ECU

[Steve]

to help me find out if i have a 90 bhp or 98 bhp will someone take a photo or describe what these 3 plugs look like please..... as i am thick and don't know!

[Steve]

:bump:

[Josh_Phipps]

What reg is your car?

[Steve]

x reg.... but people saying some x's have the 90 some have the 98

[Steve]

one post said only up to w reg is the 90bhp...
Just calculated my mpg getting around 38 with a canny bit of the old foot glued to the floor!

[ets2k9]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/ets2k9/09062006.jpg

That a single plug ECU (its like a scart lead connection) a three plug will have three indicidual leads going into it.

If it doesn't look like that you have a 3 plug.

[Steve]

al go take a picture show off my dirty bay! brb

[Steve]

off topic but quickly reccommend me a free image hosting site! photos took!

[Josh_Phipps]

yours is the 98bhp m8

V reg was the last 90 bhp saxos,

[Josh_Phipps]

imageshack.us

[Ryan]

if the cat is on the downpipe its 98
under car 90.

2000 was the last made single plug ecu for vtr.

v reg was not the last.

I have a W plate single plug, and a chrissaxo had an X plate which IRC was that to.

[Steve]

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/461/p1010012pl8.th.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010012pl8.jpg)

this is us

[Steve]

p.s how long is that photo on imageshack for? didnt have to register or out just said welcome saxperience user!

[Josh_Phipps]

Its 98bhp

[Josh_Phipps]

yours is the 98bhp m8

V reg was the last 90 bhp saxos,

..........................

[Scott]

looks 90bhp cant see the cat in the manifold, however go take the plastic cover off the ecu so we can see the plug(s)

[Ryan]

remove the cover for the ecu so we can see it

Altho looks single plug, inlet looks 90bhp and so does the oil dip stick position.

you have 90bhp and single plug IMO

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps
yours is the 98bhp m8

V reg was the last 90 bhp saxos,
..........................

WRONG!......

[ets2k9]

remove the cover for the ecu so we can see it

Its going well :)

[Ryan]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/DSCN0188.jpg

pic of a W plate.

[Steve]

ecu box the little black box on the right of the engine bay i? clueless me :fcuk:

[Ryan]

cat is under the car, and oil level stick id to the side of the manifold.

[Josh_Phipps]

M8 get a pic of the ecu

[Steve]

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/586/11111dw9.th.jpg (http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11111dw9.jpg)

this is us... again

[Scott]

thats the fuse box, eco on the left hand side of the car as your looking at it

[Steve]

that is what you wanted yeah?

[Steve]

that is what you wanted yeah?


no would be the answer! tell me where it is lol :oops:

[Steve]

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/586/11111dw9.th.jpg (http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11111dw9.jpg)

this is us... again


lovely looking fuse box though!

[Ryan]

its the box by the side of the engine. its a plastic cover that just pops off...

has a kind of cross pattern on the plastic.

[Steve]

ok al go back down stairs again... dads asking wtf am doing haha brb

[Josh_Phipps]

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1539/mk290bhpengineah4.jpg

[ets2k9]

Here's a pic of my 3 plug

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/ets2k9/STA40079.jpg

[Josh_Phipps]

I thought x - was a 98bhp setup

[Steve]

and again! 4lbs lighter and out of breath! is this it?

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/2922/ecu1fc0.th.jpg (http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ecu1fc0.jpg)

[Scott]

if its been sat around under registered you could get an 04 mk1 90bhp

[Steve]

bollocks do i need to run down and unplug it? what will happen if i unplug the sod?

[Scott]

90 bhp, single plug

[Ryan]

http://public.fotki.com/NewboyVtr/my_cars/my_vtr-1/rest_in_pieces/photo-0061.html

pic of 98bhp engine!!


told you that V was not the last

[Scott]

bollocks do i need to run down and unplug it? what will happen if i unplug the sod?

no its a single plug, 90bhp

[Josh_Phipps]

if its been sat around under registered you could get an 04 mk1 90bhp

Ahh theres a thought :P

[Steve]

no its a single plug, 90bhp


ahh bastard don't know whether to cry or what.... thanks for the help!

[ets2k9]

We got there in the end.

[Steve]

anybody want to buy a gold saxo then? :P

[Ryan]

ahh bastard don't know whether to cry or what.... thanks for the help!

you may have less bhp, 8! but IMO single plug ecu set ups people have less problems with, especially if they are modding, thinking about an engine conversion etc......

[Steve]

you may have less bhp, 8! but IMO single plug ecu set ups people have less problems with, especially if they are modding, thinking about an engine conversion etc......

do you not get better mpg out of the 98bhp? am getting 38ish at the moment with a lot of floot to flooring.... then choking it no more than 2k revs sometimes lol

[Josh_Phipps]

My mpg is F**king terrible on my 90bhp saxo, might just be my car though :p

[Steve]

fcuk this am going for a drive! well pissed! didnt do enough research before i bought the car! needs new radiator aswel... piece of shit! :evil:

[Steve]

and got to pay more tax! £175 or if i had waited 5 month would be £125....

[ets2k9]

What the weather like mate? Is it raining?

[Steve]

nope was... might of had some oversteer fun!

[ets2k9]

Its not all bad then.

[Ryan]

nope was... might of had some oversteer fun!


so you plan to wrap it round a tree soon then?

[Steve]

sell it!

[Scott]

i got 450 a tank out of my old vtr, best was 472 miles. I have yet to here of any 98bhp one doing anything near that

[Josh_Phipps]

What could be the causes of my petrol consumption being so terrible?

[Scott]

funked lambda sensor maybe, causing car to use limp home which basically chucks loads of fuel into the engine to keep it cool and not melt the pistons because the ecu has no idea whats going on within the engine

[SteVTR]

sell it!


your going to sell it because its 8bhp (that no one really ever notices anyway) down on what you thought it was :fcuk:

mate you need your head looking at :P

[Steve]

it was a joke lol

[Steve]

am only keeping it 10 months anyway i think then see what insurance is like on a vts....

[Steve]

although i have a 90bhp is it easier to de-cat?

[Ryan]

yes its alot easyer to de cat.

[SteVTR]

yeah it is because you dont have to change the manifold you just take the cat pipe out and put a normal piece of pipe where the cat was

[Steve]

sweet suppose there is a bonus to this... i have stopped crying now lol

[Josh_Phipps]

yea a hell of alot easier, means you dont have to change the manifold for mot time

[Steve]

sweet... do you see lot of difference from de-catin? lets get this mod done! recommend me a de-cat pipe... cheap obviously!

[Josh_Phipps]

Magnex de-cat pipe about £55... When i fitted mine its not a massive difference but i felt my car rev'd free-er also sounded alot nicer :P

[Ryan]

ive got a great de cat...

£600 worth :p

called a BTB :P

[Josh_Phipps]

Lol BTB is the way forward

[Steve]

does the car just need jacking up then take the cat out? put taht pipe in place? what's the best diameter? and does the mid silencer stay there?

[Ryan]

Lol BTB is the way forward


hence why i own 2 :P

[Ryan]

does the car just need jacking up then take the cat out? put taht pipe in place? what's the best diameter? and does the mid silencer stay there?

id recommend getting the expansion chamber one from magnex, think it was for the 106xsi, as you need a front box IMO on a NA tuned car.

and yes it will keep the mid box.

[Josh_Phipps]

Yes the De-cat will just drop out, ive made a little diagram for you below lol as i was bored... That should explain all

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2644/decatdiagramsmallcb9.png

The second clamp is an O clamp, The first clamp being 2 springs.... Loosen both clamps and the cat will fall out. Replace with de-cat, tighten springs off you go

[Steve]

Yes the De-cat will just drop out, ive made a little diagram for you below lol as i was bored... That should explain all

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2644/decatdiagramsmallcb9.png

The second clamp is an O clamp, The first clamp being 2 springs.... Loosen both clamps and the cat will fall out. Replace with de-cat, tighten springs off you go

thank you very much for that! rep given for effort! recommend me a cheap pipe! want perfromance all the way! suppose a good sound aswel :P

[Ryan]

thank you very much for that! rep given for effort! recommend me a cheap pipe! want perfromance all the way! suppose a good sound aswel :P

as i said try and find the magnex with the silencer.

it A : helps performance (im not going to explain)
and B: looks better if the police check under the car.

[Steve]

as i said try and find the magnex with the silencer.

it A : helps performance (im not going to explain)
and B: looks better if the police check under the car.

okie dokie... or i might get a fully system! when it had its mot there is a "minor leak of exhaust gases at the front of the system"
and the pipe after teh mid silencer before the exhaust looks though its about to go as very rusty on the bends!

[Ryan]

a full system is usually cat back!

[Ryan]

only a few are manifold back, if you use a system for a manifold (cat) 98bhp car you can de cat, but will not be able to get through an mot without changing the whole system,

[Steve]

so you think i should get cat-back system? not worth getting a 4 -1 manifold?

[Josh_Phipps]

Yea m8 you should get a cat back system, Alot of people he would recomend you get a magnex system but as i dont have any experience with them i can really advise you that way... i personally recomend custom. You will proberly pay £50 more but in my opinion worth it, ive got a custom and have no regrets + m8 the cat is a piece of piss to replace when it comes to mot so dont be shy to stick a de-cat in :P

[Steve]

al do some pricing! try ebay right now go go go... jesus been on sax-p for 2 and a half hours lol

[Josh_Phipps]

Lol and this thread has dragged on for 4 PAGES!

[Steve]

5 pages and its totally off topic now haha
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CITROEN-SAXO-SUPERSPRINT-EXHAUST-DE-CAT-VTR-VTS-1-4_W0QQitemZ270040302720QQihZ017QQcategoryZ38786QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270040 302720

that any good is that all the way back to the backbox?

[Ryan]

Yea m8 you should get a cat back system, Alot of people he would recomend you get a magnex system but as i dont have any experience with them i can really advise you that way... i personally recomend custom. You will proberly pay £50 more but in my opinion worth it, ive got a custom and have no regrets + m8 the cat is a piece of piss to replace when it comes to mot so dont be shy to stick a de-cat in :P



quite the opposite id never go custom. they are usually shite work, are not the correct pipe diameter etc.... do they ever run a custom on a dyno>>>?? no..

only for of custom exhaust id do is btb, H engeneering etc... your looking for little change from £1400 custom there.

magnex are good for the money.

[Steve]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAXO-1-4-VTR-STAINLESS-STEEL-DE-CAT-PIPES_W0QQitemZ270042451360QQihZ017QQcategoryZ3878 6QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item27 0042451360

or is that any good?

[Ryan]

if you use the supersprint you will have to change the exhaust for mot

[Ryan]

plus ebay isnt the best place to look IMO

[Josh_Phipps]

Whats wrong with custopm m8, I need reasons , Ive got custom and cannot fault it, Its made to how i want it, how loud i want it, how i want it too look... Ive had Peco, Ashley, Powerflow and so far Powerflow is the best, i felt no decrease in performance.. Not that a Cat back system actually gives you any increase in the first place..

[Steve]

or this lol

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Citroen-Saxo-Magnex-Decat-Pipe_W0QQitemZ110045337514QQihZ001QQcategoryZ38786 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110045337514

[Steve]

plus ebay isnt the best place to look IMO

just browsing ebay first you know any sites for de cats?

[Ryan]

as i stated, about the bores...

pooerflow, seen nothing but faults in the system, cheap steel etc....

hence why i have a btb plus a different manifold (hopefully one from simpson funds permitting)

different pipe diameters plus restrictions will change the performance of the car etc... especially the front box!

custom is for show queens!

[Steve]

what about this lovely piece of pipe?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAGNEX-XCRPC01-R1-01-DE-CAT-EXHAUST-106-SAXO_W0QQitemZ170041142064QQihZ007QQcategoryZ38786 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170041142064

[Josh_Phipps]

This is what i have, Cant fault it

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAXO-VTR-VTS-106-RALLYE-GTI-EXHAUST-MAGNEX-DE-CAT-PIPE_W0QQitemZ230040538218QQihZ013QQcategoryZ10376 QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

[Ryan]

and peco and ashely are wank!

if you had a decent system to begin with you would be able to tell!

[Josh_Phipps]

I only use a backbox from powerflow, Whats the run down off your car, mods wise?

[Steve]

as i stated, about the bores...

pooerflow, seen nothing but faults in the system, cheap steel etc....

hence why i have a btb plus a different manifold (hopefully one from simpson funds permitting)

different pipe diameters plus restrictions will change the performance of the car etc... especially the front box!

custom is for show queens!

helpful guy cant rep you got to spread the joy it said before i can!

[Ryan]

YOU NEED THE FRONT BOX ON A NA CAR!!!

the first box is the most important part of the system, for performance, just putting a pipe in is not allways the best idea! hence why ive said get one which is a box not a pipe.

[Steve]

what about this lovely piece of pipe?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAGNEX-XCRPC01-R1-01-DE-CAT-EXHAUST-106-SAXO_W0QQitemZ170041142064QQihZ007QQcategoryZ38786 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170041142064

is that not what you have josh_philips

[Ryan]

which car?

2 have btbs
a vtr with just btb and a procomp

and
a 16 on 40mm tbs with cup cams, 4-2-1 manifold, s1 rallye gearbox and btb etc...

[Steve]

YOU NEED THE FRONT BOX ON A NA CAR!!!

the first box is the most important part of the system, for performance, just putting a pipe in is not allways the best idea! hence why ive said get one which is a box not a pipe.

just browsing... you got any links

[Josh_Phipps]

Stevey i dont think Itsafastworld knows what hes on about when it comes to custom systems.. What the hell are you going on about different bore size, they just make it fit your middle pipe, tehy dont mess around with it mate... have you actually had a custom system or you just going by what a few people have said to you?

[Josh_Phipps]

The VTR with just a BTB and pro comp seems a bit of waste/ Ive been told you need big specs to make a BTB worth while

[Ryan]

Stevey i dont think Itsafastworld knows what hes on about when it comes to custom systems.. What the hell are you going on about different bore size, they just make it fit your middle pipe, tehy dont mess around with it mate... have you actually had a custom system or you just going by what a few people have said to you?

my point exactly just made to fit your middle pipe!

you do realise that different bores give different gains in performance, which is why most turbo cars run 2.5 bore at least. usually 3"

I had a powerflow on my track car when i bought it, needless to say it was removed soon!

just making it fit a std saxo center pipe is not a full system is it?? its just a backbox welded on!

also a firend has a pooerflow on a 180bhp saxo on tbs!! ive seen the quality of the work (or lack of it) and he/ the company who installed it also comment on how bad it is, and how its restricting his engine!

[Ryan]

The VTR with just a BTB and pro comp seems a bit of waste/ Ive been told you need big specs to make a BTB worth while

i was planning on charging the vtr.
as you know how rare a btb is to get hold of i got it when i saw it cheap!

and a BTB is probably overbored for a std vtr!

it has improved fuel economy tho lol

[Ryan]

build quality wise id also say its worth it :P

[Steve]

ignore this

[Ryan]

same reason as to why a 4-1 manifold will have different gains to a 4-1 etc...

the breathing system on a car is not just a case of whacking on anything and expecting it to all do the same job LOL

[Josh_Phipps]

my point exactly just made to fit your middle pipe!

you do realise that different bores give different gains in performance, which is why most turbo cars run 2.5 bore at least. usually 3"

I had a powerflow on my track car when i bought it, needless to say it was removed soon!

just making it fit a std saxo center pipe is not a full system is it?? its just a backbox welded on!

also a firend has a pooerflow on a 180bhp saxo on tbs!! ive seen the quality of the work (or lack of it) and he/ the company who installed it also comment on how bad it is, and how its restricting his engine!


Yea he obv went to a bad Powerflow dealership as there are many around.. A btb to my knowledge is a 3" bore thats why there best suited to turbo and supercharged cars and seem a waste for poor spec saxos tbh, but if you found one going cheap then fair play, i also do know that they are becoming rarer..

Also It isnt a standard centre pipe
Pro-tech 4-2-1 Manifold
Magnex De-Cat
Ashley Center Pipe
Powerflow Backbox
Green Forced Air Induction Kit

I also have smaller mods like Ported n Polished T/B,

Im not going to fight with you m8 as your intitled to your own opinion and i respect that but alot of people on here find custom exhausts very good and im one of them, again my opinion, Ofc as i own one im not really gonig to slate it, i will stick up for it :P

[SteVTR]

Stevey i dont think Itsafastworld knows what hes on about when it comes to custom systems.. What the hell are you going on about different bore size, they just make it fit your middle pipe, tehy dont mess around with it mate... have you actually had a custom system or you just going by what a few people have said to you?


custom does nothing for you performancewise mate i've had the misfortune of a powerflow exhaust and it was shite the quality of the stainless was shit and the quality of the workmanship on it was even worse,like itsafastworld said custom exhausts are for show queens

they feed you all this bullshit about it been built for you etc and its a load of shit the only type of custom exhast i'd go for is something down the lines of a btb where it is tried and tested and has proven gains

[Josh_Phipps]

EDIT: I have shite fuel consumption lol.... No idea why either :)

[Steve]

some interesting points much appriciated!

[Josh_Phipps]

Omg SteVTR i didnt say it gave me performance i said i didnt feel no performance decrease... Ive got a good Topgear dealership near me and until something goes wrong with my backbox i cannot fault it, does that sound fair?

[Steve]

recommend me a de-cat with a front box please :P
i admit i know fuck all... this is all interesting! started from me wanting to know if i had a 90bhp lol :oops:

[Ryan]

Yea he obv went to a bad Powerflow dealership as there are many around.. A btb to my knowledge is a 3" bore thats why there best suited to turbo and supercharged cars and seem a waste for poor spec saxos tbh, but if you found one going cheap then fair play, i also do know that they are becoming rarer..

Also It isnt a standard centre pipe
Pro-tech 4-2-1 Manifold
Magnex De-Cat
Ashley Center Pipe
Powerflow Backbox
Green Forced Air Induction Kit

I also have smaller mods like Ported n Polished T/B,

Im not going to fight with you m8 as your intitled to your own opinion and i respect that but alot of people on here find custom exhausts very good and im one of them, again my opinion, Ofc as i own one im not really gonig to slate it, i will stick up for it :P



youve proved your wrong again, 1stly over the v plate being the last 90bhp model and now the btb! go on gmc and find out what the bore is! its not 3" :P

and the de cat is just a standard pipe being put in. there is no silncer box in the link is there???

your saying custom exhausts are good for what??

im stating that most will not be good for performance etc..

[Josh_Phipps]

I aint got no front box lol, but i spose me saying this will give Itsafastworld something else to slate me about.

[Ryan]

custom does nothing for you performancewise mate i've had the misfortune of a powerflow exhaust and it was shite the quality of the stainless was shit and the quality of the workmanship on it was even worse,like itsafastworld said custom exhausts are for show queens

they feed you all this bullshit about it been built for you etc and its a load of shit the only type of custom exhast i'd go for is something down the lines of a btb where it is tried and tested and has proven gains

thankyou someone who knows what they are talking about!

[Ryan]

only i maker i know of does a decat pipe with a box init ,as it should have ,as the first box postion is the most important thing as far as tuning the system is concerned, and that maker is discontinuig it ,why cos at £90 ,no one wants one when they can buy a decat at £45-50


a comment there from john of gmc motorsport about the front box.

[Josh_Phipps]

SteVTR i know what your saying about the BTB and for the money you spend out you would expect gains, but some people cant justify spend £600 on a exhaust

[Ryan]

as i said before i think its a magnex for the 106xsi which has the expansion chamber, or maybe mongoose did one to. theyre not cheap tho.

[Steve]

as i said before i think its a magnex for the 106xsi which has the expansion chamber, or maybe mongoose did one to. theyre not cheap tho.

cheers

[SteVTR]

SteVTR i know what your saying about the BTB and for the money you spend out you would expect gains, but some people cant justify spend £600 on a exhaust

and for the money people waste getting a custom exhaust you could get a piper or magnex which both have better build quality than a powerflow, most powerflow backboxes and systems i've seen arent even stainless steel all the way through which make them even worse for the money they charge

if your happy with your custom exhaust then fairplay mate i know i'd rather have a well built exhaust that wont cause me any problems and that when fitted with other performance mods will help rather than hinder performance thats why i'm agreeing custom exhausts arent the best