saxo conversion to 1.9GTi

[jacko18]

is it possible to put a 205 1.9 gti engine in a saxo vtr??? anyonew got any ideas how i would do this??

[Scott]

hard work for an engine about the same as a vts engine. Vts engine is newer technology and will fit in far easier

[S34MER]

yes its possible mate, and it would need some work, but not as much as some engines would require!

[jacko18]

what do you mean?? that doesnt make sense what you said?

[l1ukeRS]

vts would be a better option, would need custom mounts etc etc

[jacko18]

that shouldnt be a problem!

[S34MER]

what do you mean?? that doesnt make sense what you said?

what who said!?

[Scott]

no point in doing the custom fabrications its an old engine, vts would be better and cheaper

[S34MER]

my sisters bf has a 1.9 GTi running TB's and its awesome, running 172bhp iirc!

[Scott]

Im not saying its not a decent engine but for the work/cost and extra weight its not worht it over a vts engine

[jacko18]

hard work for an engine about the same as a vts engine. Vts engine is newer technology and will fit in far easier

s43mer this one not yours mate!

[S34MER]

Im not saying its not a decent engine but for the work/cost and extra weight its not worht it over a vts engine

i agree, but wouldn't it be nice to see something different for a change!? try telling the guys who dropped Civic Type R engines and bike engines into their saxo's!

[jacko18]

but the GTi engine is going to be faster than a VTS engine.surely?

[S34MER]

it will be on the straights maybe! but its gonna make your front end heavier and it may not handle as well!

[Japman]

I would get a vts engine mate tbh,saying that tho why not be different ini

[Sean]

it would need some work, but not as much as some engines would require!


why not as much? you'd need custom mounts, driveshafts, wiring, so more or less everything, all for an engine which would be at least 13years old and only has 10 more horsepower than a vts? vts is very easily tuned to 160bhp (although hardly cheap) and 200 @wheels is the norm thesedays so personally i wouldn't be fannying about spending money on getting an older engine to fit, just wouldn't make any sense whatsoever.

[Scott]

i agree, but wouldn't it be nice to see something different for a change!? try telling the guys who dropped Civic Type R engines and bike engines into their saxo's!

Civic type r engine is "better" than a vts engine though, 1.9 gti engine isnt. Fair enough do something different but there is no point when there is no gain:ponder:

[beardy]

vts has faster 0-60 time go for that

[CampDavid]

GTI lump would require so much work its untrue. For 10bhp. No

An early Mi16 lump, in 1.9 form would be a better bet, being an ally block its light too.

If you have to ask though, you won't be able to do it well.

[Mark51]

GTI lump would require so much work its untrue. For 10bhp. No

An early Mi16 lump, in 1.9 form would be a better bet, being an ally block its light too.

If you have to ask though, you won't be able to do it well.

agreed

[Ax_beefy]

No point... so much work for so little gain over a vts which you could do in a weekend for £500 using easily obtainable standard parts...

[senseless]

in most casses instead of doing an engine transplant isnt it easier to just buy the vts?

[hesslevtr]

in most casses instead of doing an engine transplant isnt it easier to just buy the vts?

depends really

depends how easy it is to sell your car and find a decnet vts might be easier to find a decent vts engine but then you have the trouble or sorting documents out

id say 50/50 really

[willsy]

in most casses instead of doing an engine transplant isnt it easier to just buy the vts?

The prospect of a transplant is more fun for those who regard their car as a kind of hobby aswel as just a car. Plus its amazing the amount of things you can learn from braving it and having a go yourself. :D:

[sy_VTR]

i agree, vts it, cost ya next to newt compared to a gti! for what it would cost and having your car of the road for so long, it would be a hell of a lot easier to vts it, and the money it would cost could get you a nice low mileage engine, cams and a remap!

[SteveMcGee]

I say go for it, be different

[sy_VTR]

but isnt this just going to cost shite loads to do tho! cant see custom parts being to cheap!

[CampDavid]

but isnt this just going to cost shite loads to do tho! cant see custom parts being to cheap!

indeed. That's why you don't do random engine work "just to be different"

[sy_VTR]

thote so, im guessing you would need quite a lot of cash, just to fit the bugger in, and get it sitting nicely!

[CampDavid]

You could do it cheaply if you were a proffesional engineer, which this chap isn't so 3k would be a good kick off point

[Jay_VTR]

Put a Mi16 lump or a T16 in der!

[CampDavid]

Put a Mi16 lump or a T16 in der!

How would you go about doing that?

[Jay_VTR]

lol, sorry random idea

[Sean]

Put a Mi16 lump or a T16 in der!

if you don't mind spending £££'s on custom parts and mucho fabrication work or subsequently having a car which handles like a barge then go for it.

[Jay_VTR]

Hmm but the 205 is a T16 isnt it?
How does that work, must be light engine...or not

[CampDavid]

T16 is a great idea. Eccose will do it for yu. Costs around 10k in a 306 so I'd guess at about the same in a saxo

[CampDavid]

Hmm but the 205 is a T16 isnt it?
How does that work, must be light engine...or not

The 205 T16 has as much in comon with the 205 GTI as I have with Hugh Jackman. For a start the engine is in the middle in the T16, its 4x4, its a space frame chassis, most panels are different....

[Jay_VTR]

Hmm would that be just labour? Or the engine as well...cause there well rare arent they

[CampDavid]

Yes, they are super rare

[Jay_VTR]

ah yes. but if he wants something "different"

[CampDavid]

ah yes. but if he wants something "different"

<bangs head on table and goes home>

[Jay_VTR]

lol...

[lambinator]

vts engine better realibility and far less pricey.

dont make it harder than it needs to be

[supersav]

I must say, the "Idea" of the mi16 IS a cracker, but unfortunaitly the "real world" will always throw more problems at you than you could eve contemplate......................

so, what about the vts conversion, but done differently to everyone else? I'll give you some thaught provoking ideas.

you could think about doing the induction side of the engine in a way you've not seen on a saxo, or do something different with the clever use of paints, laqures, chroming, anodiseing, ect, ect. you can still have the underlying mods like cams and re-maps and the like, but with ancylerys and bolt on parts made to look nicer/different?

just look at the dub world, vr6's, g60's, 1.8i's, pushing out bags of power but presented in an astheticly pleasing way.

but then again, there's nothing stoping you doing it to your vtr lump, you put on a big valve head, cam, re-map, exhaust manifold, but design your own inlet based on something you've seen on another car.

I'll leave you with this.............if you want to put in a 1.9 with a vew to ultimately being the quickest, you're only kidding youself, somone else will come along with something even quicker sooner or later leaving you looking at spending more and more cash in the persute of being at the top, and as a private individual that road will only lead to no place good, however, if your motive is genuinely to be different then look not for insperation from what others have achieved in your field, but at what others have achieved in another. think outside the box.

pete

[ets2k9]

Pete - I was reading a VW mag the other day the engine bays are immense everthing is hidden apart from the actual block. Its such a clean look It'd be a refreshing change to see a new slant on the vts.

I dont know why people want to shy away from the vts all the while its a good engine in terms of power/price/tuning.

[supersav]

indeed, you're quite right, I do beleive the breif was to be different though, and maby this chap feels to many other people have the vts?

stupid as it sounds, just by laqureing the paint in the engine bay and painting the block in a complimentary/contrasting colour to the car it'd lift the entire bay making things like induction kits and braded hoses look even better.

I'll never be able to set the world on fire being a private individual, but I'd have one hell of a sense of pride if I heard somone walk away telling his buddy what a clean looking bay I had.

pete

[l1ukeRS]

post a pic up of your bay pete :Y: for the cash youd get a vts engine cam it etc, drop it in and have a quick car still

[axsaxoman]

want to be diff-- then fit a v6 pug/cit they are 200 as std with cat -so dump cat and you have230bhp ,with all the grunt in the world, just think how that would sound at 7k with twin systems-- then drop a blower on it 400+
very cheap to buy , and no more bother than fitting the antique 1.9 mi16

[supersav]

l1ukevtr: Unfortunaitly with it being winter I'm in the process of doing my engine/bay so nothing but the usual grubby mess to show at the moment, but rest asured I'll put somthing up as soon as it's done.

axsaxoman: now that's the shiznit right there baby!! that indeed would be a different install, and one I'd love to see.

pete

[jacko18]

yeah just ditch the GTi lump nad get my hands on a 406 V6.i would do but i havnt got the funds to do such converions i just wondered if it was actually possible!