1.1 to vtr conversion Electrical issues loom ECU etc

[andyyy]

Okay so basically my mate has a vtr engine out of his car he isnt using and has said i can have it.

So i went round today to have a look at it and found out it was a single plug engine having done some research on this prior I was a bit put off by this...

But i have spent a little time looking a bit deeper into it and iv dug up some more information i would just like it to be confirmed by some one who knows better than me before i go ahead.

so here goes

ALL 3 PLUG LOOMS WORK TOGETHER 1.1 TO 1.6 AS LONG AS 8 VALVE ? - so i could use the loom out of my 1.1?

1.6 VTR WITH OLD SINGLE PLUG TYPE SENSORS WILL NEED CHANGING TO NEW ONES TO BE COMPATABLE WITH 3 PLUG ? - pretty sure of this

WOULD THE SENSORS OFF OF MY 1.1 3 PLUG ENGINE WORK/FIT IN THE VTR ENGINE? - any one done this before

I WOULD ALSO NEED A UNLOCKED/DECODED 3PLUG VTR ECU ? - definitely need this

All help and any more info on the subject will be greatly appreciated

[jayline]

the best thing to do mate is get and engine with the same loom pin as your car orginally! so like me i went for a single plug loom and engine as my car is a single plug! will save you so much hassle and takes 2 mins to change a loom! the ecu you get will have to be unlocked unless you get the ignition and key with it (i think) if you just get an unlocked ecu take out the imbolisser first as it will lock your new ecu (guide on here)

[carlsmith715]

if u have a 3 plug mk2 1.1 and wanting to fit a single plug mk1 vtr engine then i have the loom u need to fit the engine in ( 2000 w reg vtr crossover engine loom) it took me months to find it and payed £50 for it. Im after £30 posted and its urs

[burgin2011]

if u have a 3 plug mk2 1.1 and wanting to fit a single plug mk1 vtr engine then i have the loom u need to fit the engine in ( 2000 w reg vtr crossover engine loom) it took me months to find it and payed £50 for it. Im after £30 posted and its urs

Bargain!

[andyyy]

okay the thing is iv read that a 3 plug loom should work in it if i change the old type sensors to the new type and the ht pack to a grey plug one ,

what i really wanna know is will the sensors off the 1.1 fit the vtr engine

and would my ht(coil)pack work on the 1.6 cant see any reason for it not to

would be great if theres some one on here whos done this before ..

thanks for the help though guys

[saxova]

Not sure if a 1.1 coilpack or sensors are the same or not mate.

Only a few quid for sensors off here anyways :y:

[andyyy]

Okay Im not sure I put it clear enough bit confused my self tbh :-S

so ill try to make as clear as possible

Not cussing the splicing but id rather do it by swapping sensors etc

My car is a:

-106 1.1 3 plug version

What i have to go in it is:

-Saxo Vtr single plug engine - it has no loom or alternator ...

-a unlocked 3 plug VTR ecu

-a 3 plug loom - off the 1.1


I need to know:

- What sensors do i have to change on the VTR engine for it to work with the 3 plug loom and ecu

- Will the alternator off the 1.1 fit onto the VTR

- Will the coil pack off the 1.1 fit onto the VTR

[andyyy]

Not sure if a 1.1 coilpack or sensors are the same or not mate.

Only a few quid for sensors off here anyways :y:

Sorry mate didnt see you replied must of been whilst i was writing that essay :P

Okay so what sensors did you change when you did yours if you remember?

[andyyy]

:bump: BUMP :bump:

[andyyy]

anyone know what sensors you need to change on a 1 plug vtr engine for it to work on a 3 plug one ?

[andyyy]

bit of reasearch has turned up that you can use a 1.1 coilpack with the engine btw its a silver top 2000 reg so its in the cross over year if this helps with sensors i need to change

[saxova]

Was over a year ago now - things like TPS / blue + green temp sensors / injector relay loom / coilpack connector / alternator connection (i just cut the plug off - and connected a ring terminal on the end and it's worked flawlessly for over a year)

Will all be obvious once you've got the 1 plug engine in - just connect what you can - then will be able see which you need to change.

:y:

[andyyy]

Well im getting it in a about 3 / 4 hours :fcuk:
so ill know then i went to look at it the other day and the sensors looked pretty similar tbh so hopefully theyll be only a couple to change

And ill be using my original coil pack and alternator off the 1.1 so theyll deffo fit the loom

which pretty much just leaves the temp sensors crank and air sensor i think ?

[carlsmith715]

if you come across any problems i have the loom and the coil pack you need without changing any sensors at all just a plug and play loom makes it alot easier on you and stops all the questions and trials of which sensors to fit

sorry to post again on your thread but it just seems to me like your going the hard way about it

[andyyy]

if you come across any problems i have the loom and the coil pack you need without changing any sensors at all just a plug and play loom makes it alot easier on you and stops all the questions and trials of which sensors to fit

sorry to post again on your thread but it just seems to me like your going the hard way about it

Dont be sorry I appreciate everyones input :y:

Okay well once iv got the engine ill have a look at it, and make a decision on the best way to go ... I would prefer to do it with just the sensors because then its not a mix and match of different year stuff so if i ever wanted a new sensor for example i can go to motor factors and know it will be a mk2 type if you know what i mean.

Also would like to try using the 1.1 sensors because i already have them :P

If it turns out to be more hassle than its worth ill give up and get a conversion loom

[andyyy]

also another thing is i only have a unlocked 3 plug vtr ECU unless your loom is 3 plug to 1 plug engine to the bigger plug on the car type it will be the wrong one

[andyyy]

temperature sensors are generic between 1.1 and VTR as is the coil pack and iv already got the alternator covered (in fact the temp sensors are generic from 1.1 to vts/gti)

Cant seem to find much on the injector relay loom also don't know much about them anyone know if one off a 1.1 would work ok ?

[carlsmith715]

the loom i have took me months to source its from a 2000 mk2 w reg it has the single plug ecu and has the larger type plug behind the passenger headlight. Its what i used to put a mk1 vtr engine in my mk2 furio. If u change your mind just pm me i would be happy to help if i can.
Also just curious if u got 1.1 u wont have the dials to match vtr. Have u thought about changing the interior loom to match vtr so u have the rpm and water temp guages. Or would u be interested in some 52mm guages digital rpm and plasma water temp. Pm about anything if needed

[jeffchiz]

havent read all replys but simplest thing to do is fit vtr engine with the single plug ecu/loom and cut off the chassis multiplug connector and solder on your 1,1 connector people such as tom5190 can do this for you if you send him both looms he'll send you back a plug and play loom

[DUFC]

havent read all replys but simplest thing to do is fit vtr engine with the single plug ecu/loom and cut off the chassis multiplug connector and solder on your 1,1 connector people such as tom5190 can do this for you if you send him both looms he'll send you back a plug and play loom

This is exactly correct :y:

[andyyy]

havent read all replys but simplest thing to do is fit vtr engine with the single plug ecu/loom and cut off the chassis multiplug connector and solder on your 1,1 connector people such as tom5190 can do this for you if you send him both looms he'll send you back a plug and play loom

i dont have the single plug loom or a single plug ecu ... i have the engine now will put up picks tomoz after work and the 3plug loom is in the car which i need to get around so i cant send it off

[andyyy]

the loom i have took me months to source its from a 2000 mk2 w reg it has the single plug ecu and has the larger type plug behind the passenger headlight. Its what i used to put a mk1 vtr engine in my mk2 furio. If u change your mind just pm me i would be happy to help if i can.
Also just curious if u got 1.1 u wont have the dials to match vtr. Have u thought about changing the interior loom to match vtr so u have the rpm and water temp guages. Or would u be interested in some 52mm guages digital rpm and plasma water temp. Pm about anything if needed

Why wouldnt the rev counter work? :wacko:

As i got one in the 1.1 and surely if i were using a 3plug vtr ecu and my old 1.1 loom they would work

Not bothered about temp gauge as the car doesn't have one anyway only a over temp light

[andyyy]

have just come to my senses ... cant believe been so thick not to see how much easier it is to buy a conversion loom (why make life hard on yourself ehh?)

will hopefully get one off carlsmith715 if he hasnt got annoyed that i took so long to make up my mind

[carlsmith715]

i wouldnt get annoyed its been for sale for months now. When i got the loom everyone wanted one and know nobody wants it. Co insidence or what. Just pm'ed back anyways

[jayline]

havent read all replys but simplest thing to do is fit vtr engine with the single plug ecu/loom and cut off the chassis multiplug connector and solder on your 1,1 connector people such as tom5190 can do this for you if you send him both looms he'll send you back a plug and play loom

could tom sort out a rallye loom spliced into a saxo loom?

[carlsmith715]

does he need to get a loom spliced or will the crossover loom i have work?
just curios how much does it cost to get the looms spliced by tom?
plus he would have to buy two looms to get spliced as his car is a daily as he mentioned in previous posts.

[andyyy]

Ok so heres some photos

engine from top

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-J40V.jpg

did come with a loom just with the original plug to the car cut off

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-420H.jpg

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-MGIJ.jpg

the exhaust manifold i got with it - is it any good ? looks it and have been told its a good one (i know neither mean anything)

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-4ZSO.jpg

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-K474.jpg

[carlsmith715]

pics dont work for me

[andyyy]

pics dont work for me

Heres some links

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-J40V.html

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-420H.html

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-MGIJ.html

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-4ZSO.html

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-K474.html

[carlsmith715]

that looks like the silver top mk1 engine which i had this loom connected so it will fit your car spot on

[andyyy]

that looks like the silver top mk1 engine which i had this loom connected so it will fit your car spot on

It is mate so should fit ... touch wood

[carlsmith715]

no touching wood i bough that same and was told it was a mk2 engine
which is why i had to source this loom to get it running

[andyyy]

some phots of the engine in my car

from the top

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-5908.jpg

link : http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-5908.html

Plug connector

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-KXZT.jpg

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/dt-KXZT.jpg

ECU

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-BSBJ.jpg

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-BSBJ.html

[carlsmith715]

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc448/carlsmith715/06052012132.jpg
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc448/carlsmith715/06052012131.jpg
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc448/carlsmith715/06052012133.jpg

this is what you are buying just so you know

[andyyy]

no touching wood i bough that same and was told it was a mk2 engine
which is why i had to source this loom to get it running

yeahh i know but best to be safe :y:

[andyyy]

Looommkkks spott on to me matee , you throwing in the feul pump relay (plz say yes i need oneee)

[carlsmith715]

yep it is u know i actually bought like 4 looms looking for this one as people didnt even know what they was selling on this site at the time. but saying that that was why i ended up with a mk1 engine in first place though
but i will let you know as soon as i send it

that relay you on about the one under the ecu if so then yeas you will receive one and a spare as i dont have the saxo anymore so no need for parts

what colour is your saxo?

[andyyy]

yep it is u know i actually bought like 4 looms looking for this one as people didnt even know what they was selling on this site at the time. but saying that that was why i ended up with a mk1 engine in first place though
but i will let you know as soon as i send it

that relay you on about the one under the ecu if so then yeas you will receive one and a spare as i dont have the saxo anymore so no need for parts

what colour is your saxo?

yeah thats the feul pump relay

My pug is moonshine blue (silvery blue) or if your on about my old saxo it was white death trap that was i do miss her thoo

[carlsmith715]

you got any pics of your pug at minute or got a progress thread on it

[andyyy]

Not yet but i can put one up but its been lowered since new oe mirrors and bump strips have been back to blacked

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-66Y3.jpg


(http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-66Y3.jpg)

[andyyy]

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-66Y3.html

newer one lowered and new mirrors

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-7V0I.jpg

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-7V0I.html

My interior - seats need a clean

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-KWAN.jpg

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-KWAN.html

Dials - the clocks on the older ones

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-2MW4.jpg

http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-2MW4.html

What do you recon? Im going to put a gti body kit on it after the engine thoo

[carlsmith715]

look alryt man. I like the interior looks different to me. Dont put gti kit on it keep it flat arch and slam it on 14 inch alloys

[andyyy]

i want some alloys off a 306 but painted a darkish silver like on this

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/Greenpug/106%20GTi%202001/mini-mini-Picture026.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/Greenpug/106%20GTi%202001/mini-mini-Picture026.jpg

yeahh and i wanna make it lower im thinking about getting coilovers i want airbags but they cost too much

[andyyy]

unlocked single plug ecu arrived today and have sold the 3 plug one for more happy days :)

[carlsmith715]

just dont buy the cheap coilovers on ebay they are really bad apparently but you could pick some decent ones up off here when you get to 100 posts and can see for sale section

[andyyy]

just dont buy the cheap coilovers on ebay they are really bad apparently but you could pick some decent ones up off here when you get to 100 posts and can see for sale section

i better get posting more then

do you know any good names for them i can tell the one on ebay are crap they even look cheap

[carlsmith715]

gaz coilovers are suppose to be good but just pay a little more for them, as to me is one place of the car that shudnt be cheap as its what makes your handle and keep you on the road
but it does depend on how low you want to go to weather you need coilovers or just a lowering kit

[andyyy]

ill have a look into getting some after im done with the conversion

The loom arrived today and fits the big plug on my car so its the right one for my car thanks for that carl

my phone's broken so there wont be any photos for a while till i get a new one

im hoping to do the conversion not this weekend but next cause i got work this weekend

any advice on doing the conversion to help it go nice and smoothly

[andyyy]

Haven't been able to get online because have been ridiculously busy at work

Im hoping to start doing the engine conversion this weekend May even be able to start tomorrow moring :)

Does any one know of a guide preferably with pictures of the engine removal and refitting

What im planning on doing is
Take bonnet off

jack car up

take Drive shafts out and then unbolt gearbox

take off alternator all cooling hoses and air etc

unplug old loom

undo engine mounts

Lift engine out with forklift :)

and reverse to refit

[SEDDY_123]

has any1 got a crossover loom for sale thanks

[andyyy]

didnt use mine in the end so you can buy it if you like pm me