Overrated cars - Take 2!

[Ross]

Rather obviously following on from the "underrated cars" thread, I thought it would be interesting to see what people consider to be overrated cars.

Thoughts? And yes - we all know the Saxo is overrated before the comedy genius chips in... ;)

[wadoryu]

corsa VXR's
wasnt impressed tbh

[W103_A5H]

BMWs are overrated IMO. I just don't see why people think they are so special. Yes I have been in one etc but they just doesn't do it for me. The only ever decent bwm made was the E30 M3.

[Viper]

Turbo Saxos

[Ross]

corsa VXR's
wasnt impressed tbh

Funny you should say that - that is my first choice.
Astra Coupe turbo too - test drove one when they were fresh (IE I test drove a 02 plate car in 2002) and I think I insulted the Vauxhall sales rep when he asked me what I thought and the first word out my mouth was "slow". lol.

[Tommo87]

BMWs are overrated IMO. I just don't see why people think they are so special. Yes I have been in one etc but they just doesn't do it for me. The only ever decent bwm made was the E30 M3.

Sorry what, I'm guessing they were peasant spec that you went in. Go for a ride in an M5 or a new 7 series Li (just for the space) then compare an old and not exactly fast or well equipped E30.

[Jizanthapus]

God Ross, use the damn search button before you post a new thread.

Thought you would know better...

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=439399&highlight=rated+cars

[Ross]

God Ross, use the damn search button before you post a new thread.

Thought you would know better...

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=439399&highlight=rated+cars

lol how the hell did I forget about that thread...

We'll call this "mk2" and hope it keeps going ;)

[Jizanthapus]

lol how the hell did I forget about that thread...

We'll call this "mk2" and hope it keeps going ;)

haha got ya! :hug:

[welshpug]

is there and underrated car thread?

[Jazz]

BMWs are overrated IMO. I just don't see why people think they are so special. Yes I have been in one etc but they just doesn't do it for me. The only ever decent bwm made was the E30 M3.

Today's funniest post :y:

[gaz4399]

fiesta ST, in stock form pretty poor

[Tom5190]

Leon Cupra K1 disapointed me

[Nik_L]

Funny you should say that - that is my first choice.
Astra Coupe turbo too - test drove one when they were fresh (IE I test drove a 02 plate car in 2002) and I think I insulted the Vauxhall sales rep when he asked me what I thought and the first word out my mouth was "slow". lol.

But how can the ACT be over-rated when its not a car that was raved about upon release, and to this day, its not a car thats known to be fast in standard form??

[TomT]

Redtop Corsas

[Jay_]

wrong thread...

[Jazz]

But how can the ACT be over-rated when its not a car that was raved about upon release, and to this day, its not a car thats known to be fast in standard form??

Ah the Mig Representative has arrived ;)

[Nik_L]

Just doing my bit lol.

I would actually agree with Ross, if infact the ACT was a car that gets raved about, but its not. Simply because its not a brilliant car in standard form and many, if not all, owners would agree with that. Even the GSi is pretty shit in standard form.

[blackie_2k5]

Pretty much every modern day ford

[dondan]

EP3 Type R.

Other than the engine, I found it to be massively overrated.

[Aly]

Astra GSI Turbo.
Got took out in a Stage 1 and was expecting it to be a lot faster than it was.

[Ashleyp]

A lot of honda's

I enjoy the Ep3, and i've never been in a teg so can't say about that.

for me though - A lot of them are overpriced (perhaps not over-rated) although the two kind of link together.


Fiesta ST's too. or zetec S, or pumas - most fords to be fair, not bad cars but not that quick or even good...

[AlexR]

Joes mum is overrated.

[Nik_L]

Hmm im on the bench with the DC2. Out the box, they handle extremely well. The cars limits exceed most drivers limit. You can push and push and they still stay planted. But they are not quick in a straight line.

I would say they are over-rated in the sense they are not fast for a car with around 190bhp.

[Ross]

Focus st also raved about and in fact are only moderately brisk and drink fuel like no tomorrow.

[Ryan]

EP3 Type R.

Other than the engine, I found it to be massively overrated.

+1. Test drove the van and was massively underwhelmed by it.

[Ashleyp]

Focus st also raved about and in fact are only moderately brisk and drink fuel like no tomorrow.

A mate of mine had one last year. it was alright, a nice car to be in and not slow (although I think it had work done to it). but he's one of the most economical (slow) drivers I know, and it never got to more than 25mpg, even when we used to be on the motorway... for sub 30MPG, i'd want more of a car...

[TomT]

A mate of mine had one last year. it was alright, a nice car to be in and not slow (although I think it had work done to it). but he's one of the most economical (slow) drivers I know, and it never got to more than 25mpg, even when we used to be on the motorway... for sub 30MPG, i'd want more of a car...

Slow doesn't always equal economical.

Doesn't seem that bad though my friends e46 325 barely does 25 mpg.

[L33h]

Corsa VXR
Focus and Fiesta ST

[Sandy309]

Slow doesn't always equal economical.

Doesn't seem that bad though my friends e46 325 barely does 25 mpg.

The 330 seems better; I get over 30 out of mine all the time.

My overrated car is the Clio 172. I was expecting magic and got none. Fun at times, but classic FWD handling? NFW

[Jazz]

Hmm im on the bench with the DC2. Out the box, they handle extremely well. The cars limits exceed most drivers limit. You can push and push and they still stay planted. But they are not quick in a straight line.

I would say they are over-rated in the sense they are not fast for a car with around 190bhp.

Dearest Nik, what have you been smoking lately?

The DC2 is an amazing machine, period. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know what time it is.

I'm also tempted to launch to the defence of the EP3, but I'm currently in a fancy restaurant about to eat a curry, so the haters are spared for this evening :P

[Mochachino]

In defense for the DC2, its not well known for being fast, but for having a sweet chassis out of the box! You are right though, they take a lot for a drivers capability to exceeds the cars capability.

It took me a good few months to find its sweet spot when on certain corners and roundabouts, being able to tease the throttle and be on the edge. I couldnt drive like that on a new road or a road ive bee on many times, I can go down it at what I would calss as fast, but it always felt like you could go faster, I was willing to take it that far. On the same particular road you can get to the saxo's limit everytime and have it dialled, but the limit on a saxo isnt that far away lol

[Mochachino]

Fiesta ST and Zetec S are massively overrated imo.

Audi TTs apart from the TTRS.

[rey]

EP3's are over rated by the VTEC bandwagon bummers.

IMO, they're good fun to drive, overly hyped by people that think VTEC is the greatest mechanism invented because of the extra noise and kick it gives. The brakes and steering feel aren't the greatest I've experienced personally, but definitely usable day to day without any issue.

However, the engine and gearbox combo are one of the sweetest I've had the pleasure of using.

[Mochachino]

EP3's are over rated by the VTEC bandwagon bummers.

IMO, they're good fun to drive, overly hyped by people that think VTEC is the greatest mechanism invented because of the extra noise and kick it gives. The brakes and steering feel aren't the greatest I've experienced personally, but definitely usable day to day without any issue.

However, the engine and gearbox combo are one of the sweetest I've had the pleasure of using.

Yeh the K engines and gearboxes are perfect matches. My current K24 has the 6 speed box and its great.

I dont think EP3 Type Rs are over rated, but instead they are over hyped.

[rey]

Yeh the K engines and gearboxes are perfect matches. My current K24 has the 6 speed box and its great.

I dont think EP3 Type Rs are over rated, but instead they are over hyped.

Whoops! Thought I'd written hyped.

Either way its a bit of both IMO

[Ashleyp]

Slow doesn't always equal economical.

Doesn't seem that bad though my friends e46 325 barely does 25 mpg.

I never said it did.

Yeh the K engines and gearboxes are perfect matches. My current K24 has the 6 speed box and its great.

I dont think EP3 Type Rs are over rated, but instead they are over hyped.

Whoops! Thought I'd written hyped.

Either way its a bit of both IMO

I don't think EP3's are overhyped. You could argue the same for the clio 1*2's.

both probably the best sub £5k hatchbacks at the minute in terms of all round performance / styling / practicality / drivability

[Ashleyp]

I'd also say golf's / older audi's are over-rated

Golf - it has that brand image, so even when they release a bad example of the car (specifically the GTi) people assume it's great even when it's equal in comparison to rivals. Having said that, they are decent cars - I like the mk5 / mk6 GTi

Older audi's - early to mid 2000ish models are fairly basic. the build quality is there, but the cabin is really basic on a lot of models even though they're aimed at a slightly upper end / classier market. my '97 bimmer is more advanced in terms of cabin comfort. I don't see older Audi's as much better than a bora / passat / octavia - good cars, but not as good as percieved.

newer audis are in a different league though, I'm not a big fan but undeniably the styling / interior etc is far far improved.

[KamRacing]

The 330 seems better; I get over 30 out of mine all the time.

My overrated car is the Clio 172. I was expecting magic and got none. Fun at times, but classic FWD handling? NFW

I agree on that one. My 172 made a great everyday road car, it was capable and rapid, but its a little too clinical, surefooted and lacks an eagerness to corner or accelerate fast.

Clio Williams is still the one to have.

[Jazz]

Clio Williams is still the one to have.

Seems to be the general consensus by those who have owned both.

The Williams was always going to be a tough act to follow.

[KamRacing]

newer audis are in a different league though, I'm not a big fan but undeniably the styling / interior etc is far far improved.

I hate my Audi A4 as a drivers car. It torque steers like crazy and lacks great traction as the power overloads the front tyres easily.

Granted though they do have a nice finish to the interior. I've got a fantastic Bose subwoofer built in. Its a great mile muncher and workhorse but I'd certainly rather have a BMW out of choice even if they are not as practical for space.

[griff_106]

Fiesta ST - I hate the fuckers with a passion. A car that can't keep up with a decent GTi/VTS that is alot older is just a waste of money IMO. They're just too boring for me as well.

/rant :p haha

[rey]

I don't think EP3's are overhyped. You could argue the same for the clio 1*2's.

both probably the best sub £5k hatchbacks at the minute in terms of all round performance / styling / practicality / drivability

In terms of being over hyped I'd say there on a level par depending on who is going on about them..

I think they're good cars, don't get me wrong, but all the VTEC YO!!!!11 shit that goes with it from fanboys does my head in.

Also, 1*2's really don't deserve the hype that comes with them either IMO

[Jazz]

I really enjoyed my EP3, I totally rate it as a hot hatch. I bought mine having just sold my STi and even then I absolutely loved it.

Wasn't as good as my old Accord Type R but then I bought it knowing it wouldn't be, so I wasn't disappointed.

[tweeqd]

i had a mk5 fiesta zetec S for a week or so and that was painfull slow
but one of the worst cars ive ever driven was a mk1 V6 clio, awfull awfull cars

[dondan]

i had a mk5 fiesta zetec S for a week or so and that was painfull slow
but one of the worst cars ive ever driven was a mk1 V6 clio, awfull awfull cars

It must have either been a dog of a mk5, or you had unrealistic expectations of 100bhp in a mildly warm chassis.

You should try the mk6 ZS, now that's slooooooooow.

[tweeqd]

i only bought it to sell on and make money on, it only had 40k on it and a full miltek exhaust but driving mercs all day and having my ax as a toy most cars feel slow to me, im bored of my E class but it will still blow a vts away

[Brettles1986]

Any car Hardcore_Blow_Job owns

[tweeqd]

dont get me started on that prick

[Ashleyp]

Any car Hardcore_Blow_Job owns

Twingo's aren't that bad, did you know they're only 3 seconds slower than a 200 round rockingham? (quote; hardcoreblowjob, 2012)

[Brettles1986]

Twingo's aren't that bad, did you know they're only 3 seconds slower than a 200 round rockingham? (quote; hardcoreblowjob, 2012)

Ah right "utter bullshit" (brettles1986, 2012)

[Simon0014]

Twingo's aren't that bad, did you know they're only 3 seconds slower than a 200 round rockingham? (quote; hardcoreblowjob, 2012)

Was about to say what fucking moron gave you that information...then saw the white text all made sense...

[Nik_L]

Dearest Nik, what have you been smoking lately?

The DC2 is an amazing machine, period. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know what time it is.

I'm also tempted to launch to the defence of the EP3, but I'm currently in a fancy restaurant about to eat a curry, so the haters are spared for this evening :P

Im just talking from experience here. They are unbelievable in the corners, but lack the straight line punch to back it up. Around knockhill, they scrub alot of time off in the corners, but along the straights they lose it. Up the pit straight they look terribly slow.

1/4 mile times are the same as that of say an XE Corsa. High 14s. Both cars weigh the same, yet the Corsa has about 40bhp less. On the road, against my mates old DC2, to both me and my mates amazement, my old XE Corsa shat on it.

But i do agree, they are brilliant cars. Hell i even sold my 313bhp Gti-R to buy a DC2 but couldn't bring myself to do it knowing how much they lacked in the pace department.

[Ross]

Thoughts on the newer r32's? I like em (looks, noise) but worth the money/hype??

[dondan]

i only bought it to sell on and make money on, it only had 40k on it and a full miltek exhaust but driving mercs all day and having my ax as a toy most cars feel slow to me, im bored of my E class but it will still blow a vts away

Compared to an AXVTS they are incredibly lethargic, I'm not surprised it felt slow lol.

[Jazz]

1/4 mile times are the same as that of say an XE Corsa. High 14s. Both cars weigh the same, yet the Corsa has about 40bhp less. On the road, against my mates old DC2, to both me and my mates amazement, my old XE Corsa shat on it.
.

Now you're comparing a standard factory car with a modified car with an engine swap. Not a good comparison. Little surprise if the crisp packet is going to be nippier. DC2 is around 1100kgs, a corsa c should be a bit lighter iirc.

DC2s were never known as sprinters but that's ok, their strengths lie elsewhere. As we've already discussed, some fast cars are a bit poo. Some slower cars are actually good.

[Nik_L]

I was comparing them on power and the figures on paper. The figures on paper make them look like a quicker car than what they are.

Corsa B with C20XE will weigh around the same as a DC2.

[Jazz]

Corsa B with C20XE will weigh around the same as a DC2.

Corsa B?! They do not weigh the same man...

UK DC2 weighs in at just over 1100kgs, JDM spec 1060kilos in its lightest form.

A Corsa B weighs around 860kilos, XE in there would push that to what, just over 900ish?

Either way there is over 100 kilos between them.

[gazza808]

Corsa B?! They do not weigh the same man...

UK DC2 weighs in at just over 1100kgs, JDM spec 1060kilos in its lightest form.

A Corsa B weighs around 860kilos, XE in there would push that to what, just over 900ish?

Either way there is over 100 kilos between them.

Lmao at your corsa weights.
My xe corsa with two bucket seats came in at 1050kg.(most of interior too)

Weight more than you think.
860kg for a standard corsa your dreaming. Don't think nova's weigh that.

[Nik_L]

Yep, Corsa B Sport (what i had converted) weighs in at about 1000kg as standard. The lower spec 1.0 will be lighter though.

[MJ05LLY]

I owned a Corsa B Sport which I converted to an XE, wish I hadn't bothered.

Was young and thought it was quickest thing on road. But OMG when I seen a corner that thing was worse than my VXR when it was standard!!!


Someone mentioned a TT earlier, and I had my heart set on one before I got my Astra and it just disappointed me! Unless its a TTS or RS then it just didn't have the smile factor like i think a car like that should have. Saying that now am a bit older I would still have one and map it and it may be more fun.

[Nik_L]

Aye they aren't the best handling cars as standard the Corsa B, and shoving an extra 8 stone up front isn't going to make things any better. lol. Saying that though, there is stuff out there to improve them. Talking strong money though for the likes of Gaz coilovers and rose joints and things like that.

I never really had any majors issue's or thought it handled badly, but then on the other hand i wouldn't defend them as they aren't famed for being the best handling cars.

[Gumbo]

Most bm's without M badges and mk 4 golfs other than r32s

[Jazz]

Either way an XE Corsa B is still a fair bit lighter than a DC2, they do not weigh the same.

And it's still daft to compare them, one is a world-class FWD drivers car and the other is a small basic engine-swapped shopping car which is, quite frankly, bloody awful.

[DanoSaxoVT]

corsa VXR's
wasnt impressed tbh

For 200 BHP they are slow as death!

[rey]

For 200 BHP they are slow as death!

I was quite impressed by the Arctic edition I drive tbh, they don't feel that quick but they're a good laugh to drive..

The noise alone made me laugh, popping every time you change gear etc.

[MJ05LLY]

I'm not defending the Corsa VXR because I test drove one and it didn't have enough umph for me
But for a 1600cc 190bhp and around 1200kg (maybe less) 0-60 in 6.8 (ish) I don't know how people say they're slow. I mean a VTS is around one second slower and probs 300kg lighter?

I ain't saying they're great cos imo they're not. Over rated well that depends on how high you regarded the car to start with. When i test drove one i didnt want one but they didnt have an Astra in, so i jumped out my Saxo into the Corsa so was a good comparison. Plus you have tuning potential with a map if you don't melt you pistons on the Corsa.
I mean I cammed my VTS, now that was over rated imo but to some other guys on her who I talked to who had theirs done they loved it and felt it was best money spent!

[m4tt274]

those 306 Diesels that have had their pumps wound up and the boost increased etc.
there was one that went to our local 'cruises' and everyone really rated it, all the 'crew' round it thought it was the quickest thing about!
i went to one of the meets one night and saw this 306 on the way up so caught up, then he booted it, gave me emphasema with all the smoke that came out and failed to move much at all. I was in a standard VTR bar a supersprint and was able to pull out and over take it it while it was on chat. I would hazzard to say it was only a tiny bit quicker than standard.
They came over to the saxo once i got there and asked what i had done to it as the 306 'merks scoobys' or something. When i told them it was just a standard 8v 1.6 they all shut up abit.

mind you, as people always reply, "their mate has one thats 250bhp with no smoke and B8s that does 8minutes round the ring blah blah blah so this was obviously a slow one"

[Nik_L]

Either way an XE Corsa B is still a fair bit lighter than a DC2, they do not weigh the same.

And it's still daft to compare them, one is a world-class FWD drivers car and the other is a small basic engine-swapped shopping car which is, quite frankly, bloody awful.

Probably the same weight difference as taking a shite before getting in.lol.

My point isn't comparing the cars on the whole, its comparing the stats on paper. DC2 claims 190bhp and will hit 60 in the low 6's. They certainly aren't as quick as made out.

I also came across this video, which shows how slow the FN2 is....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ1BUALwLqY

[Ross]

I'm not defending the Corsa VXR because I test drove one and it didn't have enough umph for me
But for a 1600cc 190bhp and around 1200kg (maybe less) 0-60 in 6.8 (ish) I don't know how people say they're slow. I mean a VTS is around one second slower and probs 300kg lighter?

I ain't saying they're great cos imo they're not. Over rated well that depends on how high you regarded the car to start with. When i test drove one i didnt want one but they didnt have an Astra in, so i jumped out my Saxo into the Corsa so was a good comparison. Plus you have tuning potential with a map if you don't melt you pistons on the Corsa.
I mean I cammed my VTS, now that was over rated imo but to some other guys on her who I talked to who had theirs done they loved it and felt it was best money spent!

Titch sold his 300bhp 106 to buy an Artic Edition Corsa VXR and says he'd never go back. Make of that what you will.

[MJ05LLY]

Titch sold his 300bhp 106 to buy an Artic Edition Corsa VXR and says he'd never go back. Make of that what you will.

Is that to the Saxo or Corsa?

Don't get me wrong not calling them world beaters, as they're far from it but I don't think they're as slow as people make out.

[Ross]

Is that to the Saxo or Corsa?

Don't get me wrong not calling them world beaters, as they're far from it but I don't think they're as slow as people make out.

IE, sold a 300bhp peugeot 106 and bought a artic VXR. Has now said he wished he'd done it sooner, and loves his vxr. I guess comfort, practicality etc all trump a french tin can.

[Jazz]

Probably the same weight difference as taking a shite before getting in.lol.

My point isn't comparing the cars on the whole, its comparing the stats on paper. DC2 claims 190bhp and will hit 60 in the low 6's. They certainly aren't as quick as made out.

I also came across this video, which shows how slow the FN2 is....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ1BUALwLqY

And what has the FN2 got to do with anything..? They run flat 15s all day long, that run was particularly slow. Lightly Breathing modded ones are running mid 14s so what's your point?

Fn2 is perfectly adequate at what it does- me beating a 230hp RX8 in a straight line drag with 2 passangers is pretty respectable in my book. Same result against a good mate in a Forester 2.5 Turbo.

I guess those cars must be REALLY slow then.

Seriously Nik, you may as well stop before you make yourself look even more silly ;)

[VECTRASRI]

Fiesta st seems to be appearing a bit, I would also agree. My mates felt sluggish & gutless & to say it only gets around 28mpg on a motorway is stupid

[craig180]

Dunno if it's already been mentioned or not, but Nana 106's. Why are they 3k more than an equivalent VTS?? Makes no sense whatsoever

[Nik_L]

Im just winding you up bud. :y:

My brothers mate is exactly the same, defends the FN2 all day long, bites like a fish. He was happy for about an hour after his ran 220+ on the rollers (not standard) then was gutted when a standard EP3 and MR2 N/A both passed him in a straight line drag over 2+ miles.

He always resorts to the extra weight in his defence. lol.

[Ashleyp]

Dunno if it's already been mentioned or not, but Nana 106's. Why are they 3k more than an equivalent VTS?? Makes no sense whatsoever

I'd go as far as to say most 106's (especially rallye's). well at least they were when I was looking at them, and was the reason I bought a VTS

Perhaps not over-rated, but most certainly over-priced.


In a similar instance, I'd say the 306 rallye is over-priced too, whilst the gti6 is under-rated.

[Jazz]

I know you were, I couldn't resist ;)

I'll always defend the FN2 because it gets a lot of slating but it's actually a good car and despite only having mine 2 months I did like it.

[Chr15]

Honda
Vauxhall
Ford
Porsche
Aixam

[frenchcarparts]

Always feel let down by the focus ST and the mk2 RS

[tweeqd]

Compared to an AXVTS they are incredibly lethargic, I'm not surprised it felt slow lol.

Pfft even an ax vts is slow :P

[hard_corejoeboy]

dont get me started on that prick

When you can install an engine properly. Shout back. In the mean time i know your business and where you live so kindly stfu.

[Mochachino]

I think Twingos are overated aswell as Clios.

[Yates]

When you can install an engine properly. Shout back. In the mean time i know your business and where you live so kindly stfu.

LOL, never heard a bad thing about the work they have done, i mean look at their car great example of their work. all ever see you do is moan and argue with everyone and just be an all around bell end.

i think gold saxo vts' with b8s and lower brace are over rated

[Ross]

When you can install an engine properly. Shout back. In the mean time i know your business and where you live so kindly stfu.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww208/tsikes_bucket/internettoughguy.png

[blackie_2k5]

When you can install an engine properly. Shout back. In the mean time i know your business and where you live so kindly stfu.

hope you can back a post like that up..in all respects tbh

[Sophia_Bush]

hope you can back a post like that up..in all respects tbh

dito 2 sides to every story and we already know the truthful one

[Ashleyp]

hope you can back a post like that up..in all respects tbh

He'll try to back it up with a 'ring time... a lap time of what exactly, well that's another question...

[blackie_2k5]

He'll try to back it up with a 'ring time... a lap time of what exactly, well that's another question...

get him into the probs section

get him to race the twingo against the ktm 125 for slips...

[rey]

When you can install an engine properly. Shout back. In the mean time i know your business and where you live so kindly stfu.

You really are an inbred cunt aren't you..

[tweeqd]

When you can install an engine properly. Shout back. In the mean time i know your business and where you live so kindly stfu.

you know where i work not where i live ;) and you wernt even man enough to last it out as a squaddy so im not exactly running scared

sorry for the derail ross but ill now explain why dickhead thinks the way he does

in 2010 i was asked to lower joe's gold saxo, which i did. he then asked if i would convert to 16v as he was looking at an engine from highflow heads
i told him i had never delt with them but having been part of the french tuning world for over 10 years i had heard some horror stories so stay away

on monday the 10 of may 2010 joe turned up with his saxo and an engine he payed £1k for from highflow heads, he originally asked me just to fit the engine and thats it, i looked at the engine and both manifolds and clutch were loose, both water housings were broken, the inlet manifold was broken and all the sensors and servo pipe were missing. joes was also a 3 plug so i had to remove the carpet and fit the correct fuel lines (fuel lines i had to go and find and remove from another car), he also wanted his sparco bucket seats fitted which came with subframe that didnt fit and needed welding together to make fit(the seats and the fuel lines were not on the origianl job.

now joe being the clever guy he is drove all the way from colchester dropped off the car, engine, and seats but thought it was best to leave the locking wheel bolt key at home :wall::clapping:

none of this would normally of been a problem but by the time he posted me the locking key it was thursday the 13th of may.
i didnt go in to work on the friday the 14th as i was at frimley hospital watching my daughter being born.
i text joe to say i wasnt working on the car cos my daughter had been born and joes reply was ''thats all very well but im off to the ring next week and need my car back''
so i left my newborn and missus and went in to work sat and sunday (how many other tuners would of done that) i fitted the engine, wired it all up, fitted the fuel lines and seats and then removed all the missing and broken parts needed to finish joes car from my own AX, rendering my own car useless so i could finish joes.

in rushing to get the car done and trying to get back to my new family ill admit i did not connect the live 12v to the o2 sensor, but everything else about the engine i was supplied was shit anyway.
i didnt even get time to test the car as as soon as it was complete joe was outside with his mussus wanting to take the car away.

now joe was worried he was going to mis his trip to the ring and of course it was my selfish fault for having my daughter, nothing to do with the fact he bought a shit engine from a comany i told him not to oh and dropping off a car for work but thinking it was safer to leave the locking wheel nut key 150 miles away


THAT JOE IS WHY I NOW THINK YOUR A CUNT

[Giraffe]

To be fair, everyone thinks he is a cunt, except you seem to have adequate reason to...

[Gandi699]

So he slates you about putting his engine in when he cant do the work himself?

[hard_corejoeboy]

you know where i work not where i live ;) and you wernt even man enough to last it out as a squaddy so im not exactly running scared

sorry for the derail ross but ill now explain why dickhead thinks the way he does

in 2010 i was asked to lower joe's gold saxo, which i did. he then asked if i would convert to 16v as he was looking at an engine from highflow heads
i told him i had never delt with them but having been part of the french tuning world for over 10 years i had heard some horror stories so stay away

on monday the 10 of may 2010 joe turned up with his saxo and an engine he payed £1k for from highflow heads, he originally asked me just to fit the engine and thats it, i looked at the engine and both manifolds and clutch were loose, both water housings were broken, the inlet manifold was broken and all the sensors and servo pipe were missing. joes was also a 3 plug so i had to remove the carpet and fit the correct fuel lines (fuel lines i had to go and find and remove from another car), he also wanted his sparco bucket seats fitted which came with subframe that didnt fit and needed welding together to make fit(the seats and the fuel lines were not on the origianl job.

now joe being the clever guy he is drove all the way from colchester dropped off the car, engine, and seats but thought it was best to leave the locking wheel bolt key at home :wall::clapping:

none of this would normally of been a problem but by the time he posted me the locking key it was thursday the 13th of may.
i didnt go in to work on the friday the 14th as i was at frimley hospital watching my daughter being born.
i text joe to say i wasnt working on the car cos my daughter had been born and joes reply was ''thats all very well but im off to the ring next week and need my car back''
so i left my newborn and missus and went in to work sat and sunday (how many other tuners would of done that) i fitted the engine, wired it all up, fitted the fuel lines and seats and then removed all the missing and broken parts needed to finish joes car from my own AX, rendering my own car useless so i could finish joes.

in rushing to get the car done and trying to get back to my new family ill admit i did not connect the live 12v to the o2 sensor, but everything else about the engine i was supplied was shit anyway.
i didnt even get time to test the car as as soon as it was complete joe was outside with his mussus wanting to take the car away.

now joe was worried he was going to mis his trip to the ring and of course it was my selfish fault for having my daughter, nothing to do with the fact he bought a shit engine from a comany i told him not to oh and dropping off a car for work but thinking it was safer to leave the locking wheel nut key 150 miles away


THAT JOE IS WHY I NOW THINK YOUR A CUNT

Everything you have said is reasonable. Apart from one thing. Firstly i was about 22 or 23 at the time so not exactly mature and understanding when it came to things like kids so sorry for that. One thing you dont realise as a soldier i was paid to do my job no matter what. Regardless of family troubles personal life etc. So when i pay someone to do work i expect the same

On thing you have said though has really fucked me off bigtime as I served my time and more even staying out in afghan longer than i needed too so i could be there for my mates and command my section. I dont need to brag on about how great i was cos theres too much to list tbh but know i served my time and wanted to be there for my son on a full time basis something im sure you can understand.

Ps i DO know where you live though ;)o

[Ross]

When you can install an engine properly. Shout back. In the mean time i know your business and where you live so kindly stfu.

Everything you have said is reasonable.
So you accept that what Martin is saying is true. But you still want to slag him off and act the internet badman with semi-veiled threats and slurs on his business.

[hard_corejoeboy]

He called me a prick and i wasnt even involved in the thread at that point. Most tradersbon here are more professional than that.

[rey]

He's got a pretty valid point + most on here call you much worse on a regular basis

[tweeqd]

your right as a soldier you sign up to do your job no matter what, thats your choice

as a farther who lost his 1st child at birth i wasnt going to miss the birth of my 2nd child knowing 1st hand how dangerous birth can be so i could get your car finished when the reason it wasnt completed on time was due to your incompetence and your inability to listen to advise from someone who has been in the business a long time.


and going back to your threat, if you do know where i live and want to bring any trouble to the home my kids live at then bring some mates, cos if you start being the bad man at my family home i wont think twice of putting you on yours arse and burrying you in the common :y:

[Ross]

And that concludes today's lesson.

Thanks all for participating.