A V6 106/saxo?

[milesg]

i was looking on car domain earlier and saw a picture of a peugeot 106 eith a v6 and the v6 had a peugeot badge on it so i was wonderingif anyone knew about whether there is a v6 out there that will fit the 106/saxo(as the cars are the same underneath) easily?? :y:
thanks in advance for any help

[williamsvts]

can you not post the pic?

[landy]

there was a v6 106 on ebay a while ago i think

[djrem]

i think the keyword to remove there is "easily" lol.

there is a peugeot v6 engine but its not for the 106.
its for the 306.

You can get a gti lump in any 106:
http://www.pug-performance.com/pug-106-tuning.htm

there are 106s out there with gti6 engines (2 litres)

And there are conversions for a 306 to take a v6
http://www.pug-performance.com/pug-306-tuning.htm

With a hammer and some finesse, maybe a v6 will fit. :)

[vtr_stu]

ive seen 306's with the 406 coupe v6 in!

maybe you could squeeze that lump into a 106!!

that would be immense!!

[williamsvts]

there is a peugeot v6 engine but its not for the 106.
its for the 306.

its for the 406.

[milesg]

djrem - yeh i know all about the 306 gti-6 conversions and when i said easily i mean as in the like a 306 conversion is possible and not impossible to do.

i would post the pic but the bloke just had pictures on his car domain bit so not too much point, what i wana know is, is there a peugeot v6 out there that could fit? and i heard that with a 2.0 litre gti-6 conversion you lose power steering cos there is no room for the pump so would this be true with a v6?

[vtr_stu]

i would guess so m8!

you could probably fit no power steering, no air con, no washer bottle, no cooling fan lol!! and probably no bonnet!

[Ryan]

good luck getting a v6 in. personally dont see it fitting without major ballache. PP squeeze em in a 306 and thats not without its assaches.

i do know of a rear engined v6 106 though

[Ryan]

gti-6 you loose steering because of the size of the 6 speed box. so you need to weld a lock on the rack. nothing ive heard to do with the pump itself. also if the gti-6 barely fits why would you even think a v6 would at a larger capacity and dimension>

[milesg]

i saw one earlier today on a 106 from car domain, before that i didnt think it was possible but after seeing it i was interested in seeing how hard they are to fit, so it will fit, i just wana know
how much work involved
what things will i lose (e.g power steering)
what are the advantage/disadvantagehas anyone done this or know someone who has done it,
thanks

[Ryan]

i saw one earlier today on a 106 from car domain, before that i didnt think it was possible but after seeing it i was interested in seeing how hard they are to fit, so it will fit, i just wana know
how much work involved
what things will i lose (e.g power steering)
what are the advantage/disadvantagehas anyone done this or know someone who has done it,
thanks

how do you know it was real? there was a person in europe ages ago on a car site saying he had a v6 saxo/106... but it wasnt actually done, there were no pics of the actual car etc.. with the bonnet up, engine bay pics were of an engine not the one people suspected to be in the car.

until i see it i dont belive it. especially after seeing how tight a gti-6 was when it was the first one done in the uk.

if anything like that could fit it would involve lots of custom fabrication, probably custom driveshafts etc.. so not cheap.

[milesg]

well i dont really want to scroll through car domain again looking for it so you will have take my word for it, it was a 24v v6 in a 106 and it was a peugeot engine, so does anybody know anything about how this can be done or if it extremely hard in which case i will forget about it
thanks

[Ryan]

as i had said. please read, it will take a fucking shit load of work to get it in, you will need custom fabrication of engine mounts, probably the bulkhead cutting bending/moving etc... the gearbox would may not fit so would need a custom bell housing to run a different box, and the shafts would probably be the wrong size so would also need to be custom made.

stop dreaming.

[dsh85]

just found this on the domain

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2257865

it was named 106 supercharger+turbo
then theres v6 engine pictures????

theres no good straight on pictures of the engine bay just one in the background which is hard to tell, it could possibly be a 106 by the struts and inertia switch i dont know

[Ryan]

just found this on the domain

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2257865

it was named 106 supercharger+turbo
then theres v6 engine pictures????

theres no good straight on pictures of the engine bay just one in the background which is hard to tell, it could possibly be a 106 by the struts and inertia switch i dont know


thst would be the one seen around for a few years. many also belive the pics are just bullshit and of another engine not the actual car bay

[KamRacing]

Thats not a peugeot engine I'm pretty sure of that..

here is the Pug V6 in a 205.. and that is a tight fit
http://www.autoblog.nl/images/peugeot_205_gti_v6_engine.jpg

Something about that cardomain picture screams ford to me.. not sure though

[S34MER]

I this the car your talking about!? withe the Cossie V6 Turbo lump in there!

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4275&d=1174673629
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4276&d=1174673988

[Scott]

thats not a v6, did cosworth ever make a v6?

[CampDavid]

Yes, the 2.9 Litre in the Scorpio Cosworth was a V6 (or was it a straight six? hmmm)

My cousin has actually shoved a 2.9 from a scorpi into a Sierra. Which is nice.

That 106 is a monster

[Scott]

knew there would be a 6 variation somewhere in there line up:P

[Yates]

theres a furio that goes around darlo with v6 badges on ;)

[williamsvts]

that car domain 1 with the silver 106. its not a 106 engien bay. ABS is in the wrong place. also not a 106 brake MC resivoir.

kam - its def a pug engien, identical to teh 1 you posted. its just not in a 106, especially still keeping teh OE airbox.

[Mattsaxo]

That red 106 is a monster! I want... :)

[Ste]

the black pug i think is a Vauxhall V6 engine, looks almost identical....

A v6 is an almighty big lump for a small hatch lol, some serious power to be had

[Ryan]

the red 106 isnt really a 106 now though. has the floorpan irc of the sierra so its a 1064x4 :P

[CampDavid]

the shell etc is pug, the suspension and shafts is all cossie

[Ryan]

the shell etc is pug, the suspension and shafts is all cossie

theres a hell of alot of ford in it. something we know most forum users wouldnt be doing.

same as that 206 cossie, used alot of ford chiz and custom engineering.

[milesg]

so just so i know is a v6 question out of the question (without loads of bills for excessive work on it)
thanks

[Ryan]

YES it is out of the question.

[milesg]

but a 2.0 306 gti6 is ok? and any way that i could relocate the power steering pump so i could keep the power steering, as the 306 gti6 engine is ment to take up the space when its normally is??

[Ryan]

The gti-6 does fit but again is not a simple conversion. If i remember right the one ar PP when it was first done, had to have a custom mount made, the front drivers headlight on the 106 hit the inlet manifold and so aftermarket (less deep) lights were used. As i had said before regarding the steering on it, from what i spoke to colin about it was due to the gti-6 box, he had to run 17s because the sump was so big and would hit the ground, and also the rack had to have a lock welded on it because of the size of the box.

please read my posts as i had explained before about the gti-6.

[Ryan]

why not just tune a 16V vts/gti engine. it will be alot less grief!!

add to the fact the gti-6 is heavy and so will need suspension set up right for the car to not handle like a barge.

[CampDavid]

GTI-6 is a great engine in the 306, but it's too old and heavy for use here. The 206 GTI-180 lump would be a better starting point

[milesg]

could you fit a 206 gti-180 engine in a 106??

itsafastworld85 - do you mean your posts on this thread or on other threads, but your probably right, i just wanted to see if i could see if i could do sothing a bit different with the engine than the usuall tuning the gti which alot of ppl with 106s do these days as its fairly easy as you said and good power gains but just want know if something different is possible before i spend all my money tuning a gti engine

thanks

[Ryan]

could you fit a 206 gti-180 engine in a 106??

itsafastworld85 - do you mean your posts on this thread or on other threads, but your probably right, i just wanted to see if i could see if i could do sothing a bit different with the engine than the usuall tuning the gti which alot of ppl with 106s do these days as its fairly easy as you said and good power gains but just want know if something different is possible before i spend all my money tuning a gti engine

thanks

ive posted about the gti-6 a fair bit in this thread, and others.

the gti180 could be made to fit, but you say you want to be different. how much cash do you have? theres a guy on rallye reg running a xara 2.0L engine in the s1, and reading about everything he is having a hell of a lot of grief. I personally think a TU at 1600cc in a saxo/106 is fine and can be tuned to great spec in NA and boosted form, and this would be cheaper than shoving in a big heavy engine if you dont know what you are doing.

[milesg]

thats the thing, i would like this to be a project to do myself over the summer with a few mates, but i dont want to bite off more than i can chew if you know what i mean, i just want something on my car that sets it apart and i was thinking of doing it by having a engine to set me apart instead of body kits and the like.
i know this is going to sound annoying but money isnt really an issue at the minute i just want to be set apart and the original plan was for a throttle body or supercharger on the gti as i dont want to go for a turbo on this car,
but if there is alot of excessive work then i dont want to do it as i said i would like to do as much as possible myself
the 106 i would be working on is a s2 1998

also i know this is going to sound annoying but i want to make sure that i dont lose good cornering ability because of a heavy engine but i suppose i can just upgrade the suspension to handle that, right?

appreciate the help, thanks

[Ryan]

anything is possible with money.

to go with a heavy engine you would need lots of playing and ££ put into suspension to see what improves the way it handles with the heavy block. but it will probably still change the characteristics of the car itself.

are you and your mates all quite skilled? anyone have any mehcnaical background? as this will help alot, it can be done with the mi16 or as dave said the gti180 just it is not an easy bolt in job.

a throttle bodied s2 would rock but then i am a NA lover :P

if your going big BHP also you need to think about the gearbox and how you are going to put the power down. maybe a diff to think about aswell ontop.

theres so many different things. that if your skilled you can do, but if your not so many pits you can fall into

[milesg]

well i have mechanical knowledge as well as slight experience but nothing as much as engine swaps, bolt on parts mainly, trying to rope in one of mates who is a trainee mechanic as hes been doing it for ages but only just got into a proper qualification course for it, other than that my mates know the basics but in are in no means experts

i know there are some parts that i will have a garage do like the ecu etc but i wanted to fit the engine as it will be a long time in a garage as well as costing quite a bit, of course i havent got bottomless pockets but i will have the cash for an engine and the modification to it, aswell as supsension and brakes, obviously i would like to spend as little as possible like anyone would but willing to pay for the right stuff, i am aiming for the 200bhp mark maybe more and wanted a higher capacity than the current gti, although if it comes down to it i will be fine modifying the 1.6

havent thought about diffs ect, from what you know about this what stuff am i going to need as i think i have most of it panned right but not completely sure

i like the idea of a gti 180 from a 206 but it depends on what i can expect performance wise with a few modifications, and i like NA engines aswell mate but think that when it comes to small cars and jap tuners then i fink boosting them is a good way to go, love sound of a supercharger

cheers for all the help bud:y:

[Ryan]

id say boost if you want over 200bhp and that would be supercharging over turbo.

there are cars like tams ax which has a supercharged c2 engine running 240 atw
irc when i last read, or something daft like that.

TBs would give you around 170-185 power rating unless you go huge cash like bic did to get 204bhp.

people like gmc are the supercharger specialists imo and axsaxoman on here is john from gmc. so he would be best to give you advice on that front and most engines/suspension for that matter.

a quaife diff fitted to your box with new synchros etc... your looking at £800ish.. but will make getting the power down easyer and enable you to corner faster when driven right.

realistically for proper full on work you are looking at alot of money. my track car when built will owe me over 5k easily, and that inculdes an engine i got durt cheap running TBs.

and the car shell costing fuck all.

think wisely i know you want to be different and if you want to that much go for it, id just hate to hear you giving up because you tried to be different and run out of money/skills.

[milesg]

yeah mate i understand, i might stick with the current engine then if there isnt a peugeot/citroen engine thats going to be worth the swap, will sort out the diff and everything then, and go for the 200bhp mark,

thanks for all the help, rep added to you mate

[Ryan]

yeah mate i understand, i might stick with the current engine then if there isnt a peugeot/citroen engine thats going to be worth the swap, will sort out the diff and everything then, and go for the 200bhp mark,

thanks for all the help, rep added to you mate

no probs. you could allways go for a Z cars conversion... if you want to be diff.

RWD and something like a Type R engine.

[milesg]

yeh sorry thats what i forgot to ask, rear wheel drive, how easy can it be done, would love to have that on my little pug, i will have a look at the 206 engine an see how likely that is going to be, or as you say get a typre r conversion,lol, but if not will look at the current gti lump

[belly_VTS]

theres a lad on here doing a rwd conversion atm, heres the thread



http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73556 :y:

[Ryan]

rear engine conversion imo seems alot easyer. as there are pre made kits from Z cars etc.. so that it goes in. and there are good guides/help from them aswell.

pm hardcoresax on ssc. or what he is on here he will be able to give good advice.

[Ryan]

that thread is not of a rear engine set up though, just rwd. the rear engine set ups, use a frame at the rear where the engine hangs off the mounts, and also gives a good rollcage to :P

[tweeqd]

cosworth did do a V6 in the granada but there not that good, the engine in that red 106 is the YB 2.0 16v

as for the GTI6 106, Pug performance have done a few and are also doing one at the mo with a special garret shapped friend ;)
you only loose the power steering if you dont know what your doing and all the PP conversions HAVE power sterring fitted to them

there is also a 3.0 V6 rear engined 106 with extars and a twin engined GTI6 saxo ;)

if you want to be different mate try using the 1.8 XU 16v from the 306, its the same size as the gti6 but the same weight as the VTS, sandy on the rallye register fitted one in one of his 309's and played with it and it fly's

[belly_VTS]

least youl get to keep your seats tho with a front engine rwd coversion

[belly_VTS]

:P but theres more room in the back

[Ryan]

least youl get to keep your seats tho with a front engine rwd coversion

why you dont need passengers they just slow you down.

[Ryan]

cosworth did do a V6 in the granada but there not that good, the engine in that red 106 is the YB 2.0 16v

as for the GTI6 106, Pug performance have done a few and are also doing one at the mo with a special garret shapped friend ;)
you only loose the power steering if you dont know what your doing and all the PP conversions HAVE power sterring fitted to them

there is also a 3.0 V6 rear engined 106 with extars and a twin engined GTI6 saxo ;)

if you want to be different mate try using the 1.8 XU 16v from the 306, its the same size as the gti6 but the same weight as the VTS, sandy on the rallye register fitted one in one of his 309's and played with it and it fly's


will have to do some research into sandys 309 :P

ja just need the welding done on the rack or to not use the gti-6 box, thats the way colin got round the steering issue was it not?

shame the twin gti-6 is gonna be slowed down with that gash bodykit etc...

whens the rear engined wide arch xsiiiiiiiiii due to be finished? last time i was there not much was done.

[belly_VTS]

why you dont need passengers they just slow you down.

i wasnt thinkin passengers;)

[tweeqd]

the twin gti6 and the wide arch xsi have been in the same state for a while lol
i think the gti6 owner ranout of money (moved back with parents last i heard) and colin says he doesnt get any time to finish the xsi as hes always on customers cars lol

they fit the power steering to the cars but ive been swarn to secracy by colin on how they do it ;)
driving a 106 with PAS is a bugger let alone with the weight of the GTI6 lump

[Ryan]

i wasnt thinkin passengers;)

so why do you want to retain your rear seat then?

as with a rear engine you still retain str front driving position.

[Ryan]

the twin gti6 and the wide arch xsi have been in the same state for a while lol
i think the gti6 owner ranout of money (moved back with parents last i heard) and colin says he doesnt get any time to finish the xsi as hes always on customers cars lol

they fit the power steering to the cars but ive been swarn to secracy by colin on how they do it ;)
driving a 106 with PAS is a bugger let alone with the weight of the GTI6 lump

lol ive got pics of the first one when it was done, colin was like an expecting father when it was nearly done, couldnt wait for it to be done, then when i next spoke to him you couldnt wipe the smile off his face. think his exact words were 'fuck me is it fast'

shame that brens car they dont have time to work on as i think it will be a masterpiece going on the arches and from what colin said the plans were. would be good to show that they can produce great cars and shut up alot of critics.

any news on the black 306 with the spethal engine and running gear :P i shant say what incase people are not meant to know.

yep last i heard was the same about the gti-6 saxo, its prob still sitting in the same corner lol!!

[KamRacing]

sandy on the rallye register fitted one in one of his 309's and played with it and it fly's

guess what engine now sits in my workshop :y:

[milesg]

so is the gti6 engine alot heavier than the 106 gti engine, and if so is there any way of lightning it, e.g replacing parts with lighter parts, i think i will definatly go for a rwd conversion as this will set the car apart from most, but if i could have the gti6 engine that would be great but if not then i will have to boost the gti some way. anyone know where lighter parts, e.g carbon fibre bonnets etc are available for a 106 as i cant seem to find one??

thanks for help everyone :y:

[Ryan]

lightening the front end with a lighter bonnet wont make up for the change in weight distrobution from having a fucking huge block sitting in it.

engine internals you wont lighten by naff all.

[S34MER]

did cosworth ever make a v6?


certainly did Scotty boy!

V6 24v Engine ;)

[tweeqd]

lol ive got pics of the first one when it was done, colin was like an expecting father when it was nearly done, couldnt wait for it to be done, then when i next spoke to him you couldnt wipe the smile off his face. think his exact words were 'fuck me is it fast'

shame that brens car they dont have time to work on as i think it will be a masterpiece going on the arches and from what colin said the plans were. would be good to show that they can produce great cars and shut up alot of critics.

the new onw with turbo is mental and to look from the outside you would think its a standard gti :clapping:

any news on the black 306 with the spethal engine and running gear :P i shant say what incase people are not meant to know.

yep last i heard was the same about the gti-6 saxo, its prob still sitting in the same corner lol!!

the black one has the running gear but the SPECIAL engine is not in yet just a standard 6 for now
and yes the twin 6 saxo is still in the same bay lol

the engine is waiting to go in the xsi and is a master piece :omg:

there are some serious car up there now, was up there last week getting some bits for mine and hes creating some bloody good cars

[Ryan]

the new onw with turbo is mental and to look from the outside you would think its a standard gti :clapping:


the black one has the running gear but the SPECIAL engine is not in yet just a standard 6 for now
and yes the twin 6 saxo is still in the same bay lol

the engine is waiting to go in the xsi and is a master piece :omg:

there are some serious car up there now, was up there last week getting some bits for mine and hes creating some bloody good cars

thats all good to hear im a fan of colin, think hes a good laugh. at times he may not be the fastest, but you cant fault him for having the balls to try anything, espec considering he doesnt even have a set of lifting ramps.

hmmm the engine in the xsi sounds sexy!!

i may need to speak to you about a gearbox casing at some point if its ok dude, gotta strip freedo off RR's box appart to find out what is salvagable.

might have to talk to colin about going and doing a photoshoot for him for some of the cars and stuff.

[danboy]

friend of mine converted his saxo to rear wheel drive with a 2litre type r engine in the boot. fun fun fun

[jpsaxo]

I know of a lad thats put a 206 gti-180 in a 205, running forgies, cams and Tb's, kicking out around 230bhp iirc

[Ryan]

I know of a lad thats put a 206 gti-180 in a 205, running forgies, cams and Tb's, kicking out around 230bhp iirc

205 has a bigger bay though.

205s rock :P

i still want to find a mint one but sadly most have been fucked u by chavvy cunts.

[jpsaxo]

lol, Yep they have bigger bay - and even then he's got serious issues with bonnet clearence and the trumpet lengths...

[Ryan]

he used an auto bonnet?

think its the autobonnet that has the greater rased section...

[jpsaxo]

Fucks knows, lol, not seen him for a couple of months - been too busy with my project :)

When mines done ill pop over to his and see how he's getting on, I had a pic on my pc but that decided to go bang the other day!

[Ryan]

im sure id seen you posting about it ages ago.

the autobonnet would prob help with clearance issues..

failing that cut the fuck out of the slam pannel lol!