Buying a VTS Engine

[Salmon1]

Well im on the lookout for an Engine right now with under 50k miles.

I have a £1000 Budget and want a minter.

I will fit cams, TB's, etc.... whilst it is out the engine, with aim of having it fitted by end of January.

BUT, im confused as to which engine to go for, i.e- which year.

I have a Mark 2 98bhp 2002 VTR, Which VTS/GTI engine would fit in with least work and hassle?

Thanks

[Sean]

mk2 vts with 3 plug ecu is plug and play as far as i'm aware, tam (axo16v) from ssc is £750 delivered for a mint engine with everything needed for the conversion. that leaves you 250 to go towards your insurance.

edit- read your profile, you're 17. didnt you say you hadnt even/ only just passed your test? good luck getting a decent insurance quote on the vtr, let alone a throttle bodied vts.

[samcook]

have you not just passed your test? and your already wanting to do an engine coversion.

[Oli_P]

think its £850 including gearbox and delivery, insurance for a modded vtr would go with quinn as dont charge for body mods, but at a guess im guessing he will dodge declaring the engine as im sure he would of bought a VTS in the first place otherwise :S

[ets2k9]

You can have mine for a grand! :)

You'll find mk1's are packing some serious mileage so I'd agree with sean on the mk2 vts being the best bet.

/make sure you get everything associated with the engine though as it'll make life alot easier in the long run :)

[Oli_P]

not having a dig as i made the mistake with my first car and not declaring mods and crashed it but that was just body kit and alloys, but engine would be alot more hassle to keep hidden from insurance if you crashed

[Josh_Phipps]

What did the insurance inspector say when he came out and saw the car with the kit on lol, ????

[williamsvts]

there is some problems with getting around the immob on the 3 plugs. unless you get the ecu unlocked proffesionally. i hope your 1K budget isnt to include tb's aswell?
apart from thats its a straight swap. i did 1 a few weeks ago, 3 plug that is.

[Luke]

No offence mate, but forget the VTS engine.

[Oli_P]

ermm well most of the kitt and wheels had been sold, buckets and sound system sold aswell so basically just bare shell, unfortunately other drive was unisured and didnt have a license either and as my dad was driving and only covered 3rd party had to go through motor insurance bureau, but managed to get away with it but lesson has been learnt and i now declare anything incase not so lucky in the future , just saying though that bodykits can be swapped over but more hassle to do that with an engine if wasnt declared

[Josh_Phipps]

do u even have to declare window tints? lol sounds stupid but i dunno! :P

[Luke]

Declare everything.

[argylefan1985]

m8 what r u like, youve kitted out your vtr and your only 17 and havnt even passed your test yet, now you want to do a vts conversion for january, Why? Insurance companys will either do what everyone else is doing when they read this thread and piss there selves or just rape your wallet.

or you`l be a dick and dont declare it and then smash it up into someone and they wont be able to claim off your insurance.

[Josh_Phipps]

ermm well most of the kitt and wheels had been sold, buckets and sound system sold aswell so basically just bare shell, unfortunately other drive was unisured and didnt have a license either and as my dad was driving and only covered 3rd party had to go through motor insurance bureau, but managed to get away with it but lesson has been learnt and i now declare anything incase not so lucky in the future , just saying though that bodykits can be swapped over but more hassle to do that with an engine if wasnt declared

Take notice of this guy..

[Salmon1]

Why do you all resort to INSURANCE for everything, let me worry, i have someone in the insurance game sorting it all out LEGITIMATELY (well sort of, everything declared at least) ;).

Forget insurance for 2 minutes.

Thanks to the guys who answered my question, so i need a Mk2 VTS engine and it will be plug and play. On the lookout as i type.

Final Spec-

VTS Engine, Gearbox
Remap with Raised Limiter
Raceland Manifold
Straight through DeCat PugSport Peashooter (will sound MEAN, and having it custom tubed so backbox is totally hidden.)
Piper 285 Cams
Throttle Bodies


Will be complete for January, whether its in the motor is a different stroy.

I failed my test PURELY for not using Buslanes. My driving is good. But i have no experience, so will need to take it easy. Im sorta sensible...sometimes lol.

Resit is in 13 days.

[chloesax]

I failed my test PURELY for not using Buslanes. My driving is good. But i have no experience, so will need to take it easy. Im sorta sensible...sometimes lol.


which means you're sorta not sensible either. Strangely enough most people i've come across that have failed their test have failed because they PURELY didnt do something right.

Now... explain how the flyin hell are you are going to get it insured legally/legitimately with the extra mods too? Surely we can all benefit then yeah?!

[chloesax]

And good luck in your resist dude :)

[williamsvts]

Thanks to the guys who answered my question, so i need a Mk2 VTS engine and it will be plug and play. On the lookout as i type.

Final Spec-

VTS Engine, Gearbox
Remap with Raised Limiter
Raceland Manifold
Straight through DeCat PugSport Peashooter (will sound MEAN, and having it custom tubed so backbox is totally hidden.)
Piper 285 Cams
Throttle Bodies


with the 3 plug it wont be plug and play, ubless you get the ecu unlocked PROFESSIONALLY!!!!

and you will need standalone ecu with throttle bodie, which costs more as the looms are harder to make for 3 plugs.
why do you want a pugsport when it doesnt fit the saxo properly?

[hesslevtr]

think you need to sit down and think of the cost of these things
only way i can see you getting insured is puting your parents as the main driver and you an added driver

wasnt you selling the saxo soon anyway so why waste more money on it

[Salmon1]

Insurance, Its a bit dodgy, but were moving names about and having a few names on it in a family members business account insurance (LARGE company).

YEh ill be selling next november, which is why i want it done by end of january time.

Of course ill be getting it proffesionally unlocked.

PugSport- Cos they Sound AMAZING. End of Story. Im having my rear bumper smoothed in completely removing the standard exhaust cut out and having the pugsport totally out of sight.

[williamsvts]

so why not get an OMP group N? sound the same but fit properlly.
you kow how much all that work is going to cost?

[Luke]

I'm not having a go at you personally mate, but trust me don't run before you can walk.

I would never pass my test and then go straight to a Cammed, TB VTS Engine.

[Salmon1]

I never realised the OMP was the same, ohwell that will save me a lot of ahassle i guess.

Of course i know how much its going to cost, money aint a problem, noone belived my plans for the car, i done them all within a month, noone belive my plans for my install, again done in 5 weeks.

Im getting the engine as my xmas present.

labour and parts is what i need to buy


thanks for all help btw.

[williamsvts]

what suspension and brakes have you got?

[Salmon1]

GTI-6 brakes getting ordered this week.

Lowered 60mm front, 80 rear on springs.

Wil lchange to 50mm Coilovers when i drop VTS in.

[ets2k9]

Thats good xmas present I cant decide if your parents love you or hate you.

[hesslevtr]

can i ask why waste a lot of money so then sell it in less then a year

[ets2k9]

He doesn't seem to be paying for it so who cares.

[hesslevtr]

He doesn't seem to be paying for it so who cares.

argh the old spoilt child

[samcook]

Thats good xmas present I cant decide if your parents love you or hate you.

hahaha!

so how much money do you reckon this is all going to come to mate?

[Ryan]

He doesn't seem to be paying for it so who cares.

give him an hour after it is fitted before its wrapped around a tree.
as he wont have spent a penny so wont appreciate it.


for a start hes talking about engine work but only half done.. also on a company insurance some you are not allowed a passenger, mods, have limited milage etc......

nothing is plug and play with tbs lol! i should know ive got a fully mapped, omexed tbd engine and the wiring is a cunt lol! altho that is a 3plug setup in a single plug car.

plus with tbs your wanting more than 150bhp yeah? do you know much about the pugsport as they are quite restrictive if you are running more power.

you also do realise aswell that standalone plus mapping your looking at 1k ish + tbs 700+ add this to the engine etc.. you will be looking at 3k properly done.... you sure a 3k xmas prezzie?>

[williamsvts]

will the company insurance even pay out if its not being used for buisiness use? i doubt the insurance technicin will think its a company car when he see's it.

[Salmon1]

Thats why i said "sort of legit", because it wont be used for business, but were saying it will be.

As for Cost, spent the whole day researching and trying to find an engine, and decided DEFFO not getting TB's FAR much hassle.

So-

VTS engine- £750
Piper 285 Cams- £500ish
Remap and Raised Limiter- £300
BMC Enclosed Induction- £150
OMP Straight Through Decat- £300
Raceland Manifold- £130
Stage 2 Head- £250ish (probly less)

Labour to Fit engine- £350.


So im looking at Roughly £2600 ish.

Getting engine from Mum and Dad, labour from Gran, i sold a 2grand Scooter for £1200 and a Honda MX bike for £2000 so money is not an issue.

Call me spoilt if you wish, yes i get a lot, but i dont ACT spoilt, i work my arse of all week, help look after my gran, dont cause my mum grief. My dad works 70+ hour weeks, i see him once every 2weeks, have done my whole life near enough, suppose he makes up for it by getting me stuff lol. Suits me haha.

[Ryan]

Thats why i said "sort of legit", because it wont be used for business, but were saying it will be.




if you bend it a decent assessor will bend you over before inserting something uber hard in your ass!!!

sort of legit isnt legit... they will know its not been declaired officially, and will void the whole companys insurance, also if this happens it will be a cunt to get another company to insure a fleet without loading the premium..

FRAUD is bad mkayy

[Ryan]

and if you want good head.... :D

get a qep head, the big valve head rules.

[Luke]

Good luck to you.

I'll be waiting for the crash thread.

[Colin]

Good luck to you.

I'll be waiting for the crash thread.

LOL Luke!

You will also be suprised when you get the quote through to fit the engine. Its not something you will like to hear.

But if you want to do all this stuff then for it!

[argylefan1985]

right,the insurance thing, your an idiot, ive seen on other forums where people have tried to pull the wool over insurance companys eyes and guess what they didnt pay up!

Ive seen a few cases where they have even gone to the hassle of researching the owner on forums etc and found that they hadnt declared stuff or had been racing etc etc.

So by you saying your going to put it on company insurance but it wont be used for business makes you a complete arsehole,lol youve jus done urself up a treat.

Plus 17 even when u do pass like you said you dont have much experience, well getting a vts after passing your test only a matter of time before you push it too much and end up in a ditch or somthing, Hope for your sake mate couple months down the line we aint reading a r.i.p thread for you, Just take it easy, Use the vtr for a bit thats more than fast enough for a first car.

[Johnno]

mate, a vtr is well enough powerfull, that was my first car and all my mates have 1.2 corsas and stuff.

but fair play if you do it, sounds mean like.

[Jay_VTR]

VTS at 17...and you've just failed your driving test.
Thats enough to scare me, let alone the cams, raised limiter, etc.
To be honest mate TAKE IT EASY and stay with the VTR, thats well fast enough for you.

[Salmon1]

Insurance- Well its down for pleasure use aswell, but it wont make a hell of a lot of difference. It'll be ok.

As for Labour- I have alrady got my £350 Quote to remvoe one, link up other. Doesnt include any wiring or ECU work though.

And cheers to the rest of you, yeh itll be pretty mean.

Doubt i'll want to sell it for a Lupo GTI when i turn 18 lol.

[Salmon1]

Jay- I failed for not using buslanes.

I had the Chief examiner, and even he could only find 2 minors, one of which was dropping into 1st for a turn, other was for sitting over centre line in tight country road.

My resit is in 9days, monday 11th.

[Ryan]

Insurance- Well its down for pleasure use aswell, but it wont make a hell of a lot of difference. It'll be ok.

As for Labour- I have alrady got my £350 Quote to remvoe one, link up other. Doesnt include any wiring or ECU work though.

And cheers to the rest of you, yeh itll be pretty mean.

Doubt i'll want to sell it for a Lupo GTI when i turn 18 lol.

erm a vts will piss on a lupo if its had any engine work..

i think you need to learn to respect the roads a bit more though before you do this.

labour doesnt include wiring lol! add another 500-1000 for that then.

[williamsvts]

As for Labour- I have alrady got my £350 Quote to remvoe one, link up other. Doesnt include any wiring or ECU work though.

i do it for £150. includes fitting the everything thing. all you will need to do is get ecu unlocked proffessionally. i cant fit it in before feb though.

why do you want to sell for a lupo? htey are slower!!!!!

what remap are you getting for £300??
and the heqad work cant be very good for £250, and tbh, it isnt worth it unless you are using throttle bodies and wilder cams than 285s.

[Salmon1]

Williams VTS- Dastek do remaps for £300, take it this would include the unlocking?

there is unlocked ECUs for £125 on ebay aswell.

But yeh that sounds good mate, probly a good idea to get experience in vtr first anyway.

Ill get back to you after Xmas once i have the engine.

Cheers

[flee123]

Can I ask you a few things mate?

Have you actually been out in the VTR and put your foot down? or have you been in with responsible driver? In other words have you been out by yourself and booted the thing? I am sure you will find that the VTR is fast enough, and you will have a hell of a lot of fun in it. Putting a VTS in there will scare the crap out of you.

My mate has a 1.4 Seat with some engine mods, even that scares the crap out of him daily. And he's been driving for over a year now.

I think you need to really look into this mate as its not a simple to do all this as you think it is. Your pricing is way out i reckon, you will be looking over £2500 i reckon for your engine fitting, ecu unlocked, remap etc. Put all your throttle bodies and that on your insurance and companies will cry with laughter at you, seriously mate. It's not a game you wanna play TBH. You could put it on your dads or your mams or whatever but when they see the additional driver is 17 and just passed his test htey will jack the prices right back up. They're not as stupid as you think.

Patience is whats needed mate.

[williamsvts]

dastek dont remap stanard ecu's. you have to buy a dastek unit and have that remapped, which cant raise your rev limit. the only place that can remap your standard ecu is chipwizards. and a remap does not unlock it. it needs to be unlocked before you even think about getting it mapped as it wont start the car when its locked.
look into what your doing before you start buying stuff.

[Salmon1]

Well an unlocked ECU is £125.

Then i can take it for a remap.

Throttle bodies aint happeneing, too much hassle.



My mates are all telling me to Fit- Cams, Remap, Raise Limiter, BMC enclosed, Raceland Mani, OMP straight through decat, Quickshift stick, Black Diamond Clutch on my VTR instead as itd be a lot less hassle.

But i dunno, a 150bhp VTS is tempting as a VTR with those mods would be lucky to give 110bhp at wheels.

[106gti]

i sold a 2grand Scooter for £1200 and a Honda MX bike for £2000 so money is not an issue.


I thought you bought the car with that money?

Take this any way you want, i don't care. But you're clearly a big headed, selfish , arrogant spoilt person.

Appreciate what you have for christs sake, jeez, most 17 year olds are rolling round in 600quid bangers and still have the time of there lives.

You need to forget about trying to impress people, i bet you've forgot what the car's actually for.


it will drink petrol like there is no tomorow with the 'spec' you're looking at

The urge to boot it round town to 'show off' will definatley be too much for a 17 year old first time driver to withstand

But hey what do i know :gives:

[williamsvts]

if you are doing any of them mate i would stick a 16v in, tuning the vtr is a waste of money imo.

i can get the ecu's unlocked for £50 if the kid is still doing it. havent seen him for a while.

i wouldnt use a dastek, they cant raise rev limit so are useless with a 285 cam imo.

[samcook]

Can I ask you a few things mate?

Have you actually been out in the VTR and put your foot down? or have you been in with responsible driver? In other words have you been out by yourself and booted the thing?


well sed!

[l1ukeRS]

this threads made me laugh, cammed + throtle body vts at 17 after failing 1st test bit of a dream mate
id say
if you wish to end up dead or in prison, (if you crash or kill/hurt some1 else without valid insurance 1 of the above will happen)
or you like bumsex as either route will lead you there (big trev in ure cell or mr insurance will bum u)

then go for it mate !

[Salmon1]

no i havent, which is why im not buying an engine until iv passed and put the foot down on VTR.

[williamsvts]

my mate has only passed his test a year. and this summer i fitted a 16v engien to his car then stuck some catcams 708s in 2 months ago.

if you have the cash and want to do it you are better of going for 16v than tuning the 8v.
£ for bhp wise

[hesslevtr]

dont wste your time with a vtr and caming it its just not worth it like williams has said

id just leave the vtr in there get a an exhaust and filter and leave it at that

[Salmon1]

I have a Piper straight through and a Powertec Induction

[Jonny_H]

I dont think your being fair to this guy.... ok so he's not passed his test yet and he wants something faster already.

your all slating him because he failed his test, his reasons are not reasons which mean he's a "bad driver",it was a simple mistake. the last thing your going to worry about is to use the bus lane or not. if in doubt you wouldnt use it.

i have a 1.1 and have been driving just over a year, and i drove my dads 2 lite the other week and had no probs in that. Then a week later drove a 2.5 litre v6 24v for about 3 days, and guess what no probs. Then drove a 1.5 16v civic, then a VTR and no probs... this guy going from 1.6 8v to 1.6 16v with engine mods TBH i cant see it being a bigger difference to what mine was. 1.1 - 2.5 v6. Ok i might have been driving for a year but still a massive difference.

[Jay_VTR]

He hasnt even passed so he doesnt know what its like to even drive any car really. I expect when is actualli drivin round he wont care and will just keep what hes got. How can you want to go from a vtr which you havent experienced yet to a vts? not having a go or anything just wondering

[williamsvts]

a standard vts willpiss on any 2.5 v6, cammed will even more :P

[Jonny_H]

a standard vts willpiss on any 2.5 v6, cammed will even more :P

ok i could be wrong here, i dont actually know much about engines and stuff so i apolgise if i am wrong but....

how exactly ?

[williamsvts]

how? coz its faster. most v6s are normally pretty heavy. and a vts has pretty short gearing compared to most cars.

if i was him and he has money to tune his car then go for 16v, its the most economical way to tune a non 16v saxo.

[Jonny_H]

how? coz its faster. most v6s are normally pretty heavy. and a vts has pretty short gearing compared to most cars.

if i was him and he has money to tune his car then go for 16v, its the most economical way to tune a non 16v saxo.


ye definatly, go for the 16v. everyone's saying he's going to crash or kill himself or someone... yet the difference wont be as much as the difference i had....
1.1- 2lt mazda 6
1.1- 2.5 v6 astra
1.1 - 1.6 vtr
1.1 - 1.5 16v civic.

[hesslevtr]

ye definatly, go for the 16v. everyone's saying he's going to crash or kill himself or someone... yet the difference wont be as much as the difference i had....
1.1- 2lt mazda 6
1.1- 2.5 v6 astra
1.1 - 1.6 vtr
1.1 - 1.5 16v civic.

how long did you drive these cars for

[Jonny_H]

mazda - approx 2 hours (motorway journey)
astra - approx 3 days
vtr - about 20 mins haha, still give it some tho
1.5 civic - 3 days

[hesslevtr]

so not exacly long then

iv got a feeling this kid would go around showing off his new vts engine and racing people

[Luke]

What car do you learn in?

I'll be totally honest now like most people have been in this thread. I think you are been VERY silly for doing this aswell as been a spoilt brat. Now Mummy & Daddy will buy you all this etc, you are gonna go ahead and do it.

Trust me, 150BHP as your first car is WAY too much. I wouldn't personally buy something like that now myself and I have been driving nearly 18 months. You will be tempted to put your foot down and show off, I have been there and done it....nearly crashed in the process so it's up to you.

If you think you are big enough to handle this power from such a light car, then go for it but I think you are been selfish and totally silly.

I'll be waiting for the 'My First Crash Thread'

No offence to you mate, but thats how it comes across. You have the idea so now NOTHING will stop you.

[Ryan]

ok i could be wrong here, i dont actually know much about engines and stuff so i apolgise if i am wrong but....

how exactly ?


lol why post in engine section if you dont have the faintest idea what you are on about?

[Ryan]

also black diamond clutches are shite on tu/ma applications..

known a few people to slate them from working with them etc...

the std valeo is actually an ok unit.

[Scott]

black diamond clutches in general are totally gash, remanufactured stuff.

My friend put one on his escort rally car as a temporary replacement and it was done in 4 hours from some fast road driving:S

However back to the original topic IMO salmon1 needs to do some more learning on what he is looking to do, he has a bit of an idea but theres a large amount of muddle in there.

If he is a sensible driver it wouldnt matter if it was 50bhp or 1000bhp, a bad driver can stack anything

[Ryan]

black diamond clutches in general are totally gash, remanufactured stuff.

My friend put one on his escort rally car as a temporary replacement and it was done in 4 hours from some fast road driving:S

However back to the original topic IMO salmon1 needs to do some more learning on what he is looking to do, he has a bit of an idea but theres a large amount of muddle in there.

If he is a sensible driver it wouldnt matter if it was 50bhp or 1000bhp, a bad driver can stack anything


4hrs lol!! i knew they were shite...

doesnt matter if he was a good driver.. at 17 your ego will be cashing cheques way above your ability.

[Japman]

Guys maybe your being a bit hard on this guy,He just wants a VTS and a fast car, Im 17 and my first car was a my VTR,i was chuffed on my bday when i had it,payed for it all myself and payed the £1700 insurance straight out!! cheapest quote i could find lol

Anyway time went by and i started to get bored of the VTR,SO i went and bought a VTS engine ..........Yes before you all say (YOUR ONLY 17)
I worked hard and i wanted it so i got it

At the moment i dont have insurance but ive had a quote by quinn for 2.4K lol expensive or what!!i still drive the car and its a risk im willing to take

If he wants to pay the insurance then thats up to him,If he wants to drive without insurance then leave him do it

[Fruitcake]

At the moment i dont have insurance but ive had a quote by quinn for 2.4K lol expensive or what!!i still drive the car and its a risk im willing to take

If he wants to pay the insurance then thats up to him,If he wants to drive without insurance then leave him do it

I await your imminent slating...

[Mystic]

I await your imminent slating...

Agreed, u might be willing to take the risk gav, but im sure who ever you hit wont be.

Why even bother getting a license? If you have an accident/get pulled over you can wave bye bye to it.

[Scott]

Let me know your details and i can inform the police, see if your willing to take that risk

[Japman]

so i get a red card for saying that??

[Mystic]

its illegal gav, think about it, your lucky its just a red card tbh. U gotta sort it out!

[Scott]

No one has given you a red card?

[CampDavid]

I wish they would. then there'd be no more gay 2.0 into a saxo threads.

[Karl]

ill be honest, ive been driving about 16 - 18 months something like that. I'm 18 with a VTS and to be fair, I think that potentially letting most 17-18 yr olds a VTS is a very very silly idea. I have scared myself in my S once. I dont really go 'flat out' anymore, purely for the fact its hella dangerous for others, me and I dont want to crash something I love and still paying off.

[Japman]

campdavid-Whats wrong with asking questions about 2.0 conversions(we all gotta learn)

Soulless-yes mate i agree ive had a scarey experience in the S thats why im looking to get insurance for it next week

[Fruitcake]

should looking/getting it now, not next week.

[Karl]

erm; I have insurance. so should you. most people on here aren't gonna have much love for you now.

Mate; say if you were to knock a lil' girl down, she dies.
her family wont get any compensation etc, you'll be sued and jailed for every penny you have etc...

[Japman]

soulless i can see where you are comming from(i dont want love or rep,im on this site for info and to help people,yes ive made a mistake by saying it end of

Fruitcake- im not driving the car now until i get insurance

[ets2k9]

I love this thread :)

I’m slightly confused to why you’d admit on a public forum that you have no insurance.

It’s up to you at the end of they day I’m not going to get on the insurance band wagon but would have thought keeping it quiet is a better idea.

[Japman]

me ither ets i dont think ill bother speaking on ere anymore,just look

[ets2k9]

Dont worry about it mate everyone is a saint on here but just get yourself some insurance :)

[Japman]

just taken it out buddy, 2.5K ,thats me skint for xmas lol

[ets2k9]

Bargain! it'll be cheaper next year....in theory ;)

[Japman]

thats with 3 points aswell lol not bad

[Mystic]

try a quote with www.bell.co.uk

Im no saint but no insurance is a pretty big deal!

[Japman]

just one thing to ad i did have insurance but it was for the vtr engine

[ets2k9]

I agree you shouldn't gamble with insurance.

[stevenet15]

dont listen to much anyone sais on here mate most people are sheep on here one person sais something and the rest follow, plus i garentee that most people on here havent declared everything, vts's are not stupidly quick anyway so i am sure at 17 you can handle it as long as u take a few weeks to get used to it, i like the way u plan things and go through with them as most people say blah blah i'm doing this i'm doing that but it takes forever and a day for them to get it done. I'm also glad to see your doing it right by upgrading the brakes aswell as you cant cut corners with stuff like that and the gti-6 is a great setup to go for which can make u eat a few more cars as you can brake alot later, anyway i said my bit now and i'll get slated for it but good luck with the conversion and make sure u get plenty of pics up for all to see

[Karl]

lol - insurance is ESSENTIAL.
my car isnt modded so I dont need to declare anything.
a few of my friends drive subtely modded cars but atleast they took out insurance...

[ets2k9]

Steve – I agree the vts is not the monster it’s made out to be although it is a quick car and even quicker with cams etc.

If he’s not a complete loon he’ll be ok but looking back to when I passed my test I would have loved a vts although I don’t think this would have been a wise idea.

When you first start driving your not as good as you think you are and having a reasonably powerful car isn’t going to do you any favours.

[Karl]

yeah - it took a while to get used to the S in corners compared to a VTR..

[stevenet15]

Steve – I agree the vts is not the monster it’s made out to be although it is a quick car and even quicker with cams etc.

If he’s not a complete loon he’ll be ok but looking back to when I passed my test I would have loved a vts although I don’t think this would have been a wise idea.

When you first start driving your not as good as you think you are and having a reasonably powerful car isn’t going to do you any favours.

yeah i agree, most new drivers get over confident quickly and are not used to different driving conditions, weather etc..., i dont condone speeding but if you do it .. do it when its safe and dont pull silly moves. i mean if you try overtake something when its clearly gona be close then your asking for trouble, i know we all make misjudgements etc... but untill you know your car inside out and whats its capeable of then dont take risks.

so did you cam yours when u did the conversion ets2k9?

[ets2k9]

No (Despite two attempts at buying some :( )

My comment about cams being quick is only based on reviews and research.

[Japman]

dont listen to much anyone sais on here mate most people are sheep on here one person sais something and the rest follow, plus i garentee that most people on here havent declared everything, vts's are not stupidly quick anyway so i am sure at 17 you can handle it as long as u take a few weeks to get used to it, i like the way u plan things and go through with them as most people say blah blah i'm doing this i'm doing that but it takes forever and a day for them to get it done. I'm also glad to see your doing it right by upgrading the brakes aswell as you cant cut corners with stuff like that and the gti-6 is a great setup to go for which can make u eat a few more cars as you can brake alot later, anyway i said my bit now and i'll get slated for it but good luck with the conversion and make sure u get plenty of pics up for all to see

Thanks for the comment mate,well ive finally got insurance so im ok now,brakes are the next purchase for me,are vts and vtr brakes the same??

[ets2k9]

Yes I believe they are.

[Japman]

What brakes do you think i should get.........GTi 6 mayb

[ets2k9]

yeah they seem the best value.

[Japman]

do they fit straight on??

[ets2k9]

Williams off here sells GTI6 kits for £180 IIRC they bolt straight on drop him a mail tell him I sent you as I’m working on a commission basis :)

[stevenet15]

speak to williamsvts he can do u a set of 283mm disks with calipers, the saxo normal ones are 247mm, hes will bolt stright on as he modifies the carries to fit as they need a bit of grinding normally

[stevenet15]

Williams off here sells GTI6 kits for £180 IIRC they bolt straight on drop him a mail tell him I sent you as I’m working on a commission basis :)

just beat me to it

[Japman]

it will be after xmas now as ive spent alot already will contact him though(and ill tell him u sent me lol)

[Ryan]

Guys maybe your being a bit hard on this guy,He just wants a VTS and a fast car, Im 17 and my first car was a my VTR,i was chuffed on my bday when i had it,payed for it all myself and payed the £1700 insurance straight out!! cheapest quote i could find lol

Anyway time went by and i started to get bored of the VTR,SO i went and bought a VTS engine ..........Yes before you all say (YOUR ONLY 17)
I worked hard and i wanted it so i got it

At the moment i dont have insurance but ive had a quote by quinn for 2.4K lol expensive or what!!i still drive the car and its a risk im willing to take

If he wants to pay the insurance then thats up to him,If he wants to drive without insurance then leave him do it


glad your insured now. its mindless cocks like you who smash into people and cause every1 else to have high premiums, just because you want a car thats faster.

[Japman]

glad your insured now. its mindless cocks like you who smash into people and cause every1 else to have high premiums, just because you want a car thats faster.


im not a COCK ok mate,yes i was wrong for not having any insurance but now ive sorted it ok!!