Ignition Upgrade [Archive] - Saxperience

Andy_206gti

14th March 2016, 11:59

I'm looking at changing to an external coil pack. I was going to buy an MSD one, but I have just read that you can use the FORD coil pack, can any shed any light on this?

Do you use the FORD leads to?

There is a second hand coil pack and leads on ebay for £15. All I'll have to do then is convert the wiring.

Any help would be great.

Phaeton

14th March 2016, 12:12

No experience of these from a Saxo point of view, but they were the coil pack of choice for anyone with a MegaJolt or MageSquirt system, you can use any leads from the coil pack to the spark plug that works. If you buying one 2nd hand I would try to make sure you get the connector that goes onto it, then I suspect (Do not know) it's just getting the 3 wires connected correctly.

https://www.autosportlabs.com/

Andy_206gti

14th March 2016, 12:36

Cheers bud, I'll definitely look at this.

stevo67

14th March 2016, 13:12

Andy_206gti

14th March 2016, 13:37

Ask Ross about these,I don't think he's got a favourable view on them.:drink:

I've just dropped him a PM. Thanks :y:

Ross

14th March 2016, 14:15

Ask Ross about these,I don't think he's got a favourable view on them.:drink:

MSD are identical to ford coilpacks, except they're bright red for go-faster-ness, and cost about 5x the price. Utter rip off. I burnt one out (to this day don't know how) that was <3k miles old. Wouldn't accept a return/replacement so fuck them - I bought a ford coilpack and that lasted the life of the car (until I went to the final coilpack solution Constella did for me that's radically different).

Stick with the ford coilpack if you're changing. Avoid the MSD.

PM replied to :)

VeiRoN

14th March 2016, 16:07

Are you planning to use this type?

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/lOIAAOSweW5VTlLk/$_57.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/3TwAAOSw6BtVTlLx/$_57.JPG

It's for sale on eBay for 12 btw ;)

Ross

14th March 2016, 16:24

You'll need the ford connector too. But there's a guide on how to swap if you search :)

Chipwizards

14th March 2016, 18:07

The Ford coils tend to like a bit more dwell, are you using the stock ECU or aftermarket?
What is your reason for changing the coil anyway? You may leave it more exposed to bad weather if you don't get suitable leads.

dermow

14th March 2016, 21:08

I changed to ford coil pack and ht leads on my track car. Got tired of cooking the standard coil pack every other session. Hasn't missed a beat since.

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Chipwizards

14th March 2016, 23:10

I've done countless circuit racing cars with stock coils and not had an issue, not to mention Rally and Rallycross cars.

Nothing at all wrong with new genuine parts.

I know they have been known to fail, but so have Ford coils!

axsaxoman

15th March 2016, 08:17

totally agree with wayne
std unit is fine
If you were running 3 bar of boost --then maybe you might think about something different

Phaeton

15th March 2016, 08:30

Isn't there a cost implication though, doesn't the Ford option work out a lot cheaper?

Andy_206gti

15th March 2016, 09:12

Ford coil pack is £15-20 plus and connector which are both cheap, probably looking at £40-£50 max if you fit it yourself... Sandard VTS Coil Pack varies in price. Ebay from around £50, GSF over £100.

So if the ford one goes... which it could, its a lot cheaper to replace.

dermow

15th March 2016, 11:41

Liam_

15th March 2016, 13:03

You'll need the ford connector too. But there's a guide on how to swap if you search :)

I've been looking for said guide and can't find it. :(

Chipwizards

15th March 2016, 21:09

Between 3 of my friends and myself, all of us have had issues with our standard coil packs at some stage while racing in Rallysprint, Time attack and Future classics. By far the cheapest and longlasting option in my opinion is the Ford coil pack.

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I suppose it depends if you started with old or cheap shit.

I've got over 150 championship wins in various disciplines with no failures on a stock coil. You don't win championships by breaking down a lot....

Spendyrx

16th March 2016, 18:15

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=439054

No pics but sounds like what you need

sexy_gt

17th March 2016, 20:37

Wanted to add that im still on stock vts coilpack. :p

dermow

18th March 2016, 12:04

Okay. Okay. Point taken. Bit of a marmite subject this one.

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axsaxoman

18th March 2016, 15:17

MSD are identical to ford coilpacks, except they're bright red for go-faster-ness, and cost about 5x the price. Utter rip off. I burnt one out (to this day don't know how) that was <3k miles old. Wouldn't accept a return/replacement so fuck them - I bought a ford coilpack and that lasted the life of the car (until I went to the final coilpack solution Constella did for me that's radically different).

Stick with the ford coilpack if you're changing. Avoid the MSD.

PM replied to :)
you could burn it out if dwell time is not set correctly in ecu to match the coil unit --that would be my guess as to what happened --

but not a normal problem burning any coil out --not these days --used to be when we had balasted coils--vauxhalls +fords in 1970,s which is a 9v unit --gets 12v on cranking to give a bigger spark cos of the voltage drop caused by starter motor when cold --when they had points +condensers + distributors --ahh the good ole days .now the ecu has a voltage regulator to keep it constant ,which is also why if your battery goes below 10v some just wont, start --even with a tow

Carlinho

11th April 2016, 14:03

Hello folks. Here in Brazil I used Honda Fit 1.4 CM11-109 coils, which have internal ignition driver. I've used with OEM coil suport from Peugeot 208 with EC5 engine and was straight fit in it!

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160411/c7acc04c12498ca825e208262a70b397.jpg