Induction Kit?

[shane-mc]

im going 2 get an induction kit for my vtr but im na 2 sure which one wud b the best 4 performance can anyone help me out?

[Baz]

bmc, green cotton enclosed

[shane-mc]

Green cotten enclosed seems 2 b the best was readin up bout it cheers!

[KamRacing]

The Green ones are well made .. get some good results too

[VTS_16v_Boy]

Basically it works along the lines of:

Open Cone filters - K&N Pipercross Green - Good sound small increase in performance

enclosed Filters - Scoops, BMC, Vipers etc - small sound Good increase in performance

In terms of preformance both Open AND Enclosed need a good cold air feed to supply the filters with cold air. You could have the best engine in the world but if your sucking Hot air its all a waste.

Do your homework on different brands and prices too, start off with agood old eBay search with 'saxo induction' and '106 induction'.

Scoops for the 106 won't fit with work because of the different slam panel but simple cones are ok to switch cross platform, Ive got a 106GTi on my VTS and its fine.

Don't expect to see a massive gain unless its complimented by an decent exhaust system but the engine will feel more revy and the sound will make you feel like your going faster than your are :-) and theres nothin wrong with that!

[saxovtrandy]

sorry bit of a hi jack

would a bmc off a vts fit on a vtr???

any help would be great

thanks

[Steve]

sorry bit of a hi jack

would a bmc off a vts fit on a vtr???

any help would be great

thanks

i got told yes but some extra piping is required! and you need a breather filter for the top of the engine or if you get custom made piping you can ge thte pipe made to fit so you dont need a breather filter.... i will try find a pic for you!

oh and the bmc code is CDA70130 I think :y:

[saxovtrandy]

stevey - yeah if you could mate that would be great thanks

[Steve]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/hesslevtr/pauls189.jpg
This one is a bmc with an oil breather on (98bhp VTR)
Picture posted by hesslevtr

Same with this (90bhp VTR)
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3114&d=1164890341
Picture Posted By Stiffler69

One with a the breather pipe going into the hose from the bmc... (90bhp VTR)
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3113&d=1164889269
Posted By Landy

Hope this helps! There is a thread kicking around with some engine photos in. Thats where those photos are from.

[saxovtrandy]

so all i need is a little breather to put on to the oil breather pipe??

[hesslevtr]

ooo my engine looks so dirty there

[Steve]

so all i need is a little breather to put on to the oil breather pipe??

yeah or you could get some custom hosing made up....

Click Me :A: (http://www.bmcairfilters.com/VisModel.asp)
Then just do seach by car, citroen, then saxo.... Tells you the part numbers....
where is has part numbers click mounting note, it alsso has a picture :y:

[saxovtrandy]

cool thanks alot for that matey

[Steve]

cool thanks alot for that matey

welcome hope it helps!

[Ross27]

Hi I am prity shure the best 1 out is the Piper Cross Viper Stage 2,it will give u the best performance + it will make it sound realy good,I av 1 on my VTR and it ads bout 25bhp on top so that is the 1 I would recomend.Ross27

[Baz]

25bhp? any proof of this?

[Steve]

Hi I am prity shure the best 1 out is the Piper Cross Viper Stage 2,it will give u the best performance + it will make it sound realy good,I av 1 on my VTR and it ads bout 25bhp on top so that is the 1 I would recomend.Ross27

25bhp? jesus! :afro:

think proof is needed! i would say more around 5... no expert but that does seem high! :A:

[saxovtrandy]

that sounds very steep for an induction kit!!!!

proof def needs to be provided

[saxooxas]

yeah 25 is a lot - doesnt sound it but it is ... what does the oil breather filter do?

[KamRacing]

unfortunately no filter will give a 25bhp gain.

The oil breather just vents the crankcase gases to atmosphere..
hold on let me just quote myself from my website lol

In O/e breather systems without a crankcase breather filter; a mixture of oil and water vapour is directed from the engine block and burnt within the combustion chamber.

While an essential part of lowering engine emissions this vapour reduces the octane rating of the fuel mixture, with a corresponding reduction in performance.

Breather filters are used in performance engines to vent contaminated oil and water vapour directly into the atmosphere.

[piperX]

thats quite technical kam-racing. now translate! lol. im sure the 25bhp, meant to be typed 5bhp.

[Sean]

unfortunately no filter will give a 25bhp gain.

The oil breather just vents the crankcase gases to atmosphere..


which is illegal, although highly unlikely you'd ever be pulled up about it come mot time. not seen many 'performance' engines run those shite little breather filters to be honest, all the cosworths i've seen run catch tanks. :)

[hesslevtr]

which is illegal, although highly unlikely you'd ever be pulled up about it come mot time. not seen many 'performance' engines run those shite little breather filters to be honest, all the cosworths i've seen run catch tanks. :)

my engine runs a little breather thingy

asnd i consider mine to be a performance engine

your right though

[KamRacing]

which is illegal, although highly unlikely you'd ever be pulled up about it come mot time. not seen many 'performance' engines run those shite little breather filters to be honest, all the cosworths i've seen run catch tanks. :)

catch tanks vent to atmosphere. Same thing just condenses the oil vapour before it sprays all over the engine bay. My engine has a catch tank with a green breather filter on top

[shane-mc]

Thanks 4 da feed back! hopefully shud be gettin an induction kit after xmas i'l let ya's know how it goes!

[Sean]

catch tanks vent to atmosphere. Same thing just condenses the oil vapour before it sprays all over the engine bay. My engine has a catch tank with a green breather filter on top

yes it does but the whole point of a catch tank is to separate oil vapour from crankcase gasses. technically they all should vent back into the inlet (note the use of 'technically'?)Proper catch tanks (Bailey, Mocal, Spec-R) don't have a breather but instead vent back into the inlet as if the tank has done it's job there is no oil vapour to clog vacuum lines etc. but even so a breather filter on top of a catch tank does not vent oil vapour to atmosphere the way a breather filter fitted directly onto a breather pipe does (which is 100% illegal). :)

[Karl]

those breather filters are illegal?!

[Sean]

yes! it's illegal to vent oil vapour directly to atmosphere. i've honestly lost count of the number of times this has been posted now :)

[Bri_vtr]

Can anybody help me on this, my brother had a 1.4 quicksilver pug 106 and had a viper induction kit for it, can anybody tell me if that would fit my vtr?

[Simpson_Sax]

Sorry to continue this post but really need the following help...

My mate had a vtr but sold it, he put a kit on but im not sure what one it was. maybe a K&N cone. The sound off this badboy was insane and i really need one.

Bought a vtr few weeks ago, standard and would like a very loud induction kit on it. Power gains doesnt matter tht much. Any ideas much appreciated & i'll go out 2moro and buy one lol.

[KamRacing]

Proper catch tanks (Bailey, Mocal, Spec-R) don't have a breather but instead vent back into the inlet as if the tank has done it's job there is no oil vapour to clog vacuum lines etc

the way my car is set up is standard practice at all levels of motorsport.
No vapour is vented back to the inlet.

Its not allowed on the road/ though I have never seen a car pulled up on this.

[VTS_16v_Boy]

Sorry to continue this post but really need the following help...

My mate had a vtr but sold it, he put a kit on but im not sure what one it was. maybe a K&N cone. The sound off this badboy was insane and i really need one.

Bought a vtr few weeks ago, standard and would like a very loud induction kit on it. Power gains doesnt matter tht much. Any ideas much appreciated & i'll go out 2moro and buy one lol.

Pretty much any Cone filter will give a 'induction' roar, take alook on eBay under 'saxo induction' and '106 induction' as their pretty much the same car as far as induction kits are concerned. If your bit braver why not sourch a universal cone either Cotton (K&N, Green, Jetex) Foam (Pipercross) or Stainless steel mess (Blitz, Quickshift) then buy some polished pipin and silicone hosing from www.espdesign.co.uk

All open filters need a supply of cold air, tubing is normally supplied with most branded kits these are cold air feeds, universal cones wont come with tubing but it can be picked up in halfords or any motor parts shop.

[Simpson_Sax]

Cheers for tht. I had a green cotton in my 1.1 and it didnt seem to be tht good. yeh sure it was a 1.1 but just they seem to be such a subject at the moment lol.
It wood just be a open cone like the green. think a k&n would be good? What abt the 'universal' ones out of halfords at 35quid? Heard there pretty descent.

[S34MER]

if you search first you will find the answer your looking for no problem, this topic is covered over and over and over again daily!

[KamRacing]

Cheers for tht. I had a green cotton in my 1.1 and it didnt seem to be tht good. yeh sure it was a 1.1 but just they seem to be such a subject at the moment lol.
It wood just be a open cone like the green. think a k&n would be good? What abt the 'universal' ones out of halfords at 35quid? Heard there pretty descent.

whatever you go for and afix to a 1.1 you won't get big gains.