Can a tuned vtr beat a standard vts?!

[Claire-VTR]

Im just wondering for a 20bhp difference is the 7 insurance groups higher really worth it?? If you get cams, new manifold etc etc what can you get a vtr up too?? sorry if tat sounds stupid but ive always wanted to know!! & who better to ask than u guys!!! :P

[Danr]

i reckon it could but it would cost a hell of a lot to get the vtr to that stage. The money you'd spend would easily cover the extra insurance on the vts :)

[Japman]

Depends claire,id say get a vts engine but diff people will adv you to tune the vtr,im 17 and i payed £1700 for Vtr insurance,ive recently done a vts conversion and now im paying £2500,its well worth it

Cammed VTR with manifold etc id say about 120-130bhp ?? not that sure tho

[TU-Tuning]

Put simply yea, but the amount you would pay for the mods and declaring them would probably be more/the same as a standard VTS plus extra insurance, and the VTS 16v lump will have more potentil overall, its basically all about how deep your pockets are

[Euphoria]

VTR for the Win! :)

[K-R]

The mods you would have to do would make your VTR insurance even more than just buying a VTS to start of with.

But the VTR engine can be tuned to beat a standard vts

[R4T]

tunes the vtr,manifold,chip-remap,full exhaust,cam's,stage 3 head,strip the car out,keep the small wheels on,but remember if you upgrade your engine sort your brakes out 2

[WestyVTR]

dump a 106 rally gearbox in a VTR & it will beat a 16valver! gearbox = £300 tops!

[beardy]

my camed VTR was running 115bhp and kept with gti/vts untill 5-6k rpm

[KamRacing]

its not all about bhp though, perhaps in straight line drags it is, but around a circuit its the ability to carry speed around corners that makes a difference.

This is why my old 205 Rallye with 91bhp and £3500 of redesigned suspension / track tyres was faster than Gti's

[beardy]

you would obviously need more pull out of corners....

[WestyVTR]

true true but thats not the question here! add the gearbox jobs done end of! LOL
205 rule mi16 205 are quicker than scoobie & mitzis on tracks if set up right so much fun!

[Mark51]

dump a 106 rally gearbox in a VTR & it will beat a 16valver! gearbox = £300 tops!

will that be faster over all or just accelleration or just top end?

[WestyVTR]

red lines at 110mph in 5th! but rapid!!! i could pull away in 5th gear!! plays with civic type R & st170s... great mod to do, shame i blew the diff really... my bad!

[ct_]

ofcouse is can! you could make a metro beat a skyline if you threw enough money at it.

[Luke]

Look at Alex's (cammedvtr) for instance.

It's a 1998 S reg with 105k on the clock. It has been cammed, decat, miltek centre section, magnex back box, pipercross modified filter and it's putting out 122bhp at the wheels - now remember thats a 8 year old with that mileage. It's easily achieveable.

[WestyVTR]

mines on 130k and 110bhp! with just zorst fanimold & filter no cat..

[stiffler69]

Ive had a few mods done to myn manifold, full exhaust system, bmc, decat, piper 285 cam and vernier pulley, chipped and raised limiter i think it could easily see a vts off, and i think it will put a nail in the coffin once i get the remap done on saturday

[Mark51]

Ive had a few mods done to myn manifold, full exhaust system, bmc, decat, piper 285 cam and vernier pulley, chipped and raised limiter i think it could easily see a vts off, and i think it will put a nail in the coffin once i get the remap done on saturday

wish i had taken you up on your offer for a drive now, lol

[stiffler69]

lol she was running sh***ty back then ive had it the garage today had the vernier pulley fitted and tappets and timing set up and tweaked feels alot more responsive

[hesslevtr]

Look at Alex's (cammedvtr) for instance.

It's a 1998 S reg with 105k on the clock. It has been cammed, decat, miltek centre section, magnex back box, pipercross modified filter and it's putting out 122bhp at the wheels - now remember thats a 8 year old with that mileage. It's easily achieveable.

fly fly fly

[VTS_16v_Boy]

If it was my money, IMO only:

I would lightly tune the 8v engine, Airfilter, Manifold exhaust then just enjoy the car for 6-12months by this time you then wish to sourch a 16v lump or simply move onto somethin completely different?

After a year of drivin your insurance should have dropped then take it from there. The 8v engine is a great little motor its a shame most people look straight past it in favour of the 16v.

In simple, play with it for a while then see what happens after a year of driving

[S34MER]

If it was my money, IMO only:

I would lightly tune the 8v engine, Airfilter, Manifold exhaust then just enjoy the car for 6-12months by this time you then wish to sourch a 16v lump or simply move onto somethin completely different?

After a year of drivin your insurance should have dropped then take it from there. The 8v engine is a great little motor its a shame most people look straight past it in favour of the 16v.

In simple, play with it for a while then see what happens after a year of driving

^^^^This is very good advice imo^^^^


Im sure cammedvtr got something like 122bhp from his VTR, iirc mods were manifold, induction kit, decat, straight through exhaust system, cams and a re-map! there may be something im missing but thats all i remember. so yes it can be done, nice to see someone doing something different though rather than ust dumping a VTS engine in there!

[Claire-VTR]

Ive had a few mods done to myn manifold, full exhaust system, bmc, decat, piper 285 cam and vernier pulley, chipped and raised limiter i think it could easily see a vts off, and i think it will put a nail in the coffin once i get the remap done on saturday

Wow!! did this not cost you a fortune?? well if im honest i wudnt declare the mods on my insurance :oops: one min im like ok ill get a vtr then next im like no a vts!!! :rage: lol

oooh i dunno!! suppose ill just have to wait and see what the funds are li9ke when the time comes! :bored:

[Claire-VTR]

The only problem is im goin to uni next yr and i wont be able to get anything new until im finished. So i was thinkin of getting the vts and usin my loan to help!! :fcuk: I would have the money if my insurance is a max of £2500 and hopefully itll go down a gd bit after a few yrs!! but like i said im now on for the vts but 10mins later ill change my mind!!! lol

[VTS_16v_Boy]

Its alot of extra insurance just for that extra bhp, at the end of the day its your money but I really feel that even a VTR with a Induction Kit and a Cat Back exhaust would give you as much excitment as a standard VTS besides how long could you keep a Standard car for?

I couldnt, I went from two cars down to one and swore I would leave it alone but take a look at the list under my signature . . . didnt stay standard for long.

Would save or student loan for more improtant things like housing and beer :-)

[chrisni1986]

i had a simota enclosed, supersprint 4-2-1 manifold and a supersprint backbox on my old vtr, last time it was r/r it made around 109 bhp (it was 90 standard) was a great improvement over standard but my vts now which is standard would still kill it, i would take the advice above and do all the breathing mods.. enjoy it for a while then move on thats what i did..

[saxoash]

^^^^This is very good advice imo^^^^


Im sure cammedvtr got something like 122bhp from his VTR, iirc mods were manifold, induction kit, decat, straight through exhaust system, cams and a re-map! there may be something im missing but thats all i remember. so yes it can be done, nice to see someone doing something different though rather than ust dumping a VTS engine in there!

Luke posted Alex's spec on page 1, its 122bhp at fly without remap

[stiffler69]

What cam is he using aswell i think its only a fast road not a rallaye/race one so its a lower lift too aint it and thats impressive bhp!

[CampDavid]

When comparing engines there is a lot more to think about than BHP. Consider torque, and more importantly, torque spread