Vts Turbo kit anygood?

[ets2k9]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TURBO-CONVERSION-KIT-FOR-SAXO-VTS-106-GTI_W0QQitemZ320018766271QQihZ011QQcategoryZ72205Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

What do you think to this?

Cheers

Steve

[YM03]

welds on the manifold are abit of mess

edit also there don't seem to be any other parts with it, just the turbo and mani, imo I wouldn't touch it

[jclaydon]

bit cheap? He seems rather reluctant to list everything thats included.

[ets2k9]

I think you only get the manifold and Turbo from what I can make out, so it seems quite expensive.

[saxoash]

Also turbo sits at an angle so shit oil flow ending in fucked turbo a few months down the line

[ets2k9]

Its pretty much useless isn't it?

[saxoash]

yup if they had done the welds better and made it so that the turbo sat properly then it would be ok, but not as good as a proper turbo manifold

[stevenet15]

the bloke recons he had it on his car coz i messaged him but if you look he bought a renault 5 turbocharger and a manifold in the last 3 months so i dont beleive he had it running, he also said you dont need extra injectors or fuel for this kit which is a load of bollocks and he cannot provide intake boost pipes etc.. oh and there are no oil feed pipes etc.. so i think he tryed to turbo his saxo and gave up

[stiffler69]

doesnt the turbo suck in oil for its lubrication so cant see this been too much of a problem really sitting to an angle

[ets2k9]

I've seen a few advertised on Ebay with claims that you just bolt them on and off you go.

Nice bit of detective work there Steve.

[Ratty]

dont touch it, the manifold is at a slant meaning that the oil in the turbo would go to one side and damage the bearings over prolonged use.

[saxoash]

doesnt the turbo suck in oil for its lubrication so cant see this been too much of a problem really sitting to an angle

As ive said aswell:

dont touch it, the manifold is at a slant meaning that the oil in the turbo would go to one side and damage the bearings over prolonged use.

Now you know

[oadamo]

the turbo is pressurized with the engine oil off your engine so it doesnt matter what angle its at

[saxoash]

I would hate thought that if it was pressurised then it would matter on the angle but from what iv read and what rattys said it can effect the bearings

[oadamo]

its the drain rate that will cock up your bearing but the angle thats on the turbo on ebay is not very much so you wont have a problem
but the welding of a manifold is abit hit and miss i have welded a few with cast rods and a couple of others and in the end they all crack

[l1ukeRS]

if the angle of the turbo didnt matter then y wudnt everybody who has turbo cars sit them at an angle to gain more space from alternator etc, it does matter about the angle, and the lad thats selling that has been trying to for ages ive seen it on ebay 3 times i think now, im sure sum muppet will buy it,

if it was straight then it might be a good base for sum1's vts turbo, but ure better off gettin an adapter made by a fabrication company, i reckon it ud cost 50-70 quid then a turbo and do it that way off you standard manifold, thats what im in the process of doing with my vtr,

carworx can supply all the nessacery flanges etc for turbo and downpipe and if you can weld then ur one step closer, its just fueling, oil returns, boost pipes, forgies or 2 gaskets etc etc the list goes on that are expensive

[oadamo]

because its people like you that quote all this bullshit and then all the little dicks follow like sheep because thay no fuck all aswell

[ets2k9]

There's two that have been on Ebay numerous times but this one is a new one to me.

It seems to be a better idea to compile to parts yourself rather than buy one of these starter packs from Ebay.

[Ratty]

how come no other manufacturer sits them at angles then if it doesnt matter? the oil pressure is based on engine speed so on idle there is very low engine pressure, and on saxo you get 4bar of fuel pressure after 4k. The return is not presurised as its just a direct link back to the sump so the only pressure is from where you take the oil feed (assuming its the oil pressure switch) that means the oil comes out at X pressure but the pressure is not kept in the turbo as there is no pressure in the return. Hence the oil sits to 1 SIDE and returns to the engine!

[l1ukeRS]

Oadamo do you have any experience with turbo cars? if you tell me you have a turbo kit, with the turbo sat at an angle then id say u was still a nobhead and that dont know what ure on about, seein as others an myslef are dickheads for offering good advice, but then you may also have grounds to comment on,

[l1ukeRS]

and plus how long u bin building turbo saxo an ax lumps ratty? he knows what hes on bout when it comes to this

[Ratty]

over 4 years now, and i still have a turbo car :D

[l1ukeRS]

nice 1 mines in progress at the moment, building a chooper at the same time with my dad so it may take a while

[Ratty]

as in a bike? you must watch american chopper or whatever its called.

[l1ukeRS]

yeah as in a bike lol, should be all good once we start for real its just stripping out etc etc and sourcing bits at the mo, ill post sum pics up maybe of the progress lol

[Ratty]

what you mean maybe, get it done!

[l1ukeRS]

lol ill try, fuckin tools an that are costing a bomb at the minute

[kornlover30]

It does matter if the turbo is at an angle, the oil will sit at one side and blow oil seals one end and run the turbine bearings dry at the other! Trust me im a car doctor (mechanic LOL)!!!!

[oadamo]

how can the oil sit at one end when its pressurized if it it goes pass the seals
there worn or you have to much pressure and if its a home made system thats sometimes what happens due to people not sizeing the oil inlet and drain properly. and how can you blow the oil seals when there steel you can blow oil past worn seals thats how you get oil in your inlet and you cant run the bearing dry because its a pressurized system so thay will aways have oil it will just piss into your intake or out your exhaust and thats why you no if a turbos poo and by mounting it at an angle you will accelurate wear to the trust bearing but it will be very little and the amount on the ebay pic it wont make any diff to the turbo

[Ratty]

your so wrong its unreal, the oil will sit to one side meaning that one will get more than the other, the other will wear faster (bearing in mind (As im sure you know) turbos sping up to 200,000rpm thats quite an accellerated bit of wear) ask any turbo specialist e.g Garrett, turbo technics and they will tell you its a no no.

[Dan]

Personally I'd listen to ratty.

[ets2k9]

I'am listening to Ratty :)

[kornlover30]

how can the oil sit at one end when its pressurized if it it goes pass the seals
there worn or you have to much pressure and if its a home made system thats sometimes what happens due to people not sizeing the oil inlet and drain properly. and how can you blow the oil seals when there steel you can blow oil past worn seals thats how you get oil in your inlet and you cant run the bearing dry because its a pressurized system so thay will aways have oil it will just piss into your intake or out your exhaust and thats why you no if a turbos poo and by mounting it at an angle you will accelurate wear to the trust bearing but it will be very little and the amount on the ebay pic it wont make any diff to the turbo
Tell you wat mate, u buy one and fit it and see how long it lasts!

[turbodoctor]

how can the oil sit at one end when its pressurized if it it goes pass the seals
there worn or you have to much pressure and if its a home made system thats sometimes what happens due to people not sizeing the oil inlet and drain properly. and how can you blow the oil seals when there steel you can blow oil past worn seals thats how you get oil in your inlet and you cant run the bearing dry because its a pressurized system so thay will aways have oil it will just piss into your intake or out your exhaust and thats why you no if a turbos poo and by mounting it at an angle you will accelurate wear to the trust bearing but it will be very little and the amount on the ebay pic it wont make any diff to the turbo

your right wot the fuck are these lot on about on here its like folow my leader or simon says !!:wall::wall::wall:try it for yourself just stop talkin shit!!!

[Mystic]

2006 just replied... They said you fail

[col101]

+1
2 year bump = fail.