Michelin Slicks

[azzamut]

Has anyone used Michelin S9C slick tyres on a Saxo. How well do they work as ive heard they can take a long time to get heat into them... Especially in the rear!

[azzamut]

No one used these tyres before?

[welshpug]

you need proper suspension setup for tyres like these, they dont work on stock stuff.

[azzamut]

Really, why is that?

[wadoryu]

They grip too much as per say. You need very hard suspension to cope with it.

[azzamut]

So what will happen if i use standard suspension with slicks?

[jasonmayall]

So what will happen if i use standard suspension with slicks?

I dont understand why you would do this?

[KamRacing]

So what will happen if i use standard suspension with slicks?

you go upside down

[KamRacing]

Really, why is that?

Tyres with tread are designed so movement of the tread blocks help generate heat. Slicks require high loads to be transmitted through them.

With regards to rear temperatures you need to get the tyre width and compound right otherwise they will not work. The other way is also to set up the suspension geometry to give more toe to scrub heat into the tyre...

[azzamut]

They are 190/57/15... What suspensions will work best with these tyres then?

[Nates-VTR]

Your going to fit full new suspension just to run slicks? Have you heard of semi slick tyres?

[azzamut]

yeah, i've heard of semi slicks... Car is just to be used on track and hill climbs though!

[jasonmayall]

Please tell me you're not using these on the road?

[KamRacing]

They are 190/57/15... What suspensions will work best with these tyres then?

Suspension thats at least twice as expensive as a good condition VTS is to buy. To run slicks well you need to run proper race suspension that is designed for the conditions, high side loads etc.
I'd imagine a road derived setup would be at risk of bending the struts on some brands!

[106maxi]

Michelin 19/57-15 v Yok A048 (195/50-15)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o85/indigorallye/SlickvA0483-1.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o85/indigorallye/SlickvA0482-1.jpg

[azzamut]

Do you run the Yokos an Michelins together or are the pictures just for comparison?

[solvi]

i use s9c and s9b 19/57/15

they are the best tyre .
but realy nead a stifff supention they will not perform other way...
and they only work well when warm.
the last alot longer than r888 alot more.


any question??

[solvi]

......... stiff dont mean expensive...

iff you mod your stock suspencion it will work fine.

i think coilovers are a real waste of money in most cases..

[Ross]

......... stiff dont mean expensive...

iff you mod your stock suspencion it will work fine.

i think coilovers are a real waste of money in most cases..

can you expand on your thinking behind this?

[KamRacing]

I think he means you can use a traditional McPherson strut setup, but to be honest without serious modification I dont see how you can run decent spring rates and get the car very low. I guess you could weld the spring platform lower but that will bring issues with steering mounting points....

[solvi]

I think he means you can use a traditional McPherson strut setup, but to be honest without serious modification I dont see how you can run decent spring rates and get the car very low. I guess you could weld the spring platform lower but that will bring issues with steering mounting points....


hi..

yes is true ...you do nead to modify the struts, and will not use decent spring rates, but whith the use off a verry stiff insert and re-weld the spring plates .

i ll asure you gone get a very good setup to use whith the s9b by a fration off the cost off a decente coilovers to run this same tyres...and will lower the car more thAN THE COILS.


ive said it before : send your full stock struts to a suspention tuner and ask for circuit use...

be prepared to rebuild it evry year....but is low-cost.

http://www.jorgeamortecedores.pt/

not the one i use, but he has made alot off saxo track ones.

[solvi]

can anyone tell me ,how mutch they cost in uk???

thanks.

[AlexFocusST]

I guess Solvi means, you should get your suspension revalved to a stiffer set up ( for cicuit use ) and harder springs, not just height adjusted coilover with soft springs for the same price!

[AlexFocusST]

can anyone tell me ,how mutch they cost in uk???

thanks.


350 euro to revalve bilstein group Ns and 250 for aluminum height abdjuster with 350lb springs on original top mount . Prices are what i paid nearly 1,5 years ago!

[solvi]

350 euros is low cost in terms off a decent circuit suspention...

and a rebuild will be alot less...

[solvi]

can anyone tell me ,how mutch they cost in uk???

thanks.

the tyres??? s9b or s9c how do they cost in uk??

[106maxi]

S9C are £200 for a used set, but with life left in them.
What rate springs do you run at the front?
And what size torsion bars?

[solvi]

hi i use 400 lbs at front (COILOVERS) an run stock torcion bars but also super stiff dampers at rear

200 for used pair is not a bad price...is dificult go get them used in portugal.

serach for solvi803 in youtube and see it worcking..

[solvi]

http://youtu.be/6s5M_nCNCcY

full set put at rack .
the onbord camera car is a full track 325i also slicks my car apears on video at 1:04 m its indigo blue and whith saxo....