1.1 Box on a VTS

[Karl]

outcome please?

[S34MER]

pretty sure it won't be as good as the VTS box , there more or less the same box, its just the VTS' final drive which is different, so top end won't be as good as it would with a VTS box!

[Karl]

but ill still be able to do 60 in 2nd etc?

[SNewham]

1.1 box will give good acceleration however, wont give as good top speed.

Someone suggest a 106 rallye box is good because it gives best of both worlds but I don't know if that's true or not.

[rushy_23]

LOL! Ah man,
not sure if you will be able to do 60 in second but maybe that has something to
do with why your original box died lol!

Get the car running mate, just get a VTS box lol!

[rushy_23]

1.1 box will give good acceleration however, wont give as good top speed.

Someone suggest a 106 rallye box is good because it gives best of both worlds but I don't know if that's true or not.

1.3 Rallye boxes are uber rare, and plus when you do get one imagine the condition.
Will require a total refurb if possible!

[Karl]

...I cant afford the 250 quid atm mate...
VTS are meant to do 60 in second ;)

[Karl]

1.3 Rallye boxes are uber rare, and plus when you do get one imagine the condition.
Will require a total refurb if possible!

yeah was quoted 1k with straight cut gears. no ty

[Karl]

its just im winning a 1.1 box for 27 quid ;)

[S34MER]

60 in second haha yeah you will mate!

[SNewham]

VTS are meant to do 60 in second ;)

haha I wont debate that. I'd stick with the VTS box to be honest mate, :afro:


but there's no harm in trying out the 1.1 box and seeing what kind of effect it has. Especially if it is that cheap :thumbup:

[Karl]

s34mer. I dont know if your taking the mick but VTS do 60 in second.

[Karl]

I was just curious as im most likely going to have a 1.1 box as I cant afford an S box at this moment in time...

[S34MER]

s34mer. I dont know if your taking the mick but VTS do 60 in second.

yeah no shit, i was just laughing at your comment! :P

pretty much any car can do 60 in second with the right mods!

[rushy_23]

They can do 60 in second but I would make that your main concern!

Keeping the car in good condition and running properly should be top of the
list bud!
Speed is nice but it costs :P

[Karl]

yeah..i know, hopefully the 1.1 box will last :P

[MrBirdPoo]

Looking at it from the other perspective. Would putting a VTS gearbox in my 1.1i raise the top speed of my car?

Or just make it take a hell of a lot longer to accelerate in 5th gear.

[S34MER]

Looking at it from the other perspective. Would putting a VTS gearbox in my 1.1i raise the top speed of my car?

Or just make it take a hell of a lot longer to accelerate in 5th gear.


I would allow your car to achieve a greater top end, but you would need the power to get a greater top end, tbh you won't get more than 100mph in a 1.1, even with a few mods, although the limiter will tell you otherwise, but we all know their not accurate!

[Scott]

only 2 mph difference between the vts box and 1.1 box top speed

[Mystic]

There u go then soulless, 1.1 box is fine ;)

[S34MER]

only 2 mph difference between the vts box and 1.1 box top speed

really is that all? im not saying i don't believe you but, how do you know that?

[Mystic]

really is that all? im not saying i don't believe you but, how do you know that?

Havent you noticed... hes an admin... Duh!

PS. Iv always thought it was a much more significant gap too ;)

[Karl]

Get in! someone said the diff is much weaker tho...?

[S34MER]

there the same strength, all saxo boxes are!

[Karl]

really!?! 49 quid, lets hope it fits :D

[williamsvts]

pretty sure it won't be as good as the VTS box , there more or less the same box, its just the VTS' final drive which is different, so top end won't be as good as it would with a VTS box!

nothing the same inside them at all. smaller diff, different cluster and different final drive ratio. but as it has both different final drive ratio and a different cluster set the actual gear ratios work out very close to the vts'.
vts box would be best though.

[Scott]

really is that all? im not saying i don't believe you but, how do you know that?

Real speed calculator, premium member tool:P

[Karl]

Scott - you are a legend at this Saxo stuff mate + rep for you. but in your opinion, will it be Ok to run this 1.1 box?

[Scott]

yes it will be ok

[Karl]

x MWAH! thanks Scott! (in a non homo way)

[SteveMcGee]

my vtr does 38 in 1st and 61 or 62 in 2nd

[Mystic]

my vtr does 38 in 1st and 61 or 62 in 2nd

I hope youv raised the limiter then. Otherwise someone delete that post sharpish! and SteveMcGee do a search about what you just said ;)

[Scott]

Standard vtr does 31.5mph in first, 59.5mph in second.

[throttleboy]

i have vtr with 1.1 box couldnt afford vtr box at the time.

good points
. faster acceleration 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th
. feels faster
.cheap to replace
. seems to live'n the car up a bit!
. i left two vtr's sitting on take off and kept up with vts until 65 mph
bad points
. first gear lasts prob bout 1 sec
. tops out at bout 115 but will be more in vts as limiter is set higher prob 120 (estimate)
. less mpg
. high revs wen cruizin in 5th
. always changing gear!

for that price it will do until you can afford vts box, and 1.1 box acceleration powered by vts lump is fun! good luck mate!

[shaggers_saxvtr]

............*shakes head* Will only be good IF it is the right box as there are two different types of box - alth the same inside, the top linkage is different, my VTR was the more common type of box and Ive just replaced my second box in under a year of having the sax!! The top linkage that sits on the top of the box and goes down towards tha back cannot be changed that easily - therfore u need to check its gunna fit!!

[shaggers_saxvtr]

I also had a 1.1 box in my VTR

Good acceleration but looses it at end of 3rd/into 4th gear where another vtr (if racing) would begin to catch up.
You also have les top end, running 45 profile 15" tyres my top end was 117 and with 55profile tyres on 15" rims i got to 127 before limiting (On sat Nav.)
But yes, you sit doing 70 at silly revs..! Cant imagine how quick you will have to change gear in 1st n' 2nd lol!

[lavo-vts]

different diff aswell lets not forget the small things

[beardy]

want 2 by my old 1999 VTR box?

[Simo]

Ive had a 1.1 box in my VTS around Bruntingthorpe and Silverstone... and its not died yet! It will die in a few months mind :P

I couldnt pick up a vts box last time i changed... I was in a mega rush. £50 for a 1.1 box, or £200+ for a VTS box... the way my car chews through them I may stick with 1.1 boxes :P

[throttleboy]

True!!

[SAM33R]

mate i would just stick to the VTS box...

[williamsvts]

simo - what exactly does your car kill in the 'boxs? have you got an ATB diff?

[Simo]

simo - what exactly does your car kill in the 'boxs? have you got an ATB diff?

Crown wheel always peels off... thought about welding on, but gonna transfer the problem further down the line. :err:

[rozhkov]

your turbo must put right strain on the gears......on that thought,
do you recon you can get/make a 4x4 sax?

[williamsvts]

woudl an ATB or LSD not take some of the strain away though?

[rozhkov]

it might in a standard sax,but in a turbo

[rozhkov]

would still eat them

[don55]

1.1 box is longer than a vts.

vts will be faster everyhwere, citroen didnt make difernet ratios for fun, they did it to match the engine, limiter and power band, so id stick with it.

as said 1.3 rallye boxes are uber rare, but fast, stupid really unless on track/sprints.

i hade a 1360 box on my vtr, but it was from a 93 xsi, and is "nearly" as short as the 1.3 rallye, my vtr topped out, hitting the limiter at 105mph.

need i say more.

[Simo]

always been a bit cautious of fitting uprated box and diff.. as if that does blow (and they can) its a really expensive trial :err:

[rozhkov]

nope but if you only do "THE SPEED LIMIT" then the 0 to 70 in less time than a normal box with a rallye then its far the better with than without

[rozhkov]

yes simo,no one wants a 2 grand box :flamed: and grilled unless you had f**k loads of cash,but even then if you actully had the cash then you would not have a shitrun

[don55]

not really as at 70 you will be doin 5k revs, and using a shit load of fuel, wich IMO is a bad thing for my wallet and the environment .

but yes, as out and out track slag then yer its faster, but for road id not like to have ti, been there done that.

[williamsvts]

nothing wrong with citroen. if thats the case why spend any money atall on your saxo when you could buy a 'better' car?

[don55]

williams of ssc ?

[rozhkov]

nothing wrong with citroen. if thats the case why spend any money atall on your saxo when you could buy a 'better' car?

as soon as mine is bk on the road im selling to get a pulsar gti-r,coz there shit hot lol,but the sax id ratha get rid off

[williamsvts]

yes its williams off ssc.

thing is most pulsars are high mileage now and need a lot of TLC.

[don55]

and the jap

hey buddy im hopuing to be back on ssc in the mornign as its been a wek.

[williamsvts]

you been banned?

[don55]

yup

in faglex's BOO thread, my missus was signed in under me and posted gay porn. like pics edited of me with a cock in my mouth, yer id really do that to myself, obviously the fucking mods couldn't see it wasn't me, fucking cunts.

[don55]

oh and im after

a front passanger arch, and a front bumper, mabe some door cards too the oustide ones, also mabe some reach arches.

[williamsvts]

its hard to get front body panels. most saxo's that are in the beakers have front end damage.

[GreenSaxo]

its hard to get front body panels. most saxo's that are in the beakers have front end damage.

thats why everyone should take advantage of your brake deals ;)

[williamsvts]

exactly :P

[Billog_VTR]

Sorry for cutting to the chase fellas, least I had the sense to do a search for a recent post! Anyways after a quick read i'm guessing people who have posted in this thread have had 1.1 boxes in both vtr and vts engines.

I have a Vreg vtr and would like to put a 1.1 gearbox into it (primarily because of cost difference between 1.1 box and vtr box and secondly as my top end is fairly poor anyways, I like the sound of increased accelaration!)

What id like to know is regardless of changes in performance, do I need to change anything other than the box itself or will the clutch flywheel etc also need to come from a 1.1??

[CampDavid]

nope, box just drops in.

[Karl]

will let you know perhaps tonight..

[shaggers_saxvtr]

Sorry for cutting to the chase fellas, least I had the sense to do a search for a recent post! Anyways after a quick read i'm guessing people who have posted in this thread have had 1.1 boxes in both vtr and vts engines.

I have a Vreg vtr and would like to put a 1.1 gearbox into it (primarily because of cost difference between 1.1 box and vtr box and secondly as my top end is fairly poor anyways, I like the sound of increased accelaration!)

What id like to know is regardless of changes in performance, do I need to change anything other than the box itself or will the clutch flywheel etc also need to come from a 1.1??

Dont need to chnge anything mate. Only thing you may have to do is swap the speedo connection from ur old box onto the 1.1 box if they are different - Just check all the linkages are the same and you will be fine (some are different but can be changed). Nothing need be changed, all boxes are the same strength and basic fitment. Best of luck.

[Billog_VTR]

Hero mate! Needed an answer asap and a simple one at that!

Just made my day. Thankyou.

[Billog_VTR]

will let you know perhaps tonight..

You taking it on like mate?

[shaggers_saxvtr]

You taking it on like mate?

No probs mate, go get one and fit it!

We are putting a 1.1 box in soulless' VTS mate.

[Karl]

yeps!
and we believe shaggers had one in his R before ;D

[shaggers_saxvtr]

Yes. Must have been a 1.1 box - it topped out at 117mph before bouncing off the limiter!

[Karl]

Yes. Must have been a 1.1 box - it topped out at 117mph before bouncing off the limiter!

on a private piece of land might I add.

[shaggers_saxvtr]

Well where else....the M20?! Deary me ;)

[Karl]

note: fuel consumption will be worse with a 1.1 box.

[davew]

did you get it in tonight in the end?

[Steve]

bump an old thread, did you ever fit it?

[Yates]

the 1.1 box fits steve, but hes on about a saxo 1.1 and not a ax box

[Steve]

the 1.1 box fits steve, but hes on about a saxo 1.1 and not a ax box

i know it fits just want to knwo the outcome of it, ax and saxo box the same ;)

[Yates]

ah right, why not just fit it then, not much difference in them it seems

[Steve]

ah right, why not just fit it then, not much difference in them it seems

got a vts box on nd sync mesh is starting to go, got another s box in garage waying up the cost of it getting repaired :homme:

[stevenet15]

me and king karl had a bit or a race before, he had a vts engine with 1.1 box and i had a vts with vts box plus i had a passenger and a big heavy ice install and we were neck and neck so to be honest i didnt see his 1.1 box making his vts lump 0-60 any quicker due to the fact i was side by side and i had an extra person and more weight in my car and his top end speed was shite

[Karl]

prob down to the engine more than the box tbh,

Ive played with friends VTS and theres no difference, if not Im a bit quicker.

Honestly hardly noticable.

[Yates]

i was thinkin would be down to driver

[leeroybrown]

top end will be crap on a 1.1 box

[Karl]

only 2 mph difference between the vts box and 1.1 box top speed

......not that bad top end tbh Leeroy.

[Yates]

i know my mates 1.1 would get up to 115 but then with the vts being capable of more im sure it could take the limit higher

stil cant believe soulless commenting in somethin other than general chat

[Karl]

lol, its only because I actually have this on my car,
at 70 mph my needle is about 3,400rpm, yours will be very similar. :)

[Karl]

If it was legal, Id make a film of where my VTS gets to on the dials, just to prove :P

[leeroybrown]

PAP tbh

[Karl]

say what you want lol,
it still works fine,better than no box at all and Ive noticed no difference.

[leeroybrown]

Alright Craig ....oppsss i mean Karl

Keep your dummy in

[Karl]

lol,
you called my car pap though **cries**

[leeroybrown]

box i meant

Car is cool

Watched you clean it at traxs thinking am sure thats Karl

[Karl]

haha lol,

yeah :P sorry, was shy, always am. E-Warrior tbh thats about it.

In conclusion, Id rather have a VTS box as its a VTS i've got,
however my 1.1 box has lasted longer, doesnt seem to be a huge difference (or any noticable difference to me)
Still goes to around 65+ on dials in second so..*Shrugs*

[Joesnow]

Right @ 7250rpm… :geek:

VTS

1st – 35mph
2nd – 62mph
3rd – 89mph
4th – 115mph
5th – 142mph

1.1

1st – 33mph
2nd – 62mph
3rd – 87mph
4th – 109mph
5th – 145mph


So not much difference really in the gearing… think the main thing wrong with the 1.1 is the smaller diff? and the slightly longer 5th

[Karl]

Yes,
so hardly noticable like I said :)

ty for the info.

[Paul_Collins]

anyone got a 1.3 rallye box in a VTS?

[Karl]

a few people have, apparently best standard box to have

[Toad]

I've got the S1 version, it makes a shed load of difference. Even more so when it comes to negotiating many turns, as I have a better chance of keeping power "on cam" so to speak.

Those stats for the 1.1 look shyte. Avoid at all costs. As said, diff is poop.

Acceleration will be better with the S1 because the final drive is higher, simple mechanics / physics.

[Paul_Collins]

good good, bought one yesterday, should be fitted 2day now. should notice 153 ponies then ;)

S1 Box that is

[Redge-VTR]

MY VTR has a 1.1 box on it and its well fast accelration but top end is 105 110 (not down hill lol)
and u say there is only 2MPH diffrence??? stange i had a vts and had 140 out of it (NOT INSURED)

any 1 know what the top end of a standard vtr is with vtr box?
thanx Rich

[Joesnow]

A VTR has a 6250rpm limit so wont do as much as that… VTR boxes are the worst so anything’s a plus from that… on a 6250rph limit you should be toping out at about 125mph in 5th with standard tyres on with a 1.1 box…

Stock VTR will top out at about 142mph in 5th on stock rev limit… good luck finding a hill big enough…

Thos are the actual speeds btw calculated from the rpm, ratios and tyre size, not the indicated which are out on all saxos… A stock VTS will do an indicated 140mph… but in reality it’s only doing about 130

[DannyVTS]

Thread resurection

Is anyone who posted stating they had a rallye or 1.1 gearbox still active? And is the box still going??

Danny

[titchster]

I didn't have one back when this was started, but I had mine on from early/mid 2008 (8v until mid last year), and it's still attached to the 16v now, ready to go in a mate's car. That's having done a load of hard launches on the 1/4 mile, and a load of trackdays. All that it's got is a slight whine in 1st (which i'm adamant it had since I bought the box).