Car Crash Statistics...

[GolfJay]

Righto lads/ladettes. After watching THIS (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01nqccq/How_Safe_are_Britains_Roads_Episode_1/) programme, I started looking into crash statistics in the UK. We're constantly being told that to many people are dying on our roads. Now look at these statistics for 2011...

Bare in mind, several millions of people drive EVERY day...

Killed 1,901: When you consider how many people drive everyday, is 5 deaths a day alot? Really?

Seriously Injured 23,122: Again, when you consider just how many people drive everyday, is 63 serious injuries alot?

Now, to pin-point accidents.

Speeding
Around 430 people a year are killed in crashes in which someone exceeds the speed limit or drives too fast for the conditions.

Maybe i'm being totally senseless and stupid, I don't know. But, compared to the number of people on our roads, the number of accidents/injuries/deaths etc... seems to be a really good figure. I mean, there will ALWAYS be accidents.

Thoughts?

[Tommo87]

I reckon you're right.

Therefore going off these statistics our insurance should be a LOT cheaper.

[rey]

Our statistics are brilliant.

Especially compared with somewhere like India or Peru etc

[Cam]

5 deaths is alot.

[Bedford126]

Seems to be a lot more people die than that when you see our yard full of fatality related cars each week waiting for the csi's to come inspect them.
No matter what way you look at it one death is too many.

That's part and parcel of getting behind the wheel its a risk people take every day.

[GolfJay]

5 deaths is alot.

5 people out of the 10's of millions that drive daily? (I don't have exact figures of daily drivers :n:)

[jones91]

i completely agree too, there are always going to be accidents, and i always thought that this was one of the safest country's in europe and possibly the world to drive in.... i mean if you look at the driving attitude of people in other countries, they have no knowledge of any road safety and in general they are far more dangerous to drive on than roads over here

so basically yeah i think we have really good road safety figures here and the government are making a bit of a meal of it tbh

[blackie_2k5]

Some dude got killed in Sunderland last week

Was riding to work and got knocked off his bike.. Whilst swapping details with the bloke that hit him he got hit again and died of his injuries

[Cam]

5 people out of the 10's of millions that drive daily? (I don't have exact figures of daily drivers :n:)

Yer want to be next inline? Lol thought not :p

[blackie_2k5]

i completely agree too, there are always going to be accidents, and i always thought that this was one of the safest country's in europe and possibly the world to drive in.... i mean if you look at the driving attitude of people in other countries, they have no knowledge of any road safety and in general they are far more dangerous to drive on than roads over here

so basically yeah i think we have really good road safety figures here and the government are making a bit of a meal of it tbh

Sweden or Belgium is the safest, can remember which

They have zero deaths per year iirc

[Saxologist]

If someone crashes on the M25, it causes havoc. Any death is a terrible loss, as we have a 1/7.6m chance that could have been us, everyday.

[blackie_2k5]

This just reminds me of loads of other daft statistics

One being.. The chances of you getting struck by lightning are stupidly higher. Then the chances of you winning the lottery :p

[Zander123]

Out of date but interesting http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15975720

[Bean]

If one of them 5 was a family member/close friend I guarantee your opinion would be the opposite

[Toms112]

Watch from 0:30 in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moUChycJzIc

[rey]

If one of them 5 was a family member/close friend I guarantee your opinion would be the opposite

It has been a close friend before, it was very nearly my brother last year.

I still believe that for a population of nearly 67 million, 1901 deaths per year isn't that bad.

[Bean]

Same here, but I still think 5 is 5 too many

[12u55]

Saw a crash this morning on the a500. Women clipped the central grass verge, spun it, totalled her car. Hopped out fresh as a daisy. Not a dicky bird of a scratch.

[manic]

The problem is the human. we can program computers and they wont fail...... so lobg as the human input was correct.. so driving is the same if it was completely automatic it would be safer.
but with human input you will always get human error.
i agree 5 deaths is not alot considering the amount of driving wtch is done each day but still 5 could be 4 which is better but 0 is what we would like to see
take the human out and it could well be 0

Manic

[iVTR]

Problem is, with so called 'Accidents'

An accident is a genuine reason where shit hits the fan, like a mechanical failure or something completely unavoidable.

An 'Accident' where some old doddery bitch says 'Oh sorry I didn't see you' No love you didn't fucking look..

So many accidents could be prevented, I think our driving standards are pathetic - albeit much better than 3rd world countries (obviously)

/Rant

[AXracing]

Righto lads/ladettes. After watching THIS (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01nqccq/How_Safe_are_Britains_Roads_Episode_1/) programme, I started looking into crash statistics in the UK. We're constantly being told that to many people are dying on our roads. Now look at these statistics for 2011...

Bare in mind, several millions of people drive EVERY day...

Killed 1,901: When you consider how many people drive everyday, is 5 deaths a day alot? Really?

Seriously Injured 23,122: Again, when you consider just how many people drive everyday, is 63 serious injuries alot?

Now, to pin-point accidents.

Speeding
Around 430 people a year are killed in crashes in which someone exceeds the speed limit or drives too fast for the conditions.

Maybe i'm being totally senseless and stupid, I don't know. But, compared to the number of people on our roads, the number of accidents/injuries/deaths etc... seems to be a really good figure. I mean, there will ALWAYS be accidents.

Thoughts?

So say it is 10 mil cars on the road a day. Then you have a ~ 1 in 400 chance of being killed or Seriously injured a year! OR a ~ 1 in 40 chance every 10 years!!! Or say we all live to 100years old then 1 in 4 for us will be killed by a car! and over a quarter of all road deaths are due to speeding. Hmmm does not sound that safe to me. :panic:

[m4tt274]

if this is an insurance rant, its the number of serious injuries that brings it up, not so much the deaths. +the number of people claiming for shit like whiplash after a 5mph bump.
i think our roads are safe if im honest. doesn't worry me at all having to nip out.
though, if it was someone you knew, you would try and blame everything you could on someone else or some other factor. As already said, its mostly human error, there isnt much more that could be done to save lives imo given the culture we live in.

[12u55]

Think we should all drive like they do on autobahns. Not gonna lie, the Germans lane discipline is impeccable.

[Kirky]

5 people isn't that bad when you think about it

[ady_saxo]

Any idea on how many cars are written off each day in the UK?

[AXracing]

Think we should all drive like they do on autobahns. Not gonna lie, the Germans lane discipline is impeccable.

Same in france( on the big roads anyhow). But the UK is just to busy and there are to many idiots on the road for it to work.

[hard_corejoeboy]

I dont think there should be a theory test or even a driving test. I think you should havebto spend a mininum 100 hours behind the wheel.

I mean people pass their tests after 20 hours but are they really safe to drive off of a non urban post 9am road?

Think if you took them on a tight tight b road somewhere in scotland or wales they would be safe?

[AXracing]

I dont think there should be a theory test or even a driving test. I think you should havebto spend a mininum 100 hours behind the wheel.

I mean people pass their tests after 20 hours but are they really safe to drive off of a non urban post 9am road?

Think if you took them on a tight tight b road somewhere in scotland or wales they would be safe?

I think a test is still handy though do agree there are many people who pass and can not drive. A min hours as a new driver is not a bad plan. Also I think advanced driving should be part of all people training like in much of the EU.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Personally i think a skid pan should he used if there was some sort of test.
When i did my test 3 point turn was a major 'manoevre' in the test butbuts so billy basic.

How about black ice on a corner of a b road and what do you do?

Definately needs more common sense in the testing and twaching system than all the current bullsgit.

What also confuses me is how an old man can drive a car and a trailer even if hes never used one. Yet i can drive a class 2 lorry but not drive a car with trailer....

Bonkers!

[josh11490]

I dont think there should be a theory test or even a driving test. I think you should havebto spend a mininum 100 hours behind the wheel.

I mean people pass their tests after 20 hours but are they really safe to drive off of a non urban post 9am road?

Think if you took them on a tight tight b road somewhere in scotland or wales they would be safe?

It averages about 30-40 hours to pass your test. Some people will pass in less though.

But like in your other post about the skid pan training, I think that would be a good idea tbh, my dads a driving instructor and if he's teaching in the snow and ice and he thinks the person he is teaching is up for it he has been known to go to an empty car park an get them to hit the brakes, just so they get some kind of idea of how a car can react in the slippery conditions.

[iVTR]

I passed in 12 hours..

[josh11490]

I did forget to put in there some people are capable of passing in a smaller amount of hours, but the average is 30-40 hours.

[P_Connor]

I can see what your'e saying. Compare the figures to the amount of actual drivers in the UK, and it seems pretty small, however certain other people and organisations will have the same views as Bean, which is 5 is 5 too many. If that makes sense?

[hard_corejoeboy]

A lot of accidents i feel ate self prophesizee

People dont want to leave the correct space between them and the person in front as they feel that mr audi cock will cut in. So they leave a tiny gap and booom straight into back of the car in front. This as a truck driver is the most common accident i see.

Second.most common is lorry changing lanes same time as person in fast lane and booom. Lorry hasbused his mirrors but car has not checked their blind spot and a huge lorry has been hidden.

Funnil enough most of these accidents seem to be female caused and yet THEY have cheaper insurance.

[e8_pqck]

So say it is 10 mil cars on the road a day. Then you have a ~ 1 in 400 chance of being killed or Seriously injured a year! OR a ~ 1 in 40 chance every 10 years!!! Or say we all live to 100years old then 1 in 4 for us will be killed by a car! and over a quarter of all road deaths are due to speeding. Hmmm does not sound that safe to me. :panic:

Where did you go to school?

[AXracing]

Where did you go to school?

If you are talking about the maths according the statistics in the first post there are 25022 deaths or seriously injuries a year. So as I was doing the maths it in my head I rounded 25022 down to 25000. Then a bit further down the page 10 million road users a day was given. So if those 10000000 people drove every day for a year 1 in every 400 would be killed or seriously injured. So if they drove for 10 years it would be 1 in every 40. The last bit I said was a little wrong it should have read 1 in 4 would be killed or or seriously injuries. I mist the seriously injured part off my first post.

As I say this is just according to the statistics given in this thread and I did round it off to make it a bit simpler to work out. But I was just trying to point out that driving is actually very dangerous and people have to respect motor vehicles and the public highway. Even if the reality is actually not as bad as the statistics given in this thread they are still very bad.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Statistically you have 100% chance of dying.

[iVTR]

Statistically you have 100% chance of dying.


Well done that man.

:clapping:

When I first read that I was like chea right... o wait. :A:

:y:

[motocrossjord]

5 deaths a year is far to high!

Which is why i prefer bikes.

Oh wait?

[hard_corejoeboy]

5 deaths isnt that many. I'd wager the odds of tripping over and dying are higher..

[e8_pqck]

If you are talking about the maths according the statistics in the first post there are 25022 deaths or seriously injuries a year. So as I was doing the maths it in my head I rounded 25022 down to 25000. Then a bit further down the page 10 million road users a day was given. So if those 10000000 people drove every day for a year 1 in every 400 would be killed or seriously injured. So if they drove for 10 years it would be 1 in every 40. The last bit I said was a little wrong it should have read 1 in 4 would be killed or or seriously injuries. I mist the seriously injured part off my first post.

As I say this is just according to the statistics given in this thread and I did round it off to make it a bit simpler to work out. But I was just trying to point out that driving is actually very dangerous and people have to respect motor vehicles and the public highway. Even if the reality is actually not as bad as the statistics given in this thread they are still very bad.


(10,000,000 x 365) / 25000 = 146000

or 10,000,000 / (25000/365) = 146000

You have to convert the statistics using a common denominator so choose either years or days but dont divide a daily statistic with a yearly as you'll be off by a factor of 365.

Seriously, 1 in every 400 killed or seriously injured! lol

[AXracing]

(10,000,000 x 365) / 25000 = 146000

or 10,000,000 / (25000/365) = 146000

You have to convert the statistics using a common denominator so choose either years or days but dont divide a daily statistic with a yearly as you'll be off by a factor of 365.

Seriously, 1 in every 400 killed or seriously injured! lol

You are assuming you drive your car only one day a year. I suspect most drivers would use there vehicle most days.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Too many factors to give a proper odds

Time in car
Type of car
Etc
Etc
Etc

[e8_pqck]

It's not a question of "if those 10m people drive everyday" they do.

Because it's "10m people everyday". It's irrelevant wether you drive everyday or not, the odds are the same everytime you go out.

It's like buying a lottery ticket - everytime you buy one the odds are the same regardless. You don't increase your odds by playing more frequently as each play is independant.

The only way you can increase your odds of an accident is if you drive more than one car at the same time or buy two tickets. But in driving terms that is just silly.

[Tc24]

The only way you can increase your odds of an accident is if you drive more than one car at the same time

Sorry to derail the statistics debate, but I lol'd at the thought of trying to do that.

[Tc24]

Anyway, my interpretation of these stats:

10m road users every day with 5 fatalities > 5/10,000,000 chance of death on any given day

Assume you drive 300 days a year (won't take time/anything else into consideration) means you have 300 lots of 5/10,000,000 chance of dying during any given year which is 3/20,000

Assume you use the road network for 80 years, you have 80 lots of 3/20,000 chance of dying which gives 3/250 chance of dying, which means around 1 in 83 people would be EXPECTED to die on the roads.

Doesn't mean they will though, it's just the expected odds.

Been a while since I've done any stats.

[AXracing]

It's not a question of "if those 10m people drive everyday" they do.

Because it's "10m people everyday". It's irrelevant wether you drive everyday or not, the odds are the same everytime you go out.

It's like buying a lottery ticket - everytime you buy one the odds are the same regardless. You don't increase your odds by playing more frequently as each play is independant.

The only way you can increase your odds of an accident is if you drive more than one car at the same time or buy two tickets. But in driving terms that is just silly.

You are very much mistaken. Take Russian Roulette. If you have a stock 6 shot revolver with 1 round in it. You have a 1 in 6 chance of blowing your head off.

So what your saying is no matter how many times you play you still only have a 1 in 6 chance of blowing your head off.

However the reality is every time you play the game you have ever increasing odds of you blowing your head off. Just like every time you play the loto you increase the odds of you winning.

[blackie_2k5]

lets just say..


the nonce next door with 5 years to live... and a big nose.. will win the lottery (still wont get his dick wet)

if you dont watch where you're going..you'll be next

and if you read too much maths..your cock will fall off and you'll go blind :y:

[Wee_monkey1987]

its because we live in an american-ised society where you must be wrapped in cotton wall before you do the most simplest of tasks without harming yourself or others trouble is if we all lived like that then nothing would get done, and you'd spend a lifetime filling out "risk assessment" forms but you may live longer unless the press has come out with some new radial bullshit about having a raspberry tart at work suddenly causing cancer but then the government will complain you can't have a pension at the end of it because we've spent it all on filling out pages and pages on elf and safety rules for things to look out for around your house like taking a shower - seems pretty ironic really

sorry rant over, just depresses me how like america we're becoming!

[hard_corejoeboy]

Agree.

Bring back the empire. Slaves can do my work for me!

Damn that sounds good :)

[e8_pqck]

You are very much mistaken. Take Russian Roulette. If you have a stock 6 shot revolver with 1 round in it. You have a 1 in 6 chance of blowing your head off.

So what your saying is no matter how many times you play you still only have a 1 in 6 chance of blowing your head off.

However the reality is every time you play the game you have ever increasing odds of you blowing your head off. Just like every time you play the loto you increase the odds of you winning.

You are getting mixed up with odds and probability. The odds in Russian roulette stay the same unless you use more bullets or a gun with a bigger chamber, but you are twice as likely to die if you play twice as opposed to once and so on.

Like buying a lottery ticket, you have the same odds as some one who has played everyday to someone who plays for the first time. However if you buy a ticket to last 5 games you have a better probability that you will win but the odds remain the same for each game you play.

Hope that makes sense.

[AXracing]

You are getting mixed up with odds and probability. The odds in Russian roulette stay the same unless you use more bullets or a gun with a bigger chamber, but you are twice as likely to die if you play twice as opposed to once and so on.

Like buying a lottery ticket, you have the same odds as some one who has played everyday to someone who plays for the first time. However if you buy a ticket to last 5 games you have a better probability that you will win but the odds remain the same for each game you play.

Hope that makes sense.

You are still getting your self a bit confused. I will simplify it a bit to try and show you.

Lets take a 2 shot revolver and 1 bullet. You play the game once and you have two outcomes.

Outcome 1 you live
Outcome 2 you die

So the odds are 1 to 1 and the probability is 1 in 2. Probability and odds are the same thing described in a different form.

So lets say we now play the game twice. There are now more ways the game would play.

Outcome 1 Game 1 you live, Game 2 you live. Over all outcome you live
Outcome 2 Game 1 you live, Game 2 you die. Over all outcome you die
Outcome 3 Game 1 you die. Over all outcome you die

The odds them become 3:1 you will die and the probability becomes 3 in 4

Play the game 3 times and the odds of you being killed are 7:1 and the probability is 7 in 8

So you see the more you play the game the more the odds stack against you. Same is true when you drive. The more you drive the greater the odds you will die in a car crash.