are you crazy out there?

[SARGE]

i am searching the site...
in the photo gallery the 90% of the cars have alloy bigger than 15'-16'...i would like to ask if there is any interest for speed in GB...what about street racing?
here in Greece we (Str.racers) are searching first of all the weight of the alloy and then all the others features...i am not trying to say something bad for you but it seems a little freak for me...you know smileys/smiley8.gif !!!
anyway...how many kg/hp do your car have...i am just trying to understand your culture!

[Scott]

lol i know what you mean most saxo owners in britain are not concerned with making the car go faster but to make the car look better. But dont think there are no big power cars here, in fact there nearly as much people searching for power as there are stylers but they tend to keep a bit more quiet.

We have some very big power cars here, i mean simos at his last power run was 181 BHP at the wheels and is expected to make more at its next remap session. The M-Developments saxo made 163.3mph on the standard limiter with a vtr box. GMC made a taiwanise (spelling) race car, that was the 1.4 8v which ran throttle bodies and a supercharger and it made around 250BHP at the wheels!

thats a very very vey small selection of the power guys.

We dont really like street racing here in britain, well the power guys dont we tend to prefer the safeness of the track or quarter mile strip

[SARGE]

this means that there isn't any road that you can run for 400 - 700m with other cars...Honda etc... because here we have a plae like that and seemw like burning hell!! smileys/smiley2.gif
i have a friend with a turbo pug 1.6 more than 450hp...
and the car , except of the alloys which are 15; kosei k1, is still like a simple factory car...

[SARGE]

..external! smileys/smiley2.gif

[Scott]

lol please list the spec of the 450 hp turbo

[Raysax]

smileys/smiley3.gif 450bhp smileys/smiley3.gif

[Scott]

im afraid i cant beleive that figure until i see some specs of the engine etc... unless they use a different method of charting power than we do.

Even if that 450 is quoted as the fly figure the wheels figure would still be nearly 350 bhp which would take a serious serious serous amount of work

[SARGE]

i will not give you a lot of details because it isnt my car...
b u t i can tell you that the tuning lasted about 11 months and the budget? up to 10.000euros...

[SARGE]

imagine that with 5th gear, if you step on it the car burning out... smileys/smiley11.gif

[Scott]

sorry i dont beleive it not at least til i hear some specs

[SARGE]

what specs do you need?
in order to ask him... smileys/smiley16.gif

[SARGE]

forget to say that in the car will use n2o in some days... smileys/smiley11.gif smileys/smiley11.gif smileys/smiley11.gif

now you can understand the differences between our countries... smileys/smiley9.gif

[Scott]

lol not really we have the same stuff heresmileys/smiley17.gif

so what does the engine make without the nos maybe it will be a bt more beleivable once i hear that?

just the spec of the engine would be goodsmileys/happy.gif

[SARGE]

the bhp i gave is without nos...!

[jamesg88]

it has to be a twin engined car then to be running a figure such high

how the hell do you get 450 brake from a pug 106 ??

you sure you got it right ?

[vtsturbo]

sarge you`ll definately have to get the spec off your mate and post it. i did see pics and read about a white 106 somewhere on the net before that was running approx. 276@fly, add 150 n2o to that then your pretty close to the 450 mark so not nessasserily in need of two engines. all said though it`s obvious that poeple will be dubious as those sort of power figures have not been achieved yet in uk. also i doubt even the mighty tu block could take that amount of bhp with 150 n2o aswell as circa 300 is enough never mind ading 150 n2o!

[Scott]

you need to get specs on this SARGE if it does indeed run 450bhp without nos it will be an awesome bit of machinery but to be honest i just dont beleive it

[SARGE]

i am just waitng his sms with the specs

[burtay]

350hp ... and 5th gear burning out seems a bit suspicuis.

i wouldnt buy alloys more than 15' , but if my car was turbo then i would surely put 17', but at this point it will slow down my car a lot.

[Simo]

UK law is too strict to allow MOST people to bother street racing!

small wheels for acceleration though I agree... but if you have a lot of power, larger wheels often create a cheap, quick fix for better traction and a higher top speed too smileys/smiley17.gif

[SARGE]

because of the mad burn out with 15' pug has Peugeot Sport's blocke...

[SARGE]

but the guy do not want to tell his specs cause is afraid the Greeks... you know that if you have a fast car you do not tell your secrets in order to protect the patentes and your right choices... here in Greece the world is too small and everybody search in the Internet to learn things... if you want to ask him you can visit the webpage that we are writing www.dragster.gr but i think that you will not understand because is written in Greek only i think...
sorry...be sure that i do not liy to you... there is another Rallye that is 320-350bhp and have the title of the kING in the underground places...that we run...he is the King for now...because when this pug will be ready will kick him hard!

[dano_2k3]

What is the greek word for bo*****ks ?????!!! smileys/smiley8.gif

[SARGE]

bo*******ks = malakas?

[starkie]

haha lol.. well im also abit curiouc about this.. if ne1 knos greek.. see if ya can find the specs ???

[saxoladni]

thisis the closest thing i got on the website a red pug 106 for sale


Peugeot Rallye 170 PS in the crank. Kent PT52, spo'r suspension, fighting catalyst Sebring, enjshime'no disk - plato', elafrome'no vola'n, electric windows, central locking, immobilizer, alarm. The car is in really most excellent situation. Only serious proposals. Price of sale 10000 Euros metritoj's. Telephone of communication 6947-902960. -

[Enbwo]

10,000 euro's for 450 bhp? isn't that like £7,000? Maybe with 350bhp NOS injection i could believe it. If it really does have 450bhp the engine has to be in the back and surely a transplanted engine?

[SARGE]

are you crazy?(again!!)
10.000 is the price gor a rallye kent 52...which means 175-180hp maximum ... i am speaking for a turbo Rallye...
all the parts of the engine have been changed...i ll try to ask him once again... smileys/smiley2.gif

[SARGE]

have you ever see a saxo with PT52,5?

[saxoladni]

whats p52.5?

[Smithy]

i am speaking for a turbo Rallye...
all the parts of the engine have been changed...

What to? A Skyline or Cosworth engine?! smileys/smiley4.gif

[saxoladni]

lol at smithy

[SARGE]

Smithy you can laugh because you are 2 far away...
better go burnish your 20' alloy... smileys/smiley2.gif

[vtsturbo]

pt52`s = cams

SARGE - have you guys with the big power saxos/106s never thought of doing a road trip to england to prove the might of your beasts? could be a laugh plus a chance to show us brits the real deal.

although people are sceptical i don`t think you should be getting shirty/cocky/arogant and confrontational as you have no way of backing up your claims so why should poeple believe you. although i do half believe some of what you are claiming is true it is a little but ott as we have never seen those kind of power outputs over here. i am not having a gosmileys/happy.gif

[SARGE]

i abominate any style of irony...sorry...
i understand exactly what you are saying... it was my fault that i mentioned things about this car... the guy still do not want to give informations...
about the trip now...i think that if you organise such an event and give us informations you could see a lot of beasts...
and something in all the tuning magazinew that we have in Greece , we can read a lot of topics that have to do with cars in England... all of them are saying the same story that we have faster saxorallye in Europe...i do not know if its true...may be yew may be not

[jamesg88]

so you taken these 'beasts' to the strip yet ????

[SARGE]

i wish i could understand your question in order to answer you smileys/smiley5.gif smileys/smiley9.gif

[Smithy]

Smithy you can laugh because you are 2 far away...
better go burnish your 20' alloy... smileys/smiley2.gif

No...... i've got 15" wheels on my vts.
I wasn't being funny, it's just as everybody else has said previously, people in this country have never heard of saxo's putting out the power figures that you're talking about. That's why people are having such a hard time believing you!

[citrovts]

i want to believe it if there was proof in some sort of graph. or powerfigure.

if not then nobody will believe it sorry

i know that GMC has made a AX with 300 bhp so it can be done but will cost more than 10000 i think

[saxoladni]

im beginin to think this guy is from over here and is takin the mick out of us for a laugh no? im not bein bitchy im jsut sayin lol

[vtsturbo]

so you taken these 'beasts' to the strip yet ????

by this he means a quarter mile strip/drag strip smileys/smiley2.gif

SARGE if you and your mates would be serious about coming to england for some drag action there are very regular events at three different locations. although i think a date in the new year would be a better time to pencil into the diaries as british weather doesn`t exactly favour racing at this time of year smileys/smiley13.gif there would be plenty of tuned saxos/106s eager to go head-to-head.
i remember a while back aswell that my local car club were planning on attending a "king of europe" drag strip near paris in france for a once a year meat up of europes` finest. have you ever heard of such an event?

[SARGE]

hi again...
it is a fact that the Greeks took the firts place in Malta's Dragster on July... you can search if you want for Mr.papafilipou...0-400m , 7.4sec with 182mph...that for the tuning technology in Greece smileys/smiley2.gif

[SARGE]

...the 300 hp as a number isnt something special for Saxorallye here...anyway i do not want to brake your balls with things in Greece...i've entered here to learn things... so can you tell me if you want which is the best alloy fits in a red lucifer saxo in 15'??

[burtay]

i've done a search for Mr.papafilipou, no results expect for "Regional Demonstration Programs. Mr Filipos PAPAFILIPOU"

[SARGE]

try here: www.maltadragracing.com
smileys/smiley2.gif

[SARGE]

www.maltadragracing.com
click NEWS


Every spectator who came to Hal-Far Raceway for this Drag meet, had the ability to see a couple of very good Greek Drag Racers, competing with our local ones. Mr. Fillippos Papafilippou and Mr. Eythimios Nefrem, decided to come to Malta try out and race on our track for the first time and for fact it wont be the last, since they were very happy with everything.
These two drivers left Malta with a good impression with us Maltese, since they ended up winning and taking Trophies with them to Greece for 1st and 2nd Places in CA6 and Open 4 Classes respectively. One has to mention the Best Elapsed Times of these two Racers, which they achieved here in Malta, during this event. Mr. Fillippos Papafilippou who drove a Slick Pontiac Firebird Door Slammer 509ci, did an Incredible Elapsed Time of 7.4 seconds, with a Terminal Speed of over 180 Mph. He himself, wasn't expecting this kind of Elapsed Time he did over here, since his Best Ever Elapsed Time for this car was an 8.4 seconds. This proves that here in Malta, we got one of the best Tracks in Europe. His Pontiac was performing perfectly to the utmost. One has to mention that he bettered his Launching only, by almost .5 of a second, when he registered a 1.0 second over here to the 1.6 seconds over in Greece. This kind of the Sixty foot Fillippos registered is done by Pro-Stocker cars. He never expected to improve this much over here but Oh Boy, did he ever. He left everyone amazed over here with all his runs. He started with a 7.8 seconds run and was improving by every run he made during this Event. Today, One can say, that this Pontiac Firebird is the fastest Door Slammer car in Malta and now he can say and he's proud to say too, that he holds our National Records for the CA6 and Open4 Classes respectively. One can say all the same things about the other Greek competitor too, Eythimios Nefrem, who was driving a Ford Sierra 454ci. He ended up a runner up to Fillippos Papafilippou and achieved a Personal Best Elapsed Time of 8.6 seconds, which is a second better, than his Personal Best ever time achieved in Greece.

[burtay]

ok but what about the 5th gear burnout?! smileys/happy.gif

[Smithy]

Ok. But where does it mention the Saxo? All i can see in that was a Pontiac Firebird.
We have some serious car tuners in this country as well, with tuners modifying all makes and models of car. Most powerfull are usually the jap cars - supras, skylines, evos etc. Several of these are 800-1000bhp and do the quater mile sprint in under 10secs. Terminal speeds are usually 170mph plus with several topping the 200mph barrier.

[SARGE]

Smithy: Ok. But where does it mention the Saxo? All i can see in that was a Pontiac Firebird

i have already mentioned the reason...about tuning Greece smileys/smiley17.gif

smileys/banghead.gif about the pug?i do not have any details yet...