that time i done everything possible to find myself a job and it paid off. Been here for 3 years now, and im rather happy!

However, I do have a friend who's been out of a job now for nearly 2 years!
She has absolutely no interest in finding a job, even though she says she does.
She's on the dole, all day, all she does is play the xbox and smoke weed.
I've offered her a job at our place, doing just odds n sods but she doesn't want to work in insurance. my other friend also offered her a job in retail, but she doesn't want to work in retail.
They should be forced to work anywhere they are given the chance in that situation.
She's nearly 21 too, absolutely no prospects for herself.

Think they should be forced to take one, but as for this.. Saying force people into any old job, it wouldn't work at all.. Most of the time, if you don't want to do the job, you won't put the effort in, which will harm businesses rather than help them get a decent employee..

The best thing to do, is after 6 months, force them into community work, like cleaning up the area they live in, painting fences and such.. They won't want to do it for free, so they will be more inclined to get a job

[Sam]

I think you should jump on seekers and try and find a PERM job within a month. ;)

Not always down to being fussy.



indeed.

unfortunately this is probably too short, 6 months is more reasonable. It's hard really to comment when you haven't been in that situation.

I was on Jon seekers, I couldn't find a job so I started a job in a factory and continued looking. No I have the job I wanted :)

[jasonmayall]

I was on Jon seekers, I couldn't find a job so I started a job in a factory and continued looking. No I have the job I wanted :)

Good man, A lot of people should read this. Its better to have any job than no job at all. People will also find it far easier to get the job they want if they're already employed.

[Prickle]

I was on Jon seekers, I couldn't find a job so I started a job in a factory and continued looking. No I have the job I wanted :)

Yeah been there myself. I just thought you was one of those dudes that say this and that.. (wont go into it, cba tbf).

And good stuff mate.

[jasonmayall]

Think they should be forced to take one, but as for this.. Saying force people into any old job, it wouldn't work at all.. Most of the time, if you don't want to do the job, you won't put the effort in, which will harm businesses rather than help them get a decent employee..

The best thing to do, is after 6 months, force them into community work, like cleaning up the area they live in, painting fences and such.. They won't want to do it for free, so they will be more inclined to get a job

I agree. If they're happy enough to sponge for 6 months they should be more than happy to do community work and put something back.

I have a disabled friend, He's in a wheelchair and he's really trying to find a job, but obviously does find it difficult. But because he cant find a job and is having to claim benefits he's actually working as much as he can in a youth centre, he also helps a lot of disabled people learn to deal with their disabilities.

[MuZiZZle]

Excellent idea and they should be given their job seekers in vouchers for supermarkets or related utilities.

That's a good idea but they'd probably sell them, then if you made the need to be backed up with ID, they'd sell the actual items, I like the cut of your jib though

[b0t13]

work for the money is the best idea,

alot of junkies are on the dole so will fail anyway, if they dont get the money from the dole, theyll rob more stuff for the money = crime up! = more taxes

although unless disabled community work or no benefits should be enforced after around 8months, also the 'job' centre should be redone completely or just turned into a website that u log in to, as the people are shit from what ive heard

[MuZiZZle]

community work is the way forward, even litter picking or sorting through recycling, the recycling would be my choice, it's something that we need done!

[dondan]

The cretins who work at job centres are unreal, such a pack of bullshitters it's retarded!

[Tommo87]

Yep and all benefits should come as vouchers.

[Ash1711]

You know one thing I hate... is that these people claiming benefits are taking the taxpayers money... therefore they should do as the taxpayer says... (obviously within reason) maybe have a vote for the following...

1. Should they be drug tested.
2. Should they be forced to do community work.

etc etc...

In fact the government should always do what the taxpayers want - isn't that the whole point of a government... elected by the people for the people... They're just a bunch of fucking muppets robbing us blind by taking our money and doing with it what they please... sorry but that's theft...

[Sam]

Yeah been there myself. I just thought you was one of those dudes that say this and that.. (wont go into it, cba tbf).

And good stuff mate.

That's what I thought you where getting at that, I was just voicing my opinion.

[Brettles1986]

community work is the way forward, even litter picking or sorting through recycling, the recycling would be my choice, it's something that we need done!

Issues there though as well.

Councils will have to lay off staff as these people are taking their place for nothing as good as.

[W103_A5H]

I think its a good idea! We pay them so we should have a right to say how they get to spend the money we give them.

As for finding a job, its not that easy. I was made redundant in January. Didn't find another job un April and I was looking most days of every week I was unemployed! Having said that I didn't bother claiming job seekers as I got redundancy money which was alot but I didn't want to feel like a bum going down the job center every other week :D It wasn't untill my money started running out that I did put a claim in. All I can say is they are about as usefull as a pig covered in shit!!

To anyone who is looking for a job, write yaself a C.V. up. Whack it on Jobsite.co.uk and await the phonecalls/texts! I got a fair few interviews from putting my C.v. on it. and I got my current job through an agency that found me on there.

I am doing 2 things I never wanted to do for a job, thats working nights and traveling (drive is about 50mins - hour depending on traffic sometimes more.) But I am doing it, because I want money. I want to work. I want to have a life. I was bored SHITLESS being out of work for the few months I was out of it, not to mention the lack of money pissed me off aswell. So how the hell people can sit on there ass all day smoking/drinking and playing computer games I do not know.

PEOPLE NEED DRIVE Y0!

[pugway92]

This is the best idea ive heard all week!

[Carlvtr88]

TBH, Although i agree with a lot of the comments on here. Drug testing would get the blood suckers out the picture.

But the thing is. I've been on the dole. Quite a few times. Not because im lazy but because im 23 and been made redundant 3 times already. First company moved where I was for 3.5 years. The rest just got hit hard with the recession and had to let people go.

Now although the dole is a ridiculous amount of money to live on. Its at least "something ". Someone said above about stopping it after a month..... I 10 % agree 90 % disagree. Mainly because I tried for about 2 - 3 months to get myself a job. Agencies FUCK you about something rotten in Brum. They take the piss.

Sometimes your working for an agency, they give you one or two days a week and then nothing for the rest of the month. Its literally slave labour 6 quid an hour. So you're there, willing to work. Earning less than you do if you sit on your arse. The dole is also guaranteed money every 2 weeks.

So then what do you do? Claim to top up your earnings i hear.... well, no, because they make it so damn fuckin difficult to do so. Making you fill in a sheet times dates that you've worked hours, pay you got. Its just impossible when half the people you speak to on the phone are talking to you through a cup n string from a barge on the outskirts of the red sea.

Half of them dont know what they're doing, fuck your claim up and all sorts.
I left school with GCSE's, I also have good I.T qualifications yet theres that many people applying for jobs it takes time. Half the time you dont even get a response.

Luckily now, i've just landed a good job, permanent. So no more agency / recruitment centre shit for me. I'm fully sick of it and until the government sort the way these agencies treat people then people will sit on the dole because they are sick of being robbed by these cunts.

Just to confirm this is an argument in favour of those who are genuinely in need of help from the system. I dont back the scroungers one bit and I agree with the drug testing.

[e8_pqck]

I've been out of work, took about 3 months to get the job I wanted, I was pretty aggressive with my job hunting and got a fair few interviews, I fucked up one job interview and I really wanted it, and they went down with the recession. The job I wasnt sure about I got and haven't looked back. Funny thing was, some of the agencies I was dealing with knew about the job I got but didn't put me forward for it.

[Heliosphan]

Nope, not in favour.

Perhaps people think we should test every single person in the country who is in receipt of any kind of government money. I receive Child Benefit, should I be tested to ensure that I'm not skinning up on a daily basis? How about we also ban job-seekers from smoking or eating cheeseburgers? Both are luxuries and have the potential to make people ill/obese and then cost the tax-payer money when they need NHS treatment.

Once this kind of thing starts, you have to ask where does it end?

Furthermore, I would imagine the cost to the government would be significant. Not only in the tests themselves but to actually administer. It would certainly stymie the savings to an already massive welfare bill.

Then there are about a zillion questions relating to the drugs themselves. Off the top of my head: how often are you going to test me and what if I go clean for a few days? Are there any drugs I could take to mask the effects? What sort of drugs will exclude me from benefits? Does it include prescription drugs? Will it encourage me to take different kinds of drugs? If I'm a job-seeker, am I allowed a pint of beer the night before a test or does that mean I'm an alcoholic in the eyes of some government jobsworth?

Rather than stigmatising anyone who requires state assistance, the government should formulate other ideas to reduce the welfare bill. This idea just smacks of lazy politics as far as I'm concerned.

[iVTR]

Nope, not in favour.

Perhaps people think we should test every single person in the country who is in receipt of any kind of government money. I receive Child Benefit, should I be tested to ensure that I'm not skinning up on a daily basis?

Yes?

Why the fuck should the government give you money for 'child benefit' if you can afford to smoke a blunt when you want. (Not directing this at you - just raised a point)

1. Smoking drugs, mmmkay good parenting.
2. You don't need the money.

Completely against everything child benefit is for.


How about we also ban job-seekers from smoking or eating cheeseburgers?

And yes, you can do that also. Do the unhealthy fat cunts a favour.





:drink:

[iVTR]

Great Idea Jay, did you see this in the news or just thought of it?

The people I know of on the dole around half are on drugs, which 'how do they afford it' I hear you ask.

They get paid every week by the government for 'drugs money'

Doesn't take a genius to work out somethings wrong there... right?

Like others have said, food vouchers, drugs tested and community work.

Why the fuck should we pay for them to sit there with Sky+ subscriptions?

It really pisses me off, but in the long run they are the mugs. £55 a week or whatever it is for the rest of their lives.. yeah nice one mate :y:

[Barry123]

I think job seekers should be stopped after 1month of not finding a job it will stop people being so picky when finding a job. And when the money stops it will get them off there ass and out looking for work.

wooooah... There's graduates on the dole that often have months-long assessments before they get employed.

For non-graduate scum then yeah I cool with 1 month limit though.

[Wade]

Brilliant idea! Saves them spending our hard earned cash on drugs.

[0rang3peel]

This is a fucking retarded idea.

What % of people do you think are spending their JSA money on drugs? JSA is a tiny amount living off it is pretty much impossible, let alone if you spend it on a tiny amount of drugs that would get you high for a day or two!

At a guess probably less than 5% of JSA claimers spend money on drugs, so because of that small amount everyone should have drug tests? sounds like a great idea.. not.

also, the only test what would be feasible would be a piss test which are not exactly hard to fake.

[deans2k8]

i partly agree and dissagree, i am on jsa currently getting shafted with a day or two's work from agencies here and there and applying for every job i can a 1 month limit on jobseekers would be retarded its not guaranteed that you will be working in a month, and drug tests aren't cheap knowing from experience as the company i used to work for had a drugs and alcohol test before you were allowed to start working on the station iirc cost around £65 per person times that by how many people are on jobseekers would just be a financial drain on the country may aswell let the bagheads shoot up and die tbh

[Manu]

Such an awesome idea. Watch black market and crime figures rocket, not to mention the cost of such an operation which the JobCenter can't afford at the moment. What's next, you're gonna have to wear a pink star if you're gay, or a sign saying I'm a doper and a sponge?

OP reads too much daily fail or something. Go have a rant at your prince and his taxpayer funded hooker naked billiards holidays in vegas. Go have a look at that MP duck house, his 200 inch TV, a secondary house or even a full tank for a 3.0 V6 all filed under "expenses". That's a lot more than just £70 a week. Go have a look at how much a drug test would cost, multiply that by the amount of people currently on the dole and look back at the sheer stupidity of what you're saying.


And while you're at it, also have them banned from smoking tobacco, drinking, fast food. Also they should not be able to access cars bigger than 1000cc, they should be barred from pubs, restaurants and any other place that they don't need. No xboxes and no TV bigger than 22" allowed, and finally a complete ban on using Andrex tissue. Because otherwise they're all scroungers innit. For shopping, the only place allowed would be lidl or aldi with food vouchers.

Once you're done with all that, they should go for 6 months a year in community service holiday camps. And you end up with http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2103618/Tesco-demands-changes-Governments-unpaid-work-scheme-protests-supermarket-intensify.html

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[iVTR]

This is a fucking retarded idea.

What % of people do you think are spending their JSA money on drugs? JSA is a tiny amount living off it is pretty much impossible, let alone if you spend it on a tiny amount of drugs that would get you high for a day or two!

At a guess probably less than 5% of JSA claimers spend money on drugs, so because of that small amount everyone should have drug tests? sounds like a great idea.. not.

also, the only test what would be feasible would be a piss test which are not exactly hard to fake.

I'd say it's closer to 30-40 percent.

People who have been on JSA longer than 6 months get into a cycle of being a failure, so do drugs.

I know a few who have just become fucking idiots..

[Manu]

I'd say it's closer to 30-40 percent.

People who have been on JSA longer than 6 months get into a cycle of being a failure, so do drugs.

I know a few who have just become fucking idiots..

figures pulled straight out of where the sun don't shine + tar everyone with the same brush.

[Manu]

community work is the way forward, even litter picking or sorting through recycling, the recycling would be my choice, it's something that we need done!

chain gang convicts and have them do the litter picking. Now the real problem is common people with absolutely no pride and no respect for their environment who litter all over the place, what will that teach them? Oh it's fine I can drop my mcd takeaway, someone will pick it up.

And the recycling would be your choice? Your choice just put out people out of paid jobs. Just read the tesco scam that I linked above. You guys are aiming to open pandoras boxes all over the place thinking you have the solution to a problem that you have no idea about.

[deans2k8]

I'd say it's closer to 30-40 percent.

People who have been on JSA longer than 6 months get into a cycle of being a failure, so do drugs.

I know a few who have just become fucking idiots..

what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[0rang3peel]

I'd say it's closer to 30-40 percent.

People who have been on JSA longer than 6 months get into a cycle of being a failure, so do drugs.

I know a few who have just become fucking idiots..

if you think 30-40% of JSA collectors are on drugs / use there JSA to buy drugs you are a complete moron.

[Mr_P]

Finally, some people who can see the stupidity in this idea.

What do the sax-p geniuses suspect will happen to everyone who fails a test? That's suspect, not suggest.



The government write them off and leave them to fend for themselves?


Great idea, not that this government will ever do such a thing, numerous outcomes. Increase in crime likely, or they become good humble citizens, get clean, finally get a job and give something back to society.... Not in a month of Sundays.



The government pay for rehab classes whilst cutting their JSA until complete


Another splendid idea, more cost than JSA. Plenty won't bother and turn to crime. A small few might complete the courses and get back on JSA.




The government pay for rehab with attendance meaning they get to keep their JSA


Possibly a better idea, but that's costing the taxpayer even more money!




The government pay for individual investigation, deem half of them unfit for work and allow them to claim DLA


We have a winner! Let's let them off scott free. Give them absolutely nothing to do whilst funding a program that'll destroy the country and make these people's lives a luxury!


:wall:

[MuZiZZle]

chain gang convicts and have them do the litter picking. Now the real problem is common people with absolutely no pride and no respect for their environment who litter all over the place, what will that teach them? Oh it's fine I can drop my mcd takeaway, someone will pick it up.

And the recycling would be your choice? Your choice just put out people out of paid jobs. Just read the tesco scam that I linked above. You guys are aiming to open pandoras boxes all over the place thinking you have the solution to a problem that you have no idea about.

That's bollocks basically

I work for a waste management company

We get 20 tons of rubbish per wagon all day long, 100s of tons a day and it goes to landfill, we own the landfills

Nothing gets sorted

So how would it put anyone out of a job!?

[Manu]

That's bollocks basically

I work for a waste management company

We get 20 tons of rubbish per wagon all day long, 100s of tons a day and it goes to landfill, we own the landfills

Nothing gets sorted

So how would it put anyone out of a job!?

because you could give someone a wage for sorting out rubbish and recycle, instead of giving that to people who don't give a fuck because they ain't paid to do it? As in pay peanuts get monkeys. I'd say your company aren't doing their job, and that's the real bollocks. Nothing gets sorted because your management takes the money and runs.

Waste management = bury it all in a landfill? Fucking lol, go ask the Germans about recycling and how they do, they've been making money out of this for 40 years+. The fuck it has to do with people on the dole anyway.

[MuZiZZle]

They're landfills?

The rubbish isn't sorted at all as it doesn't have to be, if we created jobs the cost per ton would go up for the people dumping

So why not use them?

[0rang3peel]

Finally, some people who can see the stupidity in this idea.

What do the sax-p geniuses suspect will happen to everyone who fails a test? That's suspect, not suggest.



The government write them off and leave them to fend for themselves?


Great idea, not that this government will ever do such a thing, numerous outcomes. Increase in crime likely, or they become good humble citizens, get clean, finally get a job and give something back to society.... Not in a month of Sundays.



The government pay for rehab classes whilst cutting their JSA until complete


Another splendid idea, more cost than JSA. Plenty won't bother and turn to crime. A small few might complete the courses and get back on JSA.




The government pay for rehab with attendance meaning they get to keep their JSA


Possibly a better idea, but that's costing the taxpayer even more money!




The government pay for individual investigation, deem half of them unfit for work and allow them to claim DLA


We have a winner! Let's let them off scott free. Give them absolutely nothing to do whilst funding a program that'll destroy the country and make these people's lives a luxury!


:wall:

thank fuck there's someone else is in this thread that's not totally mental

[MuZiZZle]

I just noticed the latter part of your post

Yes waste management is burying things in a landfill, recycling companies recycle things, so we are doing our job to be honest

I jut thought it was a bit of a shame that a lot of it could be recycled and that dole folks would be an economical option

[Manu]

I just noticed the latter part of your post

Yes waste management is burying things in a landfill, recycling companies recycle things, so we are doing our job to be honest

I jut thought it was a bit of a shame that a lot of it could be recycled and that dole folks would be an economical option

Give the dole folks a fucking job instead of half arsed bullshit like this.

I'll tell you what the other problem is: employers who try to avoid paying charges and whatnot. They'd rather ask a self employed contractor to do the job and always go for the lowest bidder. Pay peanuts get monkeys applies once again and you end up with a job not done, + a land full of potentially recyclable rubbish. Think about it.

[Heliosphan]

Why the fuck should we pay for them to sit there with Sky+ subscriptions?

If I'm given a sum of money to live on, what gives you the right to tell me how I can spend it? If I was a person who had worked all my life, paid into the system and then lost my job aged 55 are you saying that I should abandon all luxuries at this point? Furthermore, since when has any tax-payer had direct control over how his/her taxes are spent? If I was on income support and I chose to live on bread and rain-water throughout the week because I enjoy a skin-full of beer on a Friday night or because I like Sky tv, why is that not my right?

An indication of a civilised country is how it looks after it's needy. Just because you're on any kind of benefits it doesn't mean you forfeit your civil rights

I'd say it's closer to 30-40 percent.

People who have been on JSA longer than 6 months get into a cycle of being a failure, so do drugs.

This is total and utter bullshit, seriously what planet are you on?

As I said earlier, if you're so concerned about government money funding a drug habit then let's test anyone who receives state benefits: parents, disabled people and pensioners for instance.

[iVTR]

If I'm given a sum of money to live on, what gives you the right to tell me how I can spend it? If I was a person who had worked all my life, paid into the system and then lost my job aged 55 are you saying that I should abandon all luxuries at this point? Furthermore, since when has any tax-payer had direct control over how his/her taxes are spent? If I was on income support and I chose to live on bread and rain-water throughout the week because I enjoy a skin-full of beer on a Friday night or because I like Sky tv, why is that not my right?

An indication of a civilised country is how it looks after it's needy. Just because you're on any kind of benefits it doesn't mean you forfeit your civil rights



This is total and utter bullshit, seriously what planet are you on?

As I said earlier, if you're so concerned about government money funding a drug habit then let's test anyone who receives state benefits: parents, disabled people and pensioners for instance.

I'll admit that figure was pulled out my rectum, I'm mainly playing devils advocate in this thread.

In short, yes.

Why should they pay for 'luxuries'. Having paid into the pot previously is irrelevant.. we all do. And continue to whilst your watching sky +.

JSA should purely be there to support you until you secure a job, no bullshit.

And yes, all benefits should be means tested in my opinion. Might cost some money getting people tested, but money well spent if it means it's not going to the wrong people.

:y:

[0rang3peel]

I'll admit that figure was pulled out my rectum, I'm mainly playing devils advocate in this thread.

In short, yes.

Why should they pay for 'luxuries'. Having paid into the pot previously is irrelevant.. we all do. And continue to whilst your watching sky +.

JSA should purely be there to support you until you secure a job, no bullshit.

And yes, all benefits should be means tested in my opinion. Might cost some money getting people tested, but money well spent if it means it's not going to the wrong people.

:y:

are you trying to replace minigibbo as the forums spacktard?

[Daz_Kez]

After reading so much un-educated bullshit in this thread..

I would like to ask the OP two relatively simple questions.

1: What do you consider to be a luxuries to people claiming JSA?

2: What do you think the tax that you pay actually goes towards?

[iVTR]

are you trying to replace minigibbo as the forums spacktard?

No.. I always thought our post style was similar though.

I found him funny tbh.

:homme:

[Mr_P]

And yes, all benefits should be means tested in my opinion. Might cost some money getting people tested, but money well spent if it means it's not going to the wrong people.

You really don't get it do you?

What do you think the government will do with people who fail a drugs test?

Do you think they'll cut them off from all their benefits, throw them out on the street and then expect them not to commit any crimes?

Or just read my post from earlier with the most likely things to happen. All of which will cost MORE! Than what they currently receive.

[Heliosphan]

Why should they pay for 'luxuries'. Having paid into the pot previously is irrelevant.. we all do. And continue to whilst your watching sky +.
And yes, all benefits should be means tested in my opinion. Might cost some money getting people tested, but money well spent if it means it's not going to the wrong people.

The point was to illustrate that not everyone on benefits is a deadbeat who has never done a days work in their lives and who just sit around smoking weed all day. Everyone is entitled to a minimum standard of living but from an entirely moral or theoretical perspective you can say that some are more deserving of that than others.

Whatever sum of money a person receives it is entirely their prerogative as to how that money is spent. It's futile to argue otherwise. By all means argue that benefits should be cut or means tested but obviously no-one should be forced into poverty or disincentivised from finding work.

[rorz_vts]

I personally think if they did community service after say the 6month mark for 6 months and still didn't find a job I'd send them into the army with a 4/5 year minimum sign up contract. Faced with the proposition of going to war I'm sure most would find a job unless they took the chance given to them.

[CrouchyM]

Yes, half of the people round here on jobseekers walk in with a beer in hand at mid day or are crack heads.

[jones91]

I personally think if they did community service after say the 6month mark for 6 months and still didn't find a job I'd send them into the army with a 4/5 year minimum sign up contract. Faced with the proposition of going to war I'm sure most would find a job unless they took the chance given to them.
i think the only problem with that is that most the crack heads on the doll would end up turning to crime rather than live a life in the military

[iVTR]

You really don't get it do you?

What do you think the government will do with people who fail a drugs test?

Do you think they'll cut them off from all their benefits, throw them out on the street and then expect them not to commit any crimes?

Or just read my post from earlier with the most likely things to happen. All of which will cost MORE! Than what they currently receive.

Ah, point taken - for some reason I was there typing away thinking our government had a backbone!

Ha, silly me.

[Daz_Kez]

Ah, point taken - for some reason I was there typing away thinking our government had a backbone!

Ha, silly me.

No backbone, merely a scheme..
Ie:
Fucking you out of so much tax every time you get paid and you're the gullible cunt who thinks it all goes to 'sponging smack heads'!

Oh my..

[Ella_P]

You really don't get it do you?

What do you think the government will do with people who fail a drugs test?

Do you think they'll cut them off from all their benefits, throw them out on the street and then expect them not to commit any crimes?

Or just read my post from earlier with the most likely things to happen. All of which will cost MORE! Than what they currently receive.

The people who fail the drugs test could be given their JSA purely in food and clothes vouchers.

I grew up in an area were the majority of people were on JSA. Seeing parents spend the money on weed fags and booze whilst the kids go hungry is fucking ridiculous. If you're abusing the system there should be implications.

I don't want my tax going towards someone getting high/ off their face on crack. Also gives a bad rep for people who are on JSA and genuinely can't find a job and are trying to make ends meet.

[Bound]

Nope, not in favour.

Perhaps people think we should test every single person in the country who is in receipt of any kind of government money. I receive Child Benefit, should I be tested to ensure that I'm not skinning up on a daily basis? How about we also ban job-seekers from smoking or eating cheeseburgers? Both are luxuries and have the potential to make people ill/obese and then cost the tax-payer money when they need NHS treatment.

Once this kind of thing starts, you have to ask where does it end?

Furthermore, I would imagine the cost to the government would be significant. Not only in the tests themselves but to actually administer. It would certainly stymie the savings to an already massive welfare bill.

Then there are about a zillion questions relating to the drugs themselves. Off the top of my head: how often are you going to test me and what if I go clean for a few days? Are there any drugs I could take to mask the effects? What sort of drugs will exclude me from benefits? Does it include prescription drugs? Will it encourage me to take different kinds of drugs? If I'm a job-seeker, am I allowed a pint of beer the night before a test or does that mean I'm an alcoholic in the eyes of some government jobsworth?

Rather than stigmatising anyone who requires state assistance, the government should formulate other ideas to reduce the welfare bill. This idea just smacks of lazy politics as far as I'm concerned.

This is a fucking retarded idea.

What % of people do you think are spending their JSA money on drugs? JSA is a tiny amount living off it is pretty much impossible, let alone if you spend it on a tiny amount of drugs that would get you high for a day or two!

At a guess probably less than 5% of JSA claimers spend money on drugs, so because of that small amount everyone should have drug tests? sounds like a great idea.. not.

also, the only test what would be feasible would be a piss test which are not exactly hard to fake.

Such an awesome idea. Watch black market and crime figures rocket, not to mention the cost of such an operation which the JobCenter can't afford at the moment. What's next, you're gonna have to wear a pink star if you're gay, or a sign saying I'm a doper and a sponge?

OP reads too much daily fail or something. Go have a rant at your prince and his taxpayer funded hooker naked billiards holidays in vegas. Go have a look at that MP duck house, his 200 inch TV, a secondary house or even a full tank for a 3.0 V6 all filed under "expenses". That's a lot more than just £70 a week. Go have a look at how much a drug test would cost, multiply that by the amount of people currently on the dole and look back at the sheer stupidity of what you're saying.


And while you're at it, also have them banned from smoking tobacco, drinking, fast food. Also they should not be able to access cars bigger than 1000cc, they should be barred from pubs, restaurants and any other place that they don't need. No xboxes and no TV bigger than 22" allowed, and finally a complete ban on using Andrex tissue. Because otherwise they're all scroungers innit. For shopping, the only place allowed would be lidl or aldi with food vouchers.

Once you're done with all that, they should go for 6 months a year in community service holiday camps. And you end up with http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2103618/Tesco-demands-changes-Governments-unpaid-work-scheme-protests-supermarket-intensify.html

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[Heliosphan]

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Bound is back from his sabbatical !

Where have you been dude?

[iVTR]

The people who fail the drugs test could be given their JSA purely in food and clothes vouchers.

I grew up in an area were the majority of people were on JSA. Seeing parents spend the money on weed fags and booze whilst the kids go hungry is fucking ridiculous. If you're abusing the system there should be implications.

I don't want my tax going towards someone getting high/ off their face on crack. Also gives a bad rep for people who are on JSA and genuinely can't find a job and are trying to make ends meet.

+1.

:y:

[Manu]

You really don't get it do you?

What do you think the government will do with people who fail a drugs test?

Do you think they'll cut them off from all their benefits, throw them out on the street and then expect them not to commit any crimes?

Or just read my post from earlier with the most likely things to happen. All of which will cost MORE! Than what they currently receive.


+1. Reminds me of WWII, when hitler decided to cut support for the handicapped, mentally challenged, and old people. Because they were "not contributing to society". For those who don't know your history about what he did with them to avoid the repercussions of that decision, do your research. OP and his chums have found the solution to save the British economy obviously, and you can tell they're not left winged as they did not suggest to implement a poor tax.

That's the longest retard bandwagon and most amount of bullshit I have ever seen in one thread only. Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick, you lot are amazingly oblivious to common sense and completely pointing the finger in the wrong direction. When it's not dey took errr jerrbs, it's dey took errr taxxx.

Here's a little bit of education for today:

Edmund Burke
"Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it."

[Heliosphan]

The people who fail the drugs test could be given their JSA purely in food and clothes vouchers.

A consequence of this idea would be hundreds of angry, desperate drug users. A further consequence would be an adverse effect on crime levels as they seek to fund their addiction via other means.

I grew up in an area were the majority of people were on JSA. Seeing parents spend the money on weed fags and booze whilst the kids go hungry is fucking ridiculous. If you're abusing the system there should be implications.

I'm always willing to change my mind when faced with a solid counter-argument backed up with facts. However, everything that you've said above is entirely subjective. All of it is based on your feelings at the time, unless you're going to tell me that you did some kind of statistical analysis. By the way, seeing as booze and fags are entirely legal, you will be aware that it is entirely a person's civil right as to how THEIR money is spent.

I don't want my tax going towards someone getting high/ off their face on crack.

So presumably you would advocate either random or blanket drug tests on anyone claiming JSA. Although as I've said several times, if you're so concerned we should also extend drug testing to pensioners, child benefit claimants and disabled people.

Lets see how the testing actually works in practice. The state of Florida ran with this idea for a period of 4 months in 2011:

http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-racial-justice/just-we-suspected-florida-saved-nothing-drug-testing-welfare

In summary:

4086 claimants were tested. 108 people were tested positive (2.6%). It cost the state $118,140 just to do the tests which was approx $45,000 more than any savings made by the scheme. These costs don't even include additional admin and staffing costs. 40 people refused to take a test but even assuming that they all tested positive the figures clearly don't paint a picture of a very effective system.

Admittedly, this is Florida. However, I highly doubt that the drug habits of UK citizens would vary significantly enough to suggest a wholly different outcome.

Also gives a bad rep for people who are on JSA and genuinely can't find a job and are trying to make ends meet.

What gives people bad rep is treating every JSA claimant as a potential drug user. Substance abuse is found in almost every social demograhic that you care to mention and studies show that the difference between employed and unemployed isn't significant. Yes, employed people would generally fund their habit via a wage but the point is to illustrate the futility of discriminating against a particular social group.

[Manu]

^^^ This. Nazperience.

[Bound]

Bound is back from his sabbatical !

Where have you been dude?

God knows.

How much hard drugs does OP think you can buy for £50 or £60 a week? Thats nothing.

[AXracing]

+1. Reminds me of WWII, when hitler decided to cut support for the handicapped, mentally challenged, and old people. Because they were "not contributing to society". For those who don't know your history about what he did with them to avoid the repercussions of that decision, do your research. OP and his chums have found the solution to save the British economy obviously, and you can tell they're not left winged as they did not suggest to implement a poor tax.

That is totally different. I don't how you can compare disabled people with people who simply choose not to work and rip every hard working tax payer off. The idea of job seekers was to provide a minimal living allowance until some one is able to get back on there feet. Some of the ideas in this thread are not half bad. Such as some how having some sort of credit system so it can only be spent on food and the like rather then beer or ilegal drugs is not without merit. Same is true for the idea of offering compulsory work placements. There is very much an attitude of many in the UK that they should not have to work and the state must look after them. This is unsustainable.

[Manu]

I'm not comparing this or that class of people. I am saying that discriminating one class of people based on their contribution to society or what is assumed as their contribution to society is one element of nazism.

Besides, what you're saying wouldn't work, some will trade their food vouchers for money or drugs, and not at the value that was printed on it. End result, another sub level of black marketing and labelling some people as lower class by giving them a money substitute. It is discriminatory to consider every person who is registered there as a drug addict, alcoholic, smoker, etc. What next, they're not allowed to wear branded clothes and should buy the cheapest white goods from argos purely because they should not buy what you decided they shouldn't buy? And cut the money off if they test positive on anything. Going way down in Layman's terms, it would end up being a little like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlBtlDj-ARE

Addicts will be addicts no matter what, and should be sent to rehab, period.

I've seen someone handing a subway footlong to a female tramp once. She spat in the guys face because all she wanted was money so she could get some wine. There is no lecturing some people about what the way they should spend their money. And if you think otherwise then the thread about the MPs expenses should be 14 pages long, featuring what you've done about it(signing petitions doesn't count). Oh wait there isn't such a thread, let's carry on bashing the lower class.

There is very much an attitude of many in the UK that they should not have to work and the state must look after them.

point taken. But that problem isn't particularly down to 100% of unemployed people. Wanna try another stereotype, like pram pushers who claim that being a mother is harder than working and they should be entitled to £25 a year for spawning the mini-mes of the future. See if you can sustain that one.