Islam/Mosques In The UK

[Ryan]

Fuck Islam and fuck Allah the peodophile. Islam has no benefit to the uk, if you can't see this your probably a spastic.

No one cares about immigration until it directly effects them. At that point it's to late

Incredible trolling there lad. Because no one can actually be this stupid :cool:

[Viper]

Incredible trolling there lad. Because no one can actually be this stupid :cool:

I think it might be Simo. He's probably hammered and thought he would troll for the lols.

[Ryan]

I think it might be Simo. He's probably hammered and thought he would troll for the lols.

Nah he's too busy hanging out the back of ladyboys in a VIP bar :)

[Ali123]

Your called ali and your from Huddersfield.

That would suggest why you don't agree with my comments so fuck off

Yes that is what I'm called and that is where I live
And by " that would suggest " what the fuck are you trying to say?

[AXracing]

Well it clearly has tripped you up seeing as you're still banging on about it, despite it being followed by a pretty succinct explanation.

You described it as just a 'political ideology', made no reference to how it seeks to meld religion and politics, nothing about its non-secular nature or even that there is a relationship with Islam. What a poor effort by you. It would have been far more of an accurate description to have included these things, but you didn't.

Don't get too hung up over a badly chosen word, you don't win arguments purely on semantics.



Seeing as Islamism is a political ideology and not a religion, how can it not derive from religion when it's basis for law is sharia law?

Moreover, how you term it 'loosely' inspired by religion is completely beyond me when a central theme of Islamism is to bring religious principles into government and society.

I suspect others can say it better then my self. This first quote may help you see that Islamism is not a religion but a political entirety.

The concept Islamism is controversial, not just because it posits a political role for Islam, but also because its supporters believe their views merely reflect Islam, while the contrary idea that Islam is, or can be, apolitical is an error. Scholars and observers who do not believe that Islam is a political ideology include Fred Halliday, John Esposito and Muslim intellectuals like Javed Ahmad Ghamidi.

This next quote may help you realise that its Islamisn and not Islam that most western people are frightened of. This is as Islamisn is not Islam and its goal is to attack other religions.

The third response to the modern trauma is Islamism, the subject of the remainder of this essay. Islamism has three main features: a devotion to the sacred law, a rejection of Western influences, and the transformation of faith into ideology.

Same is true to this next quote.

While Islamism is often seen as a form of traditional Islam, it is something profoundly different. Traditional Islam seeks to teach humans how to live in accord with God's will, whereas Islamism aspires to create a new order

Another good quote showing what we are really talking about.

Political Islam is the major force shaping the Middle East region today, and a dangerous one at that. The real question is if it can be tamed, and, more pointedly, what the West can do to bring about positive change during this pivotal time in history. But first, we have to understand what we're dealing with.

Political Islam, or "Islamism" as we call this phenomenon in the West, is an armed political ideology similar to Bolshevism and Maoism. It’s essentially religiosity cloaked as a movement which operates as a virulent ideology of warfare (jihad.) It demands radical reorientation of Muslim societies to comply with Sharia Law that repudiates modernity in all its forms and it has brought death and devastation both within the Muslim world as well as outside its borders.


Islamism condenses down to a fascist political view that promotes intolerance, religious hatred, oppression and suffering on many levels.

[Heliosphan]

I suspect others can say it better then my self. This first quote may help you see that Islamism is not a religion but a political entirety.

I've got serious concerns over your level of gumption if you're bringing the above to my attention. Such an odd point to make, even more so given that I said this earlier:

Seeing as Islamism is a political ideology and not a religion...

Islam and Islamism are different, I accept that. Nowhere in this thread have I argued the contrary. However, they are not dichotomies. They are tangibly related and whatever brand of Islamism you talk about, they each have Islam as a common denominator. Again, to be clear, where Islam is used by Islamists to achieve whatever political ends, there will be instances of Islamic teaching becoming distorted, interpreted in a certain way or actually maintained. Therefore Islam (or more specifically Islamic scriptures) provide the facility for action and the platform from which the ideology derives.

Islamism condenses down to a fascist political view that promotes intolerance, religious hatred, oppression and suffering on many levels.

Agree.

....This is why the religion has split in to so many smaller groups and why even what you may call mainstream Islamic groups these days tend to have a lot less to do with Islam then you would think.

Which mainstream Islamic groups have less to do with Islam than people might think?