Rob Riches fails drug test - Blames Craze ?

[Carlvtr88]

Rob Riches fails drug test and said it was something in his pre workout (Craze).
I believe they found a banned stimulant, in him, not the tub of craze.

I don't even intend to compete so it wouldn't effect my take on the product, but is there any truth in this or is he just using Craze as an excuse for taking something else ?

Below is Predator Nutritions response.
http://www.predatornutrition.com/blog/2013/07/04/predator-nutrition-response-to-craze-allegations/

They seem very confident in their stock. What's your take on it ?

[matt_vtr_15a]

Guys a douche....


One of them people that preaches being Natty and clearly isn't and obviously has no problem with 'pinning' the blame on somebody else...

Plenty of professional tests/studies clearly show that their are no banned substances in the pre-workout.... yet this obviously doesn't catch the media like rob riches blaming the product does....

Therefore it will just create publicity on the product and build up a hype... even if this stuff did have banned substances in and was to be removed from the shelves i'd bulk buy as much as i could afford...

My bet is he fucked up his cycle timing which lead to him failing...

[LWS_71]

Guys a douche....


One of them people that preaches being Natty and clearly isn't and obviously has no problem with 'pinning' the blame on somebody else...

Plenty of professional tests/studies clearly show that their are no banned substances in the pre-workout.... yet this obviously doesn't catch the media like rob riches blaming the product does....

Therefore it will just create publicity on the product and build up a hype... even if this stuff did have banned substances in and was to be removed from the shelves i'd bulk buy as much as i could afford...

My bet is he fucked up his cycle timing which lead to him failing...

LOL

They found a stimulant in his sample which has also been found in Craze. Doesn't exactly mean he takes roids does it. Why does he clearly take roids? Hes been training his ass off for years and I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing. He's not exactly a beast is he at about 180lbs.

[matt_vtr_15a]

LOL

They found a stimulant in his sample which has also been found in Craze. Doesn't exactly mean he takes roids does it. Why does he clearly take roids? Hes been training his ass off for years and I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing. He's not exactly a beast is he at about 180lbs.


LOL


Only my opinion...

Just always thought it... can't prove it either way however i just highly doubt he has never gone down that route...

the fact that a lot of his competition are juicing makes it a major disadvantage not to... I have no issue with people that are assisted, just funny when they claim to be natural and get wound up when questioned about it etc.

[Carlvtr88]

LOL

They found a stimulant in his sample which has also been found in Craze. Doesn't exactly mean he takes roids does it. Why does he clearly take roids? Hes been training his ass off for years and I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing. He's not exactly a beast is he at about 180lbs.

I was under the impression that the stim was found inside him, not the tub of Craze.

If this is the case then could they not test a direct sample from the tub he used ?

I don't think it's something for the average user / fitness guy to worry about. But I imagine things like this spark the " don't take it, its got unlisted ingredients in there " rumours ?

I've done some research and its all contradictory. Some people think that it's fine... a good pre work out, some think it's amazing and BLOWS YOUR MIND, others say it's got unlisted ingredients in there, and some people think the guy behind Driven Sports is a criminal and should be locked up.

[Carlvtr88]

Guys a douche....


One of them people that preaches being Natty and clearly isn't and obviously has no problem with 'pinning' the blame on somebody else...

Plenty of professional tests/studies clearly show that their are no banned substances in the pre-workout.... yet this obviously doesn't catch the media like rob riches blaming the product does....

Therefore it will just create publicity on the product and build up a hype... even if this stuff did have banned substances in and was to be removed from the shelves i'd bulk buy as much as i could afford...

My bet is he fucked up his cycle timing which lead to him failing...

TBF, looked around some forums and pretty much most of them say exactly the same as above. One guy was like, " if you think he's natty you must be daft ".

[matt_vtr_15a]

TBF, looked around some forums and pretty much most of them say exactly the same as above. One guy was like, " if you think he's natty you must be daft ".

Personally for me it's his level of conditioning that makes me think he isn't natty, yeah fair enough 180lb isn't freakish but lets not forget that he is staying within a certain category and obviously never aiming to compete with Mr O's...

Saying that 180lb at 5 foot 10/11 or whatever he is and being probably around 5/6% bodyfat isn't freakish but it's his class to stay around that...

Why risk losing mass when your cutting down to such low bodyfat which could rule you out of a placed finish when you could cleverly cycle and have all signs out of your system to pass tests (if you play your cycle right)

A high percentage of professional bodybuilders are assisted, it's basically no different within that community than a protein shake is to general gym goers...

I generally think someone in his position may be natural early into their career and maybe for a few years into it, but as you progress into the bigger and established competitions staying natural won't see you as well conditioned as some of the other guys... and you'll end up dropping down the ranks again....

[McGuire86]

Half the ship that goes into supplements these day people aren't aware of. Some of the ingredients are banned substances or prescribed drugs that have just as many if not more risks as AAS

[DusheR]

I believe him to be honest. Gets in unreal shape, no idea how the nattys do it. Year round dedication!