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12th March 2013, 19:06
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Michelin Slicks
Has anyone used Michelin S9C slick tyres on a Saxo. How well do they work as ive heard they can take a long time to get heat into them... Especially in the rear!
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14th March 2013, 22:11
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No one used these tyres before?
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15th March 2013, 23:09
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Saxperience Forum Bum
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Car(s): ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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you need proper suspension setup for tyres like these, they dont work on stock stuff.
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16th March 2013, 14:17
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Really, why is that?
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16th March 2013, 16:29
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Saxperience Post Whore
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They grip too much as per say. You need very hard suspension to cope with it.
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18th March 2013, 14:30
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So what will happen if i use standard suspension with slicks?
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18th March 2013, 15:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by azzamut
So what will happen if i use standard suspension with slicks?
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I dont understand why you would do this?
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18th March 2013, 15:38
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: A farm shed in Aylesbury
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Car(s): Corolla AE86
Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by azzamut
So what will happen if i use standard suspension with slicks?
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you go upside down
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18th March 2013, 15:43
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by azzamut
Really, why is that?
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Tyres with tread are designed so movement of the tread blocks help generate heat. Slicks require high loads to be transmitted through them.
With regards to rear temperatures you need to get the tyre width and compound right otherwise they will not work. The other way is also to set up the suspension geometry to give more toe to scrub heat into the tyre...
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18th March 2013, 19:01
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They are 190/57/15... What suspensions will work best with these tyres then?
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18th March 2013, 19:28
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Your going to fit full new suspension just to run slicks? Have you heard of semi slick tyres?
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18th March 2013, 20:14
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yeah, i've heard of semi slicks... Car is just to be used on track and hill climbs though!
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18th March 2013, 20:15
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Car(s): Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.
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Please tell me you're not using these on the road?
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19th March 2013, 12:23
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Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by azzamut
They are 190/57/15... What suspensions will work best with these tyres then?
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Suspension thats at least twice as expensive as a good condition VTS is to buy. To run slicks well you need to run proper race suspension that is designed for the conditions, high side loads etc.
I'd imagine a road derived setup would be at risk of bending the struts on some brands!
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19th March 2013, 18:09
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Michelin 19/57-15 v Yok A048 (195/50-15)
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19th March 2013, 21:35
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Do you run the Yokos an Michelins together or are the pictures just for comparison?
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20th March 2013, 00:42
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: lisboa
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Car(s): saxo 1600 cup trackday.
vw golf iv 150cv.
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i use s9c and s9b 19/57/15
they are the best tyre .
but realy nead a stifff supention they will not perform other way...
and they only work well when warm.
the last alot longer than r888 alot more.
any question??
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20th March 2013, 00:50
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vw golf iv 150cv.
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......... stiff dont mean expensive...
iff you mod your stock suspencion it will work fine.
i think coilovers are a real waste of money in most cases..
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20th March 2013, 09:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by solvi
......... stiff dont mean expensive...
iff you mod your stock suspencion it will work fine.
i think coilovers are a real waste of money in most cases..
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can you expand on your thinking behind this?
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20th March 2013, 09:55
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
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I think he means you can use a traditional McPherson strut setup, but to be honest without serious modification I dont see how you can run decent spring rates and get the car very low. I guess you could weld the spring platform lower but that will bring issues with steering mounting points....
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