saxo turbo

[markus1986]

alrite chaps do yas no whers the cheapest place to get a turbo kit for my vtr. cheers

[hesslevtr]

carworx i thinks 1 of the cheapest

how much have you got to spend

[markus1986]

as much as it takes to get it done. lending it off me da but the cheaper the betta really mate

[hesslevtr]

your only going to get a basic kit for the cheapest

you will then have to upgrade breaks and clutch etc so it does strat getting expensive

[markus1986]

yeah a no mate just want the basic turbo kit and will go from ther

[hesslevtr]

best speaking to carworx or going on there site

cituning do 1 aswel but carworx is better

[WestyVTR]

your looking at 5-7k mate!

GMC - can build you wot ever you want for the money you have!

[bullit]

supercharger ftw

[S34MER]

supercharger ftw

agreed, and less strain on the engine too!

[boz]

turbo or supercharger will cost you alot. there is no such thing as a cheap turbo kit lol, once you get the bug, you will want more and more power and thats where the problems start lol

i would get some bigger brakes and better clutch first as these are the most important parts, if these go the car is useless.

you get get a set of 206 gti or 306 gti-6 brakes and calipers for cheap and they are spot on. an uprated clutch is a must have, try a helix clutch ;)

carworx do some good setups and are priced well. get a t25 turbo, with intercooler and all the gear to run it, like extra injector, mf2, sig con, 2 bar map sensor, twin head gaskets etc.
it will need to be setup by a pro too. car worx know their shit and can do the whole hog.

gmc specialise in superchargers but will build you a turbo setup if you have the cash.

either are fun to drive ;)

but power equals big cash and maintaining the power also equals big cash

[S34MER]

boz is spot on, with everything he's said there. I think its comical the amount of people that come on here asking where to get a Turbo/S'Charger conversion done, but haven't done the slightest bit of reasearch into it!

[VTS_16v_Boy]

Personally unless your looking to retire the car to a weekend drive then blown/forced induction is not worth it. You could get almost 80% of the frills from a well sorted NA tuned engine with decent either 16v or 8v Airfilter/Manifold/Exhaust/cams and remap. WilliamsVTS (I think thats his name, sorry if it isnt) is runing about 160bhp :panic:

Not quite sure what the same items would produce on an 8v but Im sure it would be pushin around 120bhp possibly 130bhp

If you got the cash then by all means do it but its not just a case of sticking the hair-dryer on it then off you go, like mention theres alot that goes with it - becarefull, Blown NA engines can turn into money pits

[Ryan]

thats bull! if set up right a blown engine especially supercharged will be perfectly fine as an everyday driver, and will last a long time.

[WestyVTR]

True true!

just gotta be looked after ie oil & fluid changes regularly, belts changed regularly, parts replaced when worn, and driven correctly liek warming it up before opening it up etc etc....

VTR's can see 160bhp also for the record.

[Ryan]

True true!

just gotta be looked after ie oil & fluid changes regularly, belts changed regularly, parts replaced when worn, and driven correctly liek warming it up before opening it up etc etc....

VTR's can see 160bhp also for the record.

should take 160bhp easily. MIkes charged vtr did irc, and ran fine with no probs..

so many nooobs talking rubbish nowadays lol

[WestyVTR]

Even n.a they can see 160 if done correctly. 160 is a nice figure to run at its not silly power but enough for a quick car!!

[Ryan]

Even n.a they can see 160 if done correctly. 160 is a nice figure to run at its not silly power but enough for a quick car!!


costs alot more though going NA...

dont know of NA s2 rallyes hitting 160 yet..
most push 150 ish...

and thats after alot of work with the tbs, head, and cams..

[WestyVTR]

no2?? on tap then...

[Ryan]

no2?? on tap then...


thats for gayliners :P

[WestyVTR]

LMAO!

If your borrowing the cash of your dad then go for TBs as well as turbo! add a little no2 just to annoy "itsafastworld85" LOL

[Ryan]

LMAO!

If your borrowing the cash of your dad then go for TBs as well as turbo! add a little no2 just to annoy "itsafastworld85" LOL



lol id love to see someone hit nos mid corner :P

everyone brags about 1/4 which is usually about the car not the driver.

[WestyVTR]

true! sideways & ur mate screems "hit the nos now".......... woops!

new topic " how to uncrumple my car" LMBO!

[bullit]

supercharger ran with boost down would be fine

[Ryan]

supercharger ran with boost down would be fine

another one who agrees and doesnt need a 400000 word essay to post something of use!

[nassso]

I think the best choice is to make your car N/A about 160 hp with VTS engine and then add some nitrous for 1/4 run. You will probably see low 14's or high 13's with cammed vts with nitrous added.

[Ryan]

I think the best choice is to make your car N/A about 160 hp with VTS engine and then add some nitrous for 1/4 run. You will probably see low 14's or high 13's with cammed vts with nitrous added.

o god the nos brigade are out in force troday :homme:

[boz]

another one who agrees and doesnt need a 400000 word essay to post something of use!

hope that wasnt aimed at me??
was just trying to give the person some advise, he asked for a responce. i gave him one.
as for the 400000 word essay.
all that spam you have been ranting on about on here equates to more than i wrote.

[Toad]

LMAO!!

[Ryan]

hope that wasnt aimed at me??
was just trying to give the person some advise, he asked for a responce. i gave him one.
as for the 400000 word essay.
all that spam you have been ranting on about on here equates to more than i wrote.


nope bullit knows what im on about.

[BrightSideTeeEm]

id just part ex your vtr for a VTS if i was borrowing 5-7K...

[boz]

nope bullit knows what im on about.

lol no probs mate, just ignore me. im feeling a bit ratty at the moment, been a long day ;) lol

[Ryan]

lol no probs mate, just ignore me. im feeling a bit ratty at the moment, been a long day ;) lol


rolf on the blob???:homme: :homme: :homme:

[boz]

forget the spam remark to ;) just had a laugh reading through all the posts.

what you got against nitrous lol

never been a big fan tbh, fast and furious put me off it ;) lmbo

[tweeqd]

do it properly like i have a use and turbo and nos ;)

[boz]

rolf on the blob???:homme: :homme: :homme:

LMAO

nah, sat around all day in court for jury service, wasnt called up. had to sit around and wait, wouldnt let us go home early.
got home and started working on the car, making good progress then the missus comes in from work and gives me an ear bashing lol

one of those days ;)

[Ryan]

forget the spam remark to ;) just had a laugh reading through all the posts.

what you got against nitrous lol

never been a big fan tbh, fast and furious put me off it ;) lmbo

im not a fan of nos because all the little rude boys think its proper tunung..

like 10bhp for induction + 15bhp exhaust + 300bhp shot of nos... so in can do a 10 second 1/4 but cant actually drive for shit or go round any form of bend for that matter.

[Ryan]

do it properly like i have a use and turbo and nos ;)

yes but martin yours is a proper engine/box/suspension system! you can drive it round bends not just gaylining!!!:homme: :homme:

shame craig couldnt get the power down with the nos at llandow!

[spencer_cammedvts]

talking about superchargers i got intouch with john at GMC yesterday and i priced up for a supercharger kit running 220bhp@wheels come out to just over £8200! was gobsmacked! that includes fitting mapping & standalone.

anywhere cheaper? just come into A LOT of money and either turbo or supercharge is the way i am DEFINATLY going. just dont wat to waste money when i could pick up an awesome second hand turbo kit for £800 or something.

what you recon? where is the cheapest p[lace to buy parts or the easyest way round getting everything. do you recon its orth waiting & picking up all the bits separately? dont see any second hand superchargers about!

[Scott]

if you have come into a LOT of money just buy it new and have warranty etc on the charger

[spencer_cammedvts]

yer but for £8200 i could buy a scooby & run twice the power! bit exaggerated but you know what i mean. will have £20,000 but im saving half towards a deposit for a house. i cant warrent spending that much on a 10 year old sax.

[KamRacing]

the only way a turbo conversion will be less reliable than a supercharger conversion is if it is a botch job. Done propely theres no real difference except what drives the compressor, belt or exhaust gasses. Done on the cheap - expect a lot of issues to arise

[VTS_16v_Boy]

another one who agrees and doesnt need a 400000 word essay to post something of use!

Ouuuuuuuuue :homme:

hope that wasnt aimed at me??

Think it might have been aimed at me :p Think I upset him the other week when I said 'I liked Custom Exhausts' hehehehehe :y:

yer but for £8200 i could buy a scooby & run twice the power! bit exaggerated but you know what i mean. will have £20,000 but im saving half towards a deposit for a house. i cant warrent spending that much on a 10 year old sax.

Thats avery good point I oftern say to people postin about Blown engines, In my eyes I couldnt justify spending all that money and it still only being a Saxo, for the same money you could get something like you said.

[Ryan]

Think it might have been aimed at me :p Think I upset him the other week when I said 'I liked Custom Exhausts' hehehehehe :y:
.

nothing to do with custom exhausts, to do with talking complete nonsense.

[Sean]

the only way a turbo conversion will be less reliable than a supercharger conversion is if it is a botch job. Done propely theres no real difference except what drives the compressor, belt or exhaust gasses. Done on the cheap - expect a lot of issues to arise

Huge difference between turbo and supercharger, not just what drives the compressor but more importantly (in terms of reliability) the way the power is delivered. For instance on a saxo a turbo will show peak boost at around 3k rpm and pull right to limiter- this sudden burst of all the extra power at once puts a huge strain on the drivetrain, whereas with a supercharger the delivery is far more linear ie 3psi@3k, 5psi@4k, 8psi@6k and so on which will put less of a strain on the drivetrain than a turbo. For both reliability and driveability I would always go down the supercharger route, but different people have different preferances. :)

[spencer_cammedvts]

yer but its just the money with a superccharger. seems to work out so much more expensive.

[VTS_16v_Boy]

nothing to do with custom exhausts, to do with talking complete nonsense.

Ooooooh, Glade we cleared that up :bored:

My view are not nonsense just my own personal views and thats how they should be taken - Thank you very much

[KamRacing]

Huge difference between turbo and supercharger, not just what drives the compressor but more importantly (in terms of reliability) the way the power is delivered. For instance on a saxo a turbo will show peak boost at around 3k rpm and pull right to limiter- this sudden burst of all the extra power at once puts a huge strain on the drivetrain, whereas with a supercharger the delivery is far more linear ie 3psi@3k, 5psi@4k, 8psi@6k and so on which will put less of a strain on the drivetrain than a turbo. For both reliability and driveability I would always go down the supercharger route, but different people have different preferances. :)

I totally agree but an engine properly prepared for running boost will be reliable regardless of whether a supercharger or turbocharger is fitted. Certainly depending on your turbo choice you will either get a smooth but rapid power delivery or a real off/on shove in the back. With any conversion its never a good idea to skimp and save as you end up replacing broken parts. For a road car i'd go for the supercharger due to its power delivery but for a trackcar you can't beat a turbo. I would guess the supercharger may be kinder to the chocolate ma gearbox internals though.

[spencer_cammedvts]

im pretty sure im gonna go down the turbo route. what turbo would you guys say is the best to get though? would be looking to run 200bhp@wheels.

also what parts are needed. not very upto date on turboing but will do all the work myself. what is needed ontop of the following?:
turbo,
manifold,
intercooler,
oilcooler & pipework,
intake piping,
5 bigger injectors,
stand alone management & wideband,
forged pistons,
another head gasket to lower compression,
4.5bar fpr,
gearbox,
clutch,
maybe baffled sump,

anything else you can think of?

[Sean]

spencer do a search for the kit needed, but irrc Simo was running a T2 which ran out of puff at 180@wheels, so you should be looking at a T3 or T25 or a hybrid of both.

[spencer_cammedvts]

cheers matey

[Scott]

spencer do a search for the kit needed, but irrc Simo was running a T2 which ran out of puff at 180@wheels, so you should be looking at a T3 or T25 or a hybrid of both.

it did run a 190 at the wheels. T2 would be fine if you ran an external waste gate though i would rather start looking at T25 and i beleive simo has one still sitting his window sill:P

[djrem]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/106-saxo-vtr-turbo-engine-56k_W0QQitemZ170097264412QQcategoryZ10406QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Heres whats included:
Running at 1bar (15psi) this engine should produce between 180 and 200bhp

here is a full break down of what is included.

VTR silver top roller rocker engine
56k on the engine
head off for inspection and clean up
Modified rocker cover with no vent back to plenum
Tapped sump for oil return
2 x head gaskets to lower the compression ratio.
Cossie intercooler
Custom build, Stainless steel manifold. (brand new)
The start of a down pipe (rest needs welding on while engine is in to get it to all line up)
Pirtek oil feed in stainless steel, (brand new)
Custom made oil return to sump, above oil level line.
MF2 additional injector driver (brand new)
Manual boost controller with blue vacuum hose and custom mount (brad new)
2 x 220cc injectors
1 x 550 cossie injector ( incase the one of the 220cc's is not delivering enough, you can replace with a 550cc)
AFR gauge, to setup and monitor the amount of fuel entering the engine, via a lambda sensor reading.
T25 ar.46 turbo charger
Oil take of plate with built in thermostat. bradn new
Boost pipes (no hoses)
Audi re-circulating dump valve (brand new)
Boost gauge (brand new)
Gauge pillar pod (brand new)

As i type, its at £300

[VTS_16v_Boy]

There are some very impressive shopping lists :)

HAte to see the bill tho :(

[Ryan]

Ooooooh, Glade we cleared that up :bored:

My view are not nonsense just my own personal views and thats how they should be taken - Thank you very much

personal views shouldnt come into account when it comes to physics lol!

[Ryan]

spencer thought you were running 708s?

planning on changing the cams to a different model? as alot seem to stay clear of such a lairy cam with boost.

[WestyVTR]

708's with Wasshhhptssshhhh! will be grea fun!!!

Do it, turbo all the way, are those cams to wild for turbo though on second thought! set urself a budget half of 20k so lets say 7-8k!??

Call GMC and say i want to give you 7k for 200hp at my wheels what can you do for me!???? Im sure John will be more than accomodating!

[bullit]

how have gmc quoted that, i dont know. if you wanna turbo though spence saxodaffy is the person to talk too. westy normally a lower profile is used with a blower, profile down form that

[Ryan]

think sean on ssc is planning on 708s with supercharger. although some are worried about blow by..

i know catcams etc.. do a septhal grind for the boosted homos!

[WestyVTR]

i though they were a little on the wild side!

[Ryan]

he recons it can be done, i think alot are waiting to see what happens.

[WestyVTR]

he recons it can be done, i think alot are waiting to see what happens.


agreed! :drink:

[Ryan]

agreed! :drink:



boost is ghey :homme: :homme:

[WestyVTR]

LMBO....

[spencer_cammedvts]

boost is ghey :homme: :homme:

but it rips your face off!!!!

[Ryan]

ROLF whoever gave me bad rep for the comments made. did you read my comments?? performance and physics have nothing to do with personal opinions!!!!!

[spencer_cammedvts]

i asure you it wernt me matey! i got one the other day for something stupid! just thick people that dont like being proven worng or being beaten at anything. shouldnt worry bout it.

[Ryan]

i asure you it wernt me matey! i got one the other day for something stupid! just thick people that dont like being proven worng or being beaten at anything. shouldnt worry bout it.

no i expect it was a mod as i said something offensive..

people need to learn though when they are wrong about something.. how else do they expect to learn? im wrong and people will tell me!

i wouldnt go and tell a blind kid he is destined to see the world.....

[VTS_16v_Boy]

i wouldnt go and tell a blind kid he is destined to see the world.....


:p Yer you would :p

[KamRacing]

i've seen the Marvel film Daredevil so it must be true

[Ryan]

:p Yer you would :p

no id tell him theres a big mac in the corner of a round room ;)

[kenny]

best thing to do is to check for insurance first before you go down the route of adding a turbo or a supercharger to your car as i know that theres not many insurance companies will touch you on it depending on your age. best to find out before diving in at the deep end

[saxodaffy]

alot of money goes into it mate if you want it doing properly, like people have said you cant do it cheaply cause it will cause you alot more in the long run. It toook me about 2 months of research befor i finaly new what i was going to do. here is the spec of my car.
stage 3 gas flowed head **
skimmed head **
competion head gasket **
uprated head bolts **
omega 8.2.1 low com pistons over sized to 78.8 **
boared and horned barrels **
forged con rods **
gt28rs turbo (320bhp) **
3 bar map sensor **
flow matched 398 cc injectors **
tubular manifold **
turbosmart ultra gate external waste gate 38mm **
Bosch 7 057 wideband oxygen sensor **
ported throttle body **
custom fly wheel (due to new clutch) **
ap twin plate 4 paddle clutch *
vernier pulleys **
sports cam belt **
quaife atb differential
b m quick shift *
stainless inlet manifold
new water pump **
new oil pump **
full samco hoses **
stainless turbo down pipe **
kent cams re profile to spec of car **
oil cooler *
apexi avcr
greddy turbo timer
stand alone ecu (vems3.3) **
front mount intercooler with stainless pipe work
uprated fuel pump (grp n) *
group n engine mounts
braided turbo oil feed **
chrome rocker cover
10 lb nitrous bottle **
running 50 shot jets **

as you can see not the shortest of shopping list and not the cheapest but i no that everything should be running ok