is it me or do saxo's handle like a sack of shit ??

[joey_205]

funny thing hapened tonight, racing about as you do, comin out of teesside park, coming round a bend the car totally spins out. so im sat there in the middle of a 4 lane dual cariage way with 4 cars flyin at me, one swerves of the the right the other smashes into the curb, luckily i knew the lad and there was no damage what so ever, im lucky as f**k really. ill remeber not to tap the brake and slow down next time !!!

anyone els had any near mises liek this ?? are saxo's popular for spining out ??


as scary as it was, man ive never had such a rush in my life !!!

[Craig]

one you shoudnt be racing about theres a time and place to get used to the saxo handling, and how to use it wisely and not to the limits, its called TRACKTIME

[Andyblacksaxo]

They don't handle like shit. They're quality. Just depends upon the drivers skills.
U've just got to realise that a car with a torsion bar on the rear, grips f*ckin well, but when it goes, it goes gd n proper!

[Danr]

Problem was you were probabley pushing the car too far, and doing on a public road is not cool, imagine if you'd killed someone.

I reckon saxo's are one of the better handling cars out there.

I've never heard of someone spinning out driving normally!

[Dan]

Wouldnt say they are known for spinning out, depends how fast you were going.

I would say the saxo's handle very well.

I wouldnt boast about 'racing about' either.

[Graeme]

i think my saxo handles great

when i hammerd it on the track times i have been on its been great anyway

[S34MER]

This thread is pointless!!!

[joey_205]

i wasnt hamering it or anything, i know the limit, and im not really one for racing as i cant afford the petrol, it just took me by surprise it was a long corner and it just span, i wasnt even goin too fast.

i feel like such a cunt tho, i mean what if i didnt injure some1. is there anything what could of caused it to spin out ?? like tyre preasure or something ?? or maybe even shit on the road ??

[Dan]

This thread is pointless!!!


Why is it pointless?

[joey_205]

i cant of been goin that fast anyway there was a tranny van next to me.

[Talon]

someones never driven a corsa

[Mattvtr]

think you just saying you were racing made everyone say you were goin too quick,was the tarmac moist or was there any oil,you had it lowered?

[Mattvtr]

someones never driven a corsa

too true.lol

[joey_205]

yea it is lowerd. a friend was sayin his mate has had the same problem, something about havin disks on the back or something like that.. is it a common problem ???

[Talon]

yea it is lowerd. a friend was sayin his mate has had the same problem, something about havin disks on the back or something like that.. is it a common problem ???

are you for real?

[joey_205]

i sound like a twat in that top post, never mind... ill learn someday

[Mattvtr]

did you have the brake bias adjusted when lowered,will lock up quicker at the rear than the front otherwise

[joey_205]

yea. im totally for real. why ??

[joey_205]

it was lowerd by the last owner so im not sure..

[Mattvtr]

well you need to do a test on a straight bit of road (out of the way of anbody) because otherwise the rear will lock up quicker than the front making for an interesting time...

[Lurch]

They tend to suffer from lift-off-oversteer, if you dont commit to a bend and bottle it half way, thats when your arse comes round to meet you. Has happened me in the past on damp roads. My own fault though.

[joey_205]

ahh rite, so just break in a straight line ??

[Geoff]

i know what corner your talking about and if your car span out on that . Your a really bad driver or somthing wrong wit your moter

[Talon]

ahh rite, so just break in a straight line ??

yes break in a straight line, turn in then apply the throttle when you can get out of the corner

[joey_205]

yea i did start to slow down half way round, which is when it hapened. i once got told by a mate who drives a 205 to always commit to a bend, do all your braking before it and never bottle it...

i think i know what he means now.

[Mattvtr]

straight line and if the rears lock up before the fronts then the bias needs adjusting so front locks before the rear

[hesslevtr]

iv span mine before on track thats only cause i was going for it and didnt think i needed to brake for a corner but i did lol

mine handles well but not brilliant

[Mattvtr]

yes break in a straight line, turn in then apply the throttle when you can get out of the corner

we were talking about checking if his break bias was set

[joey_205]

people are always crashing on that corner tho, u ever noticed the bariers are always full of paint and always geting replaced ??? a lad i work with once done it with a citroen, not sure which car, and ended up in the bushes.

noticed after the incedent that one of my back tyres is a bit flat. even tho i only checked them all the other day..

[Geoff]

my moter handles really well but in the wet . its shit i mean gash

[Talon]

we were talking about checking if his break bias was set

i was responding to the question do you break in a straight line, sorry for any confusion :oops:

[Mattvtr]

atleast this didnt happen
http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1158751854/Citroens_Wheels_Fall_Off

thanks to andy for vid :P

i was responding to the question do you break in a straight line, sorry for any confusion


no probs :P

[Viper]

my sax handles fine. but i take corners at sensible speeds.. if i dont.. it just doesnt turn aswell :P

[Andyblacksaxo]

atleast this didnt happen
http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1158751854/Citroens_Wheels_Fall_Off

thanks to andy for vid :P



no probs :P

Thats quality. :fcuk:

Mate never wants to go in my Saxo now. :D:

[throttleboy]

Saxos handle like shit on wet its fact,they spin first and second and you wont be taking corners in a hurry, but on the dry they may as wel be on rails because they aint goin nowere, which can be an advantage to you against bigger cars! i learned about the break bias thing the hard way, went to over take and car pulled out up the road, i breaked hard and the back wheels locked and lost the car, just missin the car in front i ended up in a field sharing my lunch with da cows!lol get it sorted dude its dangerous! dont be scared of the streets but be careful!

[shawty]

havent had any problems in my vtr with handling, yet i havent really pushed the car too much, waiting to get on a track, but to be fair i used to drive my first saxo (1.4sx) like a dick, spun it a few times going on to my local bi-pass, then wrote it off on my 18th birthday when the back end came out and took me up a bank and onto the roof, you soon learn your lesson when your hanging from your seatbelt.lol

thinking back now the commiting to the corner may have been the problem not sure if i let off or not

[joey_205]

cheers for the advice. ill try that test soon as possible. i dont fancy goin through that again, maybe on purpose but not on a street !!!

atleast my wheels didnt fall of i supose !

[throttleboy]

True but vtr,s are fun, sometimes you cant help it wen you see an open road its great to gun it, we dont have to drive like a nerd all the time just no your limits!

[willsy]

Handling depends on so many factors: driver, lowering, tyres (big factor) the list goes on.

Your not supposed to brake on a bend atall, you brake before the bend and then its back on the accelerator (even if its just touching it) whilst you go round the bend. By braking on a bend the forces acting on certain parts of the car will cause it to potentially lose control etc.

Tyres are a big factor, i used to have Toyo proxes on the car and the car never felt like losing grip at any point in dry, wet and icy weather, they were simply awesome. At the moment now i have some Yokohama tyres on (cant remember the type) and there as good as the Proxes in the dry but theyre absolutely awful in wet weather. Ill be changing them again soon.
So if you have crap budget tyres on dont expect wonders.

Thats just a few things but genuinely the saxo does handle quite well and depending on how you have the car setup it has the potential to be extremely good compared to others in the same market and equally against more top of the range cars

[joey_205]

yea. well new set of alloys and tyres on the way soon, hopefully.

[willsy]

Read up a little about the type of tyre that you can choose for the alloys.

[throttleboy]

i hav set 16'' 45 series eagle f1 on mine they grip better than most on the wet but still iv had a few close cals in the wet it is harder to slide but if it goes it goes with force! wil be a buget set next tho!lol

[jezpick]

as scary as it was, man ive never had such a rush in my life !!!

I've spun mine a few times round round-a-bouts, and i know what ya mean, get a real kick outta it!! do you do any street racing, i don't cause mine aint quick enough!! but when i "borrow" dads car when he's on holiday!! hehe love thrashing the fuck outta that and on wet days the back end comes out pish and is wicked round round-a-bouts, oh its the new mr2 by the way, when the roads wet it handles wank, but when its dry its like its on rails!

[Barry123]

...nice.

[joey_205]

yea i heard mr2's are good for spining out, or drifting. a mate of mine just got the old 2 ltr gti. donkies years old and abnout 180 miles on the clock but still fast. he spun his round a ropundabout the over day and ended up on a gras verge, take some getin used to i can imagine...

and nah not really into street racing. not to sound like a fanny but scares the shit out of me, mainly the fact that if i get another 3 points ill get my licence revoked.
love a good guning it on a clear road tho, dont we all ??

[Barry123]

yes its awesome... vroom vroom

[sean_rae]

torsion bar is that stiff on saxo,s GTi's when you going faster than normal obviosly wwith the g force pushin the car
opposite to the turn all the wieght goes over to one side causing the other
wheel to lift off the ground and thats when it kicks out !
ive had the wheel up a few times but never spun mine touch wood.

tahst how stiff they are got my car parked up a cirb there! imagine it doing say 40mph on a round-about!
sorry for the size of the pic!
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/sean_rae/Cockinitsleg.jpg

[Baz]

how fast would you say you was going? what was the speed limit? i was hit last week on the side of the car and i didn't even spin out fully just got shunted 90 degrees off the road!

[joey_205]

maybe 50 ??? cant say i was looking at the speedo too much. too busy taking a shit. while spinning around 250 degrees

[Baz]

still not sure how you manage to spin it so badly tbh!

[joey_205]

well maybe faster, i know what u mean tho, it was prity bad,i just remeber been sat there like a lost dog in a cloud of smoke with a car coming towards me...
stupid i know

[joey_205]

maybe i just too much of that tyre balck shit on. alothough i havnt used ot for a good few days, but shit that stuff on ur tread is worse that ice !

[joey_205]

yea im goin to bed, i cant type or spell for shit.

[Baz]

wouldn't know.....hardly clean my car think itwas cleaned about 4-5 times in a year so

[Robbo]

yeh i know what corner you mean and my back ends come out on it but not spun all the way round. dont go too fast round it now though, scares you after youve had an accident or even like a near miss!

[joey_205]

nah fuck that,, im drivin round that corner like an old man tomoro.
you just wait till ur in ur vts robbo, ull be hamerin it around that bastard of a corner.

[Barry123]

maybe 50 ??? cant say i was looking at the speedo too much. too busy taking a shit. while spinning around 250 degrees

pretty sure TP has a speed limit of 30 max innit (think it's less actually)

[TU-Tuning]

This corner seems to be a bit legendary for all the wrong reasons...

[Robbo]

nah fuck that,, im drivin round that corner like an old man tomoro.
you just wait till ur in ur vts robbo, ull be hamerin it around that bastard of a corner.

yeah most probly! dont get me excited though lol

[joey_205]

nah the big bend cant be only 30 !! you come straight of a dual cariage way onto a dual.. theres no signs is there ?? so it must be national speed limit, im guesin..

[TU-Tuning]

If what you say is true about the speed barriers gettin mullered on a regular basis then i doubt its a 60 bud, more likely a 40 or below surely?

[Robbo]

it probly is 30 like, i was going 50 when my back end came out before, but there is no signs to say its 30 i dont think

[joey_205]

yea your probly right, but it is like 4 lane, and no signs, what do they expect. its a prity scetchy corner like.

[Barry123]

i know where you are talking about...

bit a bump in the road i think. might have put your car off balance. I defo would not do 50 around that though because of the approaching traffic lights

[Robbo]

i know where you are talking about...

bit a bump in the road i think. might have put your car off balance. I defo would not do 50 around that though because of the approaching traffic lights

know what you mean about the bump, im sure its dead center of the corner. even going 60 theres loads of time to slow down before the lights though!

[CampDavid]

You need to keep the accelerator down a touch when cornering to balance the back end. Don't back off mid corner etc and you should be fine. Spinning on the roads suggests that you are really pushing it and are well out of the depth that your driving ability will allow

[m20pub]

hahahaha just read the title of this thread but going out should be a intresting read when i get back pmsl

[Karl]

funny thing hapened tonight, racing about as you do, comin out of teesside park, coming round a bend the car totally spins out. so im sat there in the middle of a 4 lane dual cariage way with 4 cars flyin at me, one swerves of the the right the other smashes into the curb, luckily i knew the lad and there was no damage what so ever, im lucky as f**k really. ill remeber not to tap the brake and slow down next time !!!

anyone els had any near mises liek this ?? are saxo's popular for spining out ??


as scary as it was, man ive never had such a rush in my life !!!

theres your problem, tapping the brake or slowing down in a corner, throws the balance of the car....

[joey_205]

yea. im just a shit driver i guess. its a learning curve tho....

[Connor_scotland]

you learn from your mistakes matey

[Clouds_mate]

Personally iv never driven a sack of shit so i cant compare it to my saxo. Sorry.

[Connor_scotland]

i reckon a sack of shit wouldnt handle to well

what do you think Leckie

[joey_205]

lol yea, i imagined it wouldnt, but hey ive never had a thread this big.. title must be doing something... maybe offending ??

[srcnix]

Ouch, you got any bruises?

Try not to race about, will save you from those issues.

[sshaxx]

Personally iv never driven a sack of shit so i cant compare it to my saxo. Sorry.

was thinking the same thing

[mick2404]

funny thing hapened tonight, racing about as you do, comin out of teesside park, coming round a bend the car totally spins out. so im sat there in the middle of a 4 lane dual cariage way with 4 cars flyin at me, one swerves of the the right the other smashes into the curb, luckily i knew the lad and there was no damage what so ever, im lucky as f**k really. ill remeber not to tap the brake and slow down next time !!!

anyone els had any near mises liek this ?? are saxo's popular for spining out ??


as scary as it was, man ive never had such a rush in my life !!!

I think your mediocre driving skills may have ALOT to do with that....

[joey_205]

okay michael schumacher

[mick2404]

okay michael schumacher

Thanks :)

I knew my driving was excellent, but that's just made my day :)

:bored: :bored: :bored: :bored:

[joey_205]

wehey.. thats what im here for. your comment also just made my day.. i thought my driving skills where shit.. ive moved up a notch im now mediocre...

lets have a party.

[CampDavid]

Always accelerate into corners, you won't spin.

BTW, the VTS is one of the best handling cars ever made. Certainly in the top 25

[Karl]

lol; dude.you gotta start somewhere but perhaps its best not to go nuts on a public road

[hesslevtr]

Always accelerate into corners, you won't spin.

BTW, the VTS is one of the best handling cars ever made. Certainly in the top 25



that will be fwd cars im guessing

[CampDavid]

that will be fwd cars im guessing

Nope, handling, not grip remember. The 106 GTI came second to the Ferrari 550 back in 98 in Top Gears handling test

[joey_205]

yea i think i just wont go fast nomore. ill drive sensible. hands 10 to 2... feed the wheel..

[CampDavid]

either do that or find out wy you spun (I've told you twice)

Spinning on the road is a lot nastier than on a track, only takes one lamp post/ditch/small child

[Tupps]

:gives: About this thread

[yorkie]

saxos do not handle that well!!!
i do not think so

[saxodan]

I allways thought my saxo handles pefectly!
I have only had one kind of slip in it! I was doing 40 round a sharpish corner and the road was extremeley wet, nob head i know and the car kind or went out a little then wobbled and straitend up! Noting major i had it controlled lol

Other than that i have allways gripped the road perfectly.

[R4T]

you stupid fool,you cant even drive your car

[craig180]

Fool! Saxos are one of the finest handling small sars ever produced. Either your car is knackered or your driving style is!

[Barry123]

saxos do not handle that well!!!
i do not think so

gotta disagree man

Even mine handles rather nicely - certainly since whacking on the 15's.

[CampDavid]

slammed to the ground they handle very poorly. Standard, or close to standard, they are emence

[Robbo]

i thought they were ment to handle better when there slammed?

[Clouds_mate]

Think i need to raise my rear end (car) soon. Country roads are awful

[CampDavid]

thats what people say, however handling is subjective so there is no right or wrong.

Those that say it handles better when slammed though are, IMO, blinded by the extra grip. feedback is greatly reduced.

Grip and handling are two totally different things

[Clouds_mate]

motorways and roads are fine. Altho a stiff ride.


Country roads - scary as hell. You try to brake while bouncing its fucking aweful and scray as shit.

[hellonpluto]

funny thing hapened tonight, racing about as you do, comin out of teesside park, coming round a bend the car totally spins out. so im sat there in the middle of a 4 lane dual cariage way with 4 cars flyin at me, one swerves of the the right the other smashes into the curb, luckily i knew the lad and there was no damage what so ever, im lucky as f**k really. ill remeber not to tap the brake and slow down next time !!!

anyone els had any near mises liek this ?? are saxo's popular for spining out ??


as scary as it was, man ive never had such a rush in my life !!!

I rolled my old VTR in to a field after the back end went. I turned in to the skid and tried to power out but there was a car coming the other way so had to let off the power which made things very bad!!! Hence rolling in to a field! :shock:

If car was not coming the other way I probably would have powered out of it. Braking can be the worst thing to do!

[CampDavid]

I rolled my old VTR in to a field after the back end went. I turned in to the skid and tried to power out but there was a car coming the other way so had to let off the power which made things very bad!!! Hence rolling in to a field! :shock:

If car was not coming the other way I probably would have powered out of it. Braking can be the worst thing to do!

If its that far gone then they are a cunt to catch when lowered.

[craig180]

Definitely need to get a balance of good grip and low centre of gravity. I found lowering my old vtr on standard shocks was also a very bad idea!

[sean_rae]

Nope, handling, not grip remember. The 106 GTI came second to the Ferrari 550 back in 98 in Top Gears handling test

i remeber this but im sure it was a porka 911 but :gives:

[sean_rae]

i thought they were ment to handle better when there slammed?

NOPE! they are to stiff so end up boucin across the road :thumbup:

[CampDavid]

i remeber this but im sure it was a porka 911 but :gives:

Nope. They said the porsche was shit and gave it 8th place. Which is wrong

[sean_rae]

stand corrected then :thumbup:

[CampDavid]

NOPE! they are to stiff so end up boucin across the road :thumbup:

Sorry to keep correcting you....

its more that they are too soft, the suspension on most lowered saxos still opperates at the standard spring rate, meaning that the suspension runs out of travel and hits the bumpstop a lot (bump stop lotto)

Even when springs are up'd the torsion bars at the back rarely are, loosing balance.

[williamsvts]

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funny thing hapened tonight, racing about as you do, comin out of teesside park, coming round a bend the car totally spins out. so im sat there in the middle of a 4 lane dual cariage way with 4 cars flyin at me, one swerves of the the right the other smashes into the curb, luckily i knew the lad and there was no damage what so ever, im lucky as f**k really. ill remeber not to tap the brake and slow down next time !!!

anyone els had any near mises liek this ?? are saxo's popular for spining out ??


as scary as it was, man ive never had such a rush in my life !!!

lol, cant be arsed to read the rest of the thread but i think it'll be a combo of shit driver/shit suspension/shit tyres.

[saxo_vtr1234]

saxos handle well good french go-carts you where just driveing like a fanny maybe you hit a bit of derv on the road

[sean_rae]

Sorry to keep correcting you....

its more that they are too soft, the suspension on most lowered saxos still opperates at the standard spring rate, meaning that the suspension runs out of travel and hits the bumpstop a lot (bump stop lotto)

Even when springs are up'd the torsion bars at the back rarely are, loosing balance.

:oops: its ok ! :gives:

[Ant_Jackson]

atleast this didnt happen
http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1158751854/Citroens_Wheels_Fall_Off

thanks to andy for vid :P



no probs :P

Looks like another L.A.D special ..........:fcuk:

[Mystic]

motorways and roads are fine. Altho a stiff ride.


Country roads - scary as hell. You try to brake while bouncing its fucking aweful and scray as shit.

haha yep, raise it up!

I acctually dont wanna raise mine, look so nice:upset:
Gonna get uprated shockers n springs n rid the sport cat for a straight through pipe. wanna keep it quite low now :P

[fredjudd]

205 - widow maker, they are insane when close to the limit. the one i have driven round a track was mental. Saxos are so bad just dont push your luck.

[saxooxas]

I think weve all done stuff and thought shit that was close, i thought my saxo handled good even though the power steering was broke and it felt like pulling a sack of bricks one way or another....lol you were just lucky

[joey_205]

yeA, thiking about it now i cant belive how lucky i am to get away without injuring someone or even damaging my car in anyway. ive definately learnt my lesson aswel as how to handle it if it ever hapens again, thanks to you guy's. new set of alloys and tyres on the way tomoro so hopefully shudnt hapen again.. definately an experience tho, i thik i can safefully say i wont be pushing the limits again.

[Robbo]

good lad!