4Wd Saxo [Archive] - Saxperience

Sean

23rd January 2007, 19:28

if you could find a gearbox from a 4 wheel drive citroen (think they have/had a 4 wheel drive van) which would mate to the tu engine, you could attatch the transfer box and rear axle from said vehicle. How much it would cost though is anyone's guess. I know of a 4x4 fiesta turbo which was built using a cvh head and zetec bottom end, mondeo 4x4 gearbox, transfer box and rear axle with very little modification required to fit it.

Perky

23rd January 2007, 19:29

4wd turbo'd vts would be nice, But a RWD turbo'd vts would be even nicer!!

the things that dreams are made off

Ryan

23rd January 2007, 19:52

there was a 4x4 ax made in europe irc...

if yo could source the box and running gear off of that it would make life easyer.

there has been a 106 4x4 done, but it was using cossie running gear etc.... with just the shell mounted with custom mounts to the chassis.

plus turbo and rwd wouldnt be good, due to the lag you get this wouldnt be much fun having a sudden punch at the rear end.

a supercharger and rwd would be more complimented to a rwd saxo imo

supersav

23rd January 2007, 21:05

what about the running gear from a sunny/pulsar gtir, it's not a million miles bigger than a saxo.

pete

vtsturbo

23rd January 2007, 21:09

the ax 4x4 drivetrain is weak!!

no good

Ryan

23rd January 2007, 21:10

then you have the fun of using the unreliable pular engine :P

cossie engines and running gear are alot more popular it seems due to the reliability of them

supersav

23rd January 2007, 21:15

Ryan

23rd January 2007, 21:29

who's saying you have to use the pulsar engine?

where there's a will there's a way mate, making some kind of adaptor plate or changing the bell housing won't be that difficalt for the kind of person who'd tae on a project like this.

pete

i was saying it would be easyer to use the cossie running gear and engine as it is more reliable, and wouldnt mean you would be having custom engine mounts and bell housing etc....

KamRacing

23rd January 2007, 21:54

cossie stuff is heavy. I almost put it in my 309 but decided on the S2000 parts instead as it weighs about half

supersav

23rd January 2007, 22:12

i was saying it would be easyer to use the cossie running gear and engine as it is more reliable, and wouldnt mean you would be having custom engine mounts and bell housing etc....

fair enough, I mentioned the pulsar because of it's size, if you used the cosworth stuff it's coming off of a car that's conciderably longer and probably wider too, so even though you don't need to frigg about with the bell housing you would with the length and width of the kit.

but, having said all that, I did take a technical mesurment (pidgoen steps.lol) of an integrale and decided it was well within conciderable dimentions to be used for just such an instalation. lol

pete

WestyVTR

23rd January 2007, 23:45

ive seen a pulsar engine next to a saxo! i love pulsars. . . . woudnt use the engine in a sax tough. any1 thought of adding a 5turbo engine in?? i know the usual issues with 5turbos but it would keep the weight down and its a powerfull unit wen tuned and small too. . . .

spencer_cammedvts

24th January 2007, 07:36

i seem to remember seeing a 4wd vts about not sure what engine it had in it. it was a rally car and did o-60 in something stupid like 2.8secs. ill see if i cand find it out

spencer_cammedvts

24th January 2007, 08:08

VTS_16v_Boy

24th January 2007, 09:12

Ive seen Cossie running gear squeezed into Mk3 Fiesta's and Mk4 Escort's which involed a Hell of a lot of work. As for the smallest 4x4 running gear Yep the Pulsa/Sunny GTiR is small but Subrau used to build the Susikui swift under licence and they cramed 4x4 runing gear in that (i Think).

Rear wheel drive would be a much simpler conversion with compaines such as Zcars, Pug1off and JamSport have done either Saxo's or 106's. Also with rear engine conversions you not limited to the size or type of engine ie Ive seen a RSturbo rear engined 106 - JamSport and a TypeR rear engined Saxo - Zcars.

Dont forget that the GroupB Rally Legend Austin Metro 6R4 - 6=V6 R=Rally 4=4wheel drive. And although the exterior hardly shared a panel with the humble Austin Metro the Interior was pretty much the same size and too fit a mid engined v6 3.0ltr beast that nearing the end of its life was pushing 400bhp anythings possable. Only how deep your pockets are!!!

KamRacing

24th January 2007, 09:56

something worth noting is that a few years ago the F2 kit cars on Tarmac were faster than the WRC cars until rules were changed to make them use bigger restrictors.

sy_VTR

24th January 2007, 10:19

Ive seen a 4x4 106 in gti magazine last year!

CampDavid

24th January 2007, 10:33

http://www.306gti6.com/forum/attachments/2842_106cossie_002.jpg

106 Cosworth, uses sierra running gear, hubs etc. Better than a pulser setup as parts are pretty cheap and easy to get from the million sierras resting in scrappys world wide. Engine is a lot better too

yorkie

24th January 2007, 10:42

panda 4x4!!! hehe

CampDavid

24th January 2007, 11:06

easiest way would be the AX 4x4 but I think it only had about 90bhp or less. May have torque issues with that

Sean84

24th January 2007, 12:55

4wd is for girls!

WestyVTR

25th January 2007, 07:23

any further thoughts on the 5 turbo engine?

CampDavid

25th January 2007, 09:00

any further thoughts on the 5 turbo engine?

er, why would you want to put a 1.4 8valve pushrod wngine from the 70's into a Saxo?

yorkie

25th January 2007, 10:27

i had the same idea mate i know where there a 200 bhp 5 engine and i want it!!!

sy_VTR

25th January 2007, 10:31

Thote Id Seen One David, Nice Car The Red 106

Scott

25th January 2007, 11:30

wouldnt use the gt engine, its pretty stone age and not the most efficent or reliable.

Depends on the cost you can do it for, if you can get the engine for a few quid and fit it yourself for buttons then maybe but i wouldnt

VTS_16v_Boy

25th January 2007, 14:28

Heheheh Renault 5GTT in a Saxo, possably the worst engine ever!

Completely unreliable even in standard form let alone tuned, althought like most things in that breif moment when it is working, in that chassis its amatch made in heaven. Anywhere else complete waste of time.

If your looking for complete engine swaps reckon a 1300 Hyhiabusa engine would be better, Zcars amonst others can even turbocharge one of them!

Scary thought that.

Zcars, Pug1offs, JamSport and CarWorx are the masters at engine swaps talk to them about direct engine bay swaps or sell the family, house and the dog to fund the Turbocharged TypeR rear engine rear wheel drive conversion.

Or why not just buy a Westfield or Caterham and either have turbo'd bike engine or a Cossie YB lump?

KamRacing

25th January 2007, 14:33

the problem with bike engines is that they are not designed to do high milleage either. A 15,000 miler bike is considered old!

CampDavid

25th January 2007, 14:33

Cossie YB lump in a Caterham?

This boy needs therapy ;)

james-c2-vtr-turbo

22nd February 2007, 17:10

Has a 4 wheel drive saxo ever been done? Ive been thinking about it and a turbo'd 4 wd saxo would be leathal lol.

i am thinking of makeing my c2 turbo 4 wheel drive just haveing price at the minute on the box beening made i am using a 3 lander prop shaf and r/diff and shafts.:y:

KamRacing

22nd February 2007, 17:25

I like 4wd for Rally cars and driving in snow lol. Out on the track I'm dubious as to the benifits over a well set up RWD application.

tweeqd

11th March 2007, 18:41

easiest way would be the AX 4x4 but I think it only had about 90bhp or less. May have torque issues with that

as above the ax 4x4 cant cope with the power of the 1.4
the best way would be to use a BE box then use the transfere box from a 405mi16 4x4 and custom rear axle and prop ;)

Foggy

11th March 2007, 22:37

Citroen built and rallied the Saxo T4.

I have a copy of the parts list available if you want it in PDF. (In french)

tweeqd

11th March 2007, 22:41

Citroen built and rallied the Saxo T4.

I have a copy of the parts list available if you want it in PDF. (In french)

yes please i have been looking in to this alot to get my power down

Foggy

11th March 2007, 22:57

PM me your email and I'll send it to you. 2 Mb file

Foggy

11th March 2007, 23:33

Have a look HERE (http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69336) for proof they exist :y:

woodsy

11th March 2007, 23:38

4x4 fiesta RS cosworth

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/woodsy23/DSC00206.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/woodsy23/DSC00204.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/woodsy23/DSC00173.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/woodsy23/DSC00172.jpg

boz

12th March 2007, 02:06

im sure ive seen rally cars on sky with the pug turbo engine and 4wheel drive.

mite have been the t16??

they all race on a track/circuit and the top 2 go on to the next round, there are allways saxo, 106s etc along with other rally cars. some top rally drivers in it too.

anyone know the name of the events or cars?? i have forgot lol

KamRacing

12th March 2007, 09:22

rallycross?

Karl

12th March 2007, 09:56

That fiesta is sickening to look at though.

WestyVTR

12th March 2007, 15:35

Tight!!

MaRiO89

12th March 2007, 15:38

Citroen rallied a saxo 4wd.. was called the T4.

nath106

12th March 2007, 15:45

cant seem to find anything on it. but i know iv seen it before. either on the net/on the tele or in a mag. it had about 350bhp and was a stripped 4wd monster.

come on someone else has to have seen it?

theres a 106 4wd, cossie chassis cut to accomodate a 106 shell. technically cheating:afro: