port, polished and gas flowed head

[saxi_boi]

alrite guys,

i've searched through the site and cant seem to find anything relevant to what i want.

Just want to know if anyone knows anyone cheao in the yorkshire area that can port, polish and gas flow my cylinder head on my vtr? how much do u reckon i can get it done for, got a few prices already.

CHeers

Tony

[Ste]

£450 from Cittuning on an exchange basis if you fit yourself.....

Ive been gandering around Yorkshire but cant find any that have a rep for being good. Im going into puma speed this week to get a manifold so im asking them if they do it. Pretty well known for Ford tuning so we'll see.

[andymanc]

how much u been quoted, what sorta performance gains can tht get u?

[KamRacing]

I would shop by reputation rather than cost.

From up your way I would contact Rob at Shenpar. Thing is they're more Midlands than Yorkshire though.

[saxi_boi]

well some rally experts off ebay that do this for a living will take mine and send me one already done all for £200 plus postage. then a local place that i dont trust quoted me £350. it make a major difference but u need a remap and everything to account for the amount of air flow increase.

[saxi_boi]

wer bouts is it? u got a website mate? ps do u do rallying?

[bullit]

i woudnt touch cituning with a barge pole tbh


prices depends on how much you want taking off

[saxi_boi]

as much as possible as i'll wanna take it to the limit to get the most out of it.

[bullit]

head work on it own dont expect much, it comes into play when the cam ist changed

if the garage or who ever has half a brain. you wnat to tell them waht cam your going to use and you want your head work to match it. no point flowing it for england when the extra wont be used. QEP are the daddies

[Ste]

http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/xindex.php Thats puma speed as Kam says rep is by far the best thing to go on IMO

Not far from Hull tbh......

[saxi_boi]

yeah i've already bought a kent rally/race cam want to do it all at the same time then remap

[saxi_boi]

what's IMO?

[Ste]

Jinx

What cam profile have you got? I want to do the same get the head done cam fitted and remapped on the same day....

In my opinion (IMO)

[bullit]

£450 from Cittuning on an exchange basis if you fit yourself.....

well that isnt based on reputation

[Ste]

Yea just as a guide, i was quoted £700 including fitment..... by cit

So i stayed away!!!!

[saxi_boi]

yeah i'm going to fit the lot at work and then trailor it to a garage that'll do ecu, unless i can get it to run sufficient enough to drive it there, not sure what profile the cam is:S lol

i just know i need to uprate my injectors and fuel rail and pump? and have a better throttle body than standard

[saxi_boi]

an other place anyone can think, all so far have been great already got in touch with them

[saxi_boi]

anymore ideas guys?

plus wot do you lot think... i'm in tlks with this guy off ebay wo has a brand new head that all the work has already been done to rally spec and he want £200 cash for collection? seems genuine like but wot do u guys think??

[bullit]

like i said mate ring qep, tell them your cam profile and get them to match your head to it. ask for a quote on that. i wouldnt get any blocks off ebay to be honest. bad headwork can ruin your car.

as for driving it to get it mapped, iive ran mine unmapped for months, aslong as its idling ok dont worry to much.

http://www.q-e-p.co.uk/ might recommend matching a cam aswell

[turbo_dave]

Quite simply, no flow figures = walk away.

Any wanker with a Dremel can 'port' a head and make it look good in exchange for £200, but they'll never get it flowing correctly, which makes for a shit engine and tuning woes.

And anyone that cuts back the heatsinks on the exhaust side, or mentions 'polishing' deserves to have their scrotum set on fire.

[williamsvts]

yeah i'm going to fit the lot at work and then trailor it to a garage that'll do ecu, unless i can get it to run sufficient enough to drive it there, not sure what profile the cam is:S lol

i just know i need to uprate my injectors and fuel rail and pump? and have a better throttle body than standard

you cant use your standard ecu if your using bigger injectors. but why would you need to change injectors for a cammed vtr??

just up the fuel pressure. and what throttle body are you planning on using?

[saxi_boi]

Quite simply, no flow figures = walk away.

Any wanker with a Dremel can 'port' a head and make it look good in exchange for £200, but they'll never get it flowing correctly, which makes for a shit engine and tuning woes.

And anyone that cuts back the heatsinks on the exhaust side, or mentions 'polishing' deserves to have their scrotum set on fire.

lol very true mate. u got any ideas of who to go to??

[williamsvts]

Gmc, Qep

[KamRacing]

i just know i need to uprate my injectors and fuel rail and pump? and have a better throttle body than standard

what cam have you chosen. Unless its a race jobbie I doubt that your fueling system will be pushed anywhere near its limit. Don't waste your money.

anymore ideas guys?

plus wot do you lot think... i'm in tlks with this guy off ebay wo has a brand new head that all the work has already been done to rally spec and he want £200 cash for collection? seems genuine like but wot do u guys think??

will he tell you who did the work? If he can't produce receipts or details then walk away. I would want to be able to contact the people who did the work to ask questions about its true spec.
What is 'Rally spec' anyway lol
Now if it was advertised as a head off a works rallye car I might be more interested, but id still want proof.

Quite simply, no flow figures = walk away.

Any wanker with a Dremel can 'port' a head and make it look good in exchange for £200, but they'll never get it flowing correctly, which makes for a shit engine and tuning woes.

And anyone that cuts back the heatsinks on the exhaust side, or mentions 'polishing' deserves to have their scrotum set on fire.

amen to that.


Heres what you need to do. You need to find a tuner that has experience in working on these cars. Has QEP worked on a citreon cylinder head? If they have then dig further for their advice. Contact companies that prepare saxo racecars for their advice. It may or may not be worth your money.

[saxi_boi]

kool great advice guys, i've gone for a kent cam with a lift of 10.51 and they suggest i uprated the injection system by replacing the injectors fuel pump and have it remapped immediately or buy a stand alone ecu that can be tuned to wot ever. on the other hand i can run the car with the cams with standard fueling but it will reduce acceleration due to it not having enough fuel pressure supposidly which i can believe. that head of ebay is from a rally engine prep comapany in lincoln, he said it would be ideal for wot i wanted it for, which is rallying... i wanted to use motorbike carbs and have a play around with the jets tuning wise and do away with my ecu map all together, but other people suggested that i just got a ported throttle body, or individual bodies for each cylinder. wot do u think??

[williamsvts]

why would you wnat to go from EFI to carbs? its old technology and not as accurate.

[saxi_boi]

they let more air in better acceleration

[Toad]

well some rally experts off ebay that do this for a living will take mine and send me one already done all for £200 plus postage. then a local place that i dont trust quoted me £350. it make a major difference but u need a remap and everything to account for the amount of air flow increase.


You won't need a re-map.

[Toad]

Having just read ALL the comments, I need to say a bit more I think.

If you already have the cams, and other breathing mods installed, and mapped, you wont' need a re-map after the headwork. If the map was done pretty spot on in the first place, then you should be OK. When you make those changes that you mention to the cylinder head, your engine will have a POSSIBLE tendancy to run slightly lean top end, but this isn't always going to be the case.

I recently had some headwork done to my 106. The company that did the work for me, received the head from Hiflowheads. Anyhow, I saw some nice gains with the replacement head. Not just peak power, some nice torque and bhp through the majority of the rev range, but this did involve a tweak of the cam timing, so that's worth noting too. All in all, I gained around 10 - 12 bhp with a big valve cylinder head replacement on the standard head before.

[KamRacing]

kool great advice guys, i've gone for a kent cam with a lift of 10.51 and they suggest i uprated the injection system by replacing the injectors fuel pump and have it remapped immediately or buy a stand alone ecu that can be tuned to wot ever. on the other hand i can run the car with the cams with standard fueling but it will reduce acceleration due to it not having enough fuel pressure supposidly which i can believe. that head of ebay is from a rally engine prep comapany in lincoln, he said it would be ideal for wot i wanted it for, which is rallying... i wanted to use motorbike carbs and have a play around with the jets tuning wise and do away with my ecu map all together, but other people suggested that i just got a ported throttle body, or individual bodies for each cylinder. wot do u think??

whats the cam version? Fast road, race? got the model number?
I think you need to seek other advice from a tuner rather than this ebay person. I take it you are talking about the sp performance head.

Now this company is a bit of a mystery and because of that I would be loath to use them. no=one i know seems to know anything about them and usually if someone is good then word of mouth speads fast.
You really need throttle bodies not carbs. You can fit bike carbs but i have so far not seen any car showing good results using them

[williamsvts]

they let more air in better acceleration

why not sue throttle bodies then? carbs are old.