supersprint or piper manifold ??

[Mondo_91]

hi all i'v got a vtr with a 4-1 piper manifold and straight through supersprint exhaust and i've been offered a supersprint 4-2-1 manifold i was just wondering will the ss manifold make any change to how the exhaust sounds? because i want the exhaust to be louder and with a little more rasp so will the ss manifold help? any advice would be great cheers :y:

[dolby20]

So I've heard yes
4-2-1 produces more rasp and better low to mid range power
4-1 produces deeper tone and better mid to high range power

I have a piper 4-1, with a piper system with one silencer
With that I get:
No rasp
No pops/bangs
No flames
Deep tone
Nice burble on idle - not rasp/tinny
Good pickup, but better power after 2.5k RPM

All this may be placebo effect of it being louder
That's my two pence worth!

[Mondo_91]

^^^ thats great mate thanks i think i'll invest in a supersprint then :y:

[W343NNA]

dont really understand why you would swap a really well built manifold for a much inferior quality supersprint for the sound, gains may be differnt iv found from swapping my supersprint to a piper, that it seems more snappy hire up the rev range than before and sounds deeper than the

But 100% the piper is far better made imo

[W343NNA]

Ill happily swap you my supersprint for your piper

[Mondo_91]

becuase i've been offered a supersprint manifold cheap so i'm going to fit it see if it makes a difference if it sounds worse or i'm not 100% happy i'll put the piper back on

[dolby20]

Can't comment on reliability/build quality of Supersprint as everything exhaust based I own is Piper
But for that reason, I have no faults with my Piper system - fit perfect, sits perfect, no leaks/blowing issues, no rust (stainless throughout) so - Happy Days with the Piper :D

[W343NNA]

fair enough just a rough idea of build difference Not sure what mani it is in this picture next to the piper tho

Piper on the left

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u216/sam4412/Snapbucket/F55B9A33-orig.jpg

[KamRacing]

give us a hint. A 4-2-1 has to have more welding and joins simply due to the design. Whats inferior? They certainly make similar power.

[W343NNA]

give us a hint. A 4-2-1 has to have more welding and joins simply due to the design. Whats inferior? They certainly make similar power.

Inferior quality IN MY OPINION. Why is everyone soon to jump on the defence train

Stick a piper 4-1 infront of anyone and any 421 mani iv seen, and you would have to be stupid to say that the piper wasnt far better constructed as in its feel the thickness of the materials the bulky flanges

all in all IN MY OPINION... again its far better in its structural integrity

But also overpriced from new

[dolby20]

But also overpriced from new

Don't say that!
I bought all my piper parts new from Kam ;)

[W343NNA]

Don't say that!
I bought all my piper parts new from Kam ;)

I dont no cams prices, But when i bought my piper mani it was like £300 + on ebay, i didnt pay that tho lol

But worth every penny certainly going to outlast the supersprint/racland / whatever i bought originaly

dont get me wrong i rate the supersprint / racland,

BUT my PERSONAL preference is the piper all day!

Same with there systems, so well made as you stated!

Fuck me just seen the price of the supersprint oh dear


Dream on!

Incl. Tax: £425.46

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/u/supersprint-801101_1.jpg

[Bedford126]

Inferior quality IN MY OPINION. Why is everyone soon to jump on the defence train

Stick a piper 4-1 infront of anyone and any 421 mani iv seen, and you would have to be stupid to say that the piper wasnt far better constructed as in its feel the thickness of the materials the bulky flanges

all in all IN MY OPINION... again its far better in its structural integrity

But also overpriced from new

In what way does thicker material make it better quality? It just makes the metal retain heat longer and be prone to stress due to the weight on the welds.

In my opinion the piper is the inferior quality item as I have had to weld more piper exhausts on the welded joints due to stress fractures.

Also the "supersprint" in your picture is actually a raceland so is a cheap replica. Have a look at a proper supersprint then give your opinion on what the best quality is.

[Prickle]

Sam, shop around you can have new Supersprint mani for £354 ;)

Quality is really good, what you talking about???

http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/66585_4761586444425_746175754_n.jpg

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/598779_4761520082766_518246727_n.jpg

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/398336_4804201069764_1429565997_n.jpg

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/14385_10200125693971938_1830501312_n.jpg

knash knash... ;)

[Bedford126]

Get rid of that air pump John it looks gash in your bay. Any one who says supersprits are bad quality have obviously never seen or inspected one.

[Prickle]

Thats just my 2p Bedford. Obviously Piper are good too but to say Supersprint manifolds are poor quality is just lol worthy that is all.

Fair enough for the likes of Raceland, Sportex, Toyosport and so on...

[Sophia_Bush]

have had both on the vtr fitted myself prefer the supersprint over the piper being honest

[KamRacing]

Sam, shop around you can have new Supersprint mani for £354 ;)

Quality is really good, what you talking about???



I didnt look hard at that picture but its not a Supersprint. That would be why the quality is poor! The Raceland was so poor in quality it was like it was welded by blind Chinese children. Made on the cheap in Asia with little regard for quality. Thin metal, poor welding, no finishing off, warped flanges etc. But they were cheap so everybody wanted them. Due to copying Supersprints design by 95% they made good power, but not as much as proper Supersprints


Our site is RRP. If people want a deal on Supersprint then give us a ring. We are the only people who hold stock. Every other seller has to buy from us anyway so its win win all round :D

Kev

[Kirky]

Supersprint ftw with piper back box :D

[m4tt274]

neither are bad manifolds tbf. considering the gains to be had in comparison to the other manifolds, and the prices of other manifolds im not sure if i personally would buy a piper new, but if your willing to fork out they are subject to opinion the best.
i picked up a new toyosport 4/2/1 new off ebay once for £45 and though the quality wasnt best it did 20,000 miles without fault, fitted to a kam system perfectly and sounded better truthfully than any other manifold ive had.
i swapped to a raceland and saxsport and immediately noticed the throttle response around 4k wasnt as snappy and it felt slower.

[nobbyvts]

I didnt look hard at that picture but its not a Supersprint. That would be why the quality is poor! The Raceland was so poor in quality it was like it was welded by blind Chinese children. Made on the cheap in Asia with little regard for quality. Thin metal, poor welding, no finishing off, warped flanges etc. But they were cheap so everybody wanted them. Due to copying Supersprints design by 95% they made good power, but not as much as proper Supersprints


Our site is RRP. If people want a deal on Supersprint then give us a ring. We are the only people who hold stock. Every other seller has to buy from us anyway so its win win all round :D

Kev

Whats the best price on a supersprint manifold from you then?

[nobbyvts]

Sam, shop around you can have new Supersprint mani for £354 ;)

Quality is really good, what you talking about???

http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/66585_4761586444425_746175754_n.jpg

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/598779_4761520082766_518246727_n.jpg

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/398336_4804201069764_1429565997_n.jpg

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/14385_10200125693971938_1830501312_n.jpg

knash knash... ;)

Where did you buy the manifold from mate?

[KamRacing]

Whats the best price on a supersprint manifold from you then?

For Saxp I can do a deal for £340 + delivery.

Kev

[Monkgti]

thats £130 down from the marked price? :)

[chris205]

From personal experience my supersprint 16v manifold I fitted to my gti made a massive difference, much more than other stainless manifolds on the market.

Comparing a piper to a supersprint for performance differences just goes back to the old 4-2-1 vs 4-1 and which is best.

Personally I'd have either, I feel the quality of both piper and supersprint is much more superior to the other cheap shit on offer. I'm not sure why people bother with that toyosport crap, built in a chinese sweat shop somewhere in england and nothing ever fits, I've got 4 mates who were tight arses and bought toyosport, all of them had to be modified to fit their particular vehicles, none of them were saxos either.

[KamRacing]

thats £130 down from the marked price? :)

Indeed. Lets just say its not going to make me rich quick lol

[KamRacing]

From personal experience my supersprint 16v manifold I fitted to my gti made a massive difference, much more than other stainless manifolds on the market.

Comparing a piper to a supersprint for performance differences just goes back to the old 4-2-1 vs 4-1 and which is best.


It doesn't go that far. Look at how these are designed. They are all able to fit to the standard exhaust system. This means both are compromised in design.
The 4-1 or 4-2-1 is more a packaging solution than about outright performance.
A full custom manifold would get better gains but would cost a lot, especially as you would need a custom exhaust to match.

Currently from what we have seen from other people testing. The Supersprint is top dog for performance on the 16v engine.

[Prickle]

Where did you buy the manifold from mate?

From MSW with discount from another forum.

Id just take Kams offer. Only reason i didnt because i didnt think he would go that low.

I couldnt fork out kams asking price for a manifold and i knew i could get it cheaper else where if i looked hard enough.

(not knocking Kamracing btw, i bought a Supersprint centre section and backbox off them in past).

Just saying.

[KamRacing]

Only reason i didnt because i didnt think he would go that low.


People for some reason never come to us and quote other peoples prices or ask us to price match. If we can we will.

Kev

[WestyVTR]

Nice offer from kam,

Stainless cracks, I had a mild steal 4-1 on my vtr from gmc, straight through exhaust, pops and bangs o'clock. :A:

[KamRacing]

Thin stainless cracks...
I really don't think Piper and Supersprint have this issue.

[DJVTR]

I have just fitted my supersprint 4-2-1 and to be honest there is no noticeable difference in performance but ssounds awesome !

[Prickle]

People for some reason never come to us and quote other peoples prices or ask us to price match. If we can we will.

Kev

Fair enough and i'll ask next time im after something.

[axsaxoman]

I can supply the piper 4-1 for the vts @£290+vat=£348--piper price £422.40
or my own btb mild steel 4-1 for the vtr @ £100+vat =£120 --
while i have stock --thats less than cost
yes its for the black top ,but relocate oil filter if you have a later type --its still the cheapest way