Advice for carbing my vtr

[Bean]

Hi all, I have been toying with the idea of putting R1 carbs on my car! Purely for the noise they make and a small power increase if possible, I have sourced the carbs 1999 Yamaha R1 carbs (spare off my race bike) an I just need some light shining of what exactly I would need where to get it from and where to take it for set up, plus a guidance price for everything too! I have been given a price for my inlet manifold off "bogg brothers" at £180 plus vat, I know I will need a fpr but where would I get the correct one? Also where to get it all set up? Preferably in the midlands, as much help as you guys can give me would be great,

Thanks guys

[welshpug]

my advice, don't do it.

save up and do it properly with throttle bodies and an ecu.

[Bean]

Why what's the difference?

[Bedford126]

Better economy from throttle biddies than carbs. Also more people can set up tb's than carbs. Also badly set up carbs will never get through a mot.

[atspeedracing]

we can tune bike carbs. they are not cheap to calibrate properly.

- colin.

[Bean]

Pm me a price if you could please Colin

[f13sta]

Hmmm strange how people go straight to the don't do it go TB's yes they are better but the cost a lot more. We in the old Skool ford world commonly bike carb Zetec engines. They are not hard or expensive to set up if you know where to go ;).

Also the fpr you either want a facet pump with the regulator. Or the bike fuel pump should have a fpr built in.

I know on a Zetec engine the most common set up for ignition is mega jolt and using the original edis system. I believe there is a conversion for the saxo to go to ford coil pack? I'd recomend looking into that and using the std crank pick up.

There are also places to get inlets done a lot cheaper than bogg bros also. I know a guy or makes them for around £130 and they are top quality. But if your handy with a welder then you can make your own.
I've toyed with this idea on mine once the camed vtr engine goes in.

[Bean]

Hmmm strange how people go straight to the don't do it go TB's yes they are better but the cost a lot more. We in the old Skool ford world commonly bike carb Zetec engines. They are not hard or expensive to set up if you know where to go ;).

Also the fpr you either want a facet pump with the regulator. Or the bike fuel pump should have a fpr built in.

I know on a Zetec engine the most common set up for ignition is mega jolt and using the original edis system. I believe there is a conversion for the saxo to go to ford coil pack? I'd recomend looking into that and using the std crank pick up.

There are also places to get inlets done a lot cheaper than bogg bros also. I know a guy or makes them for around £130 and they are top quality. But if your handy with a welder then you can make your own.
I've toyed with this idea on mine once the camed vtr engine goes in.

Thanks mate, the sort of answer I was after! See a lot of that sounds foreign to me haha! I jus want to know exactly what I need and how to go about doing it, an also by being cost effective, pm details about the guy you know thy makes them. Thanks mate

[Ryan]

The mot is the major issue for many.

Old fords this isn't an issue due to being older than 1993 registered.

A decent tb set up isn't as expensive these days either.

[AlexB]

payed 500 quid for my itbs with inlet manifold throttle linkage injectors the lot just literally bolt on and make fuel lines

ok yes you need some form of ecu to run them but you do on bike carbs too

and also a lot of people still say bike carbs when the bike they lifted them off came out of the facotry with in fact itbs hiding away under its tank

but in short id go itbs over carbs unless you have a very friendly mot tester

[axsaxoman]

there are NO technical advantages of carbs of any kind over t/b,s --just lots of downsides

[Bean]

Okay so say I was to go the itb route, what would I need exactly?

[welshpug]

Depends which route you go.

Jenvey, Bike body, or anything else.

[atspeedracing]

as above ^^

some kits are able to use existing fuel rail, throttle cable etc.

others are very much retro fit, modification to fuel lines, throttle cable etc.

some come as complete packages, others you have to choose what you do/dont want.

but basically, you require (apart from the obvious hardware)

a way of driving the throttles,
a way of getting fuel to the fuel rail (at correct pressure)
a way of reading throttle position
and a method of controlling the ignition/fuel i.e. engine management.

- colin.

[m4tt274]

almsot every classic ford these days runs on bike carbs! i cant believe people dont want to use them, they are great! Unlike the old webber DCOE's you dont have to set them up often at all. Tune them and leave them. think how many mk1 fiesta's and escorts etc you see running £2500 worth of jenvys and then how many you see running 40/45s or Bike carbs. there is a reason for this. . .
personally however, i too will agree with the masses. Ignore the carbs, but also, ignorethe TBs i dont think the gains will justify the cost of either. Carbs arent as good as injection, its outdated technology. They sounds awesome and are fun, but are best used for exactly that, abit of fun, not for a daily or practicality.

[welshpug]

naah, almost every ford I see has a Vauxhall lump and big jenveys ;)

Jenveys are nowhere near £2.5k you'll get the whole lot, manifold loom and all and mapped for that, maybe even fitted.