1/4 mile times

[jamesvts1986]

hi was down at crail yesterday, running approx. 15.4 which i thought wasnt too bad, could have got alot better as my reaction time was shocking! over .5 of a second! whats the average 1/4 for a standard vts and feel free to brag about your own times ;)

im not too sure what is done to my car, the dyno print out says 145.6bhp after dastek and 142.3 before dastek, what do you guys recon would be done to it, i would recon cams but im not sure, standard manifold, still has cat and a crappy powerflow twin exit exhaust that about deafens you at 3000rpm

[bullit]

reaction times wont matter. its when you leave the time is taken
different places also offer different times. standard vts could run anything around you time and slower. if y9u have cams youll have to take a peak

[jamesvts1986]

was 3 other vts's there yesterday, all runnin around 16 flat, surely your reaction time would matter, if i reacted half a second earlier i would be half a second faster? how could i check 2 see if it has cams? or what would i look for?

[bullit]

at the pod the time starts when you move, not sure about crail.
take of rocker to see ends of cams, may see a number or codes

[Ryan]

47.88. and with barriers 50.12

[jamesvts1986]

47.88. and with barriers 50.12

what does that mean?

[Ryan]

what does that mean?



thats the times i run 1/4mile in lol

[jamesvts1986]

HAHA, ok, what about when u drive?

[samcook]

i ran a 15.6 earlier this year, hope to run quicker as my starts where shocking got some slicks aswell now so hopefully that will help

[jaybiss]

HAHA, ok, what about when u drive?

a pair of nikes...

;)

[Ryan]

HAHA, ok, what about when u drive?

i dont do 1/4.. in my car, i enjoy going round corners

[nickdem]

Fuck me thats fast.

[bullit]

i ran 15.2 with no grip on tyres and crap conditions

[James]

Ran a 15.7 in my vtr the other month.. thats with basic mods.. manifold/catback/induction. I personally wouldent be happy running 15.4's in a VTS if like you say it has 145bhp.

[bullit]

where was that cloud? depends on where it was. times do differ

[James]

York man,

When me car was standardish i ran at york/pod. My times at the pod were worse when everyone else was beating there times lol, might have something to do with the viper i was racing scaring the shit out of me on the line lol

[bullit]

what where they? :P

also i find racing skylines etc better to race cause you try harder

[James]

16.6 at york and 16.8 at pod, to run a 15.7 from that i was very happy :)

Dude i don't know how you try harder lol.. i was sat on the line and my car was just rattling like a pack of skittles because of the vipers vibrations. I then saw green in the corner of my eye and went for it.. realised the lights were still actually red :oops: Nice round of applause i got reversing back down the strip lol

[bullit]

lmao, quality

ive gone against a cossie with only about a quarter of second between us after 9 seconds of racing. i love staying with the big cars to start with

sierra cossie with no traction lol

[Saxo_Speed]

Crail is different from the pod tho!

The time you run at Crail includes your reaction time!
eg. a 15.4 with a reaction time of 0.5
is realy a 14.9 when you take the reaction time off!

where as the Pod doesnt include your reaction time, it only starts the clock when you start to move!

I recon thats a pretty good time mate! :y:

[hesslevtr]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/hesslevtr/pauluptodate.jpg

[jamesvts1986]

thanks guys, yeah the pod is better like that as u say, crail includes your reaction time which is a pain in the as bcos some people think it isnt that great but when you take reaction time into consideration it is quite good, raced another vts and a 106 gti that day and they didnt even come close, personally i dont think the exhaust would help any, i have always been under the impression twin exits arent great for flow due to bends etc, that is why i am removing it for a magnex, i have a decat ready to go on and i was told that a 4-branch works well with cams (if it has cams, i will have to check that out) if i could get my reaction time down i recon i could do it in 15, i wasnt atall driving at my best on sunday, i was like a zombie most of the day

[Toby-VTR]

sounds like a fairly good time then! work on that reaction time and youl be set!

sorry to hijack thread but what sort of time would a standard VTR mk2 100bhp run?

[jamesvts1986]

not sure on that, never had much dealings with vtrs, had 2 saxos and both have been vts's, i wud guess 16.5-17 but i wudnt b sure, can anyone recommend a good stainless for it, put a full magnex, decat and gmc manifold on my last one, i quite liked that but was wondering if there was any better than magnex?

[James]

sounds like a fairly good time then! work on that reaction time and youl be set!

sorry to hijack thread but what sort of time would a standard VTR mk2 100bhp run?

Average is 16.6 +

[James]

not sure on that, never had much dealings with vtrs, had 2 saxos and both have been vts's, i wud guess 16.5-17 but i wudnt b sure, can anyone recommend a good stainless for it, put a full magnex, decat and gmc manifold on my last one, i quite liked that but was wondering if there was any better than magnex?

Not unless your willing to spend lots of notes, best to stick with magnex or a piper mate.

[Toby-VTR]

Average is 16.6 +

cheers was just wondering wether it was worth a go or just an embarrassment :panic: lol

[James]

cheers was just wondering wether it was worth a go or just an embarrassment :panic: lol

Well i ran mine with an open filter and a magnex. Best i hit was a 16.6, that was stripped out and running good tyres as well. If you can get in the 16.6 - 16.9 mark i'd say you have done well. With a manifold/BMC i now hit a 15.7.

Edit: Lot's to consider though lol, i run lightweight superleggies and a carbon bonnet as well now so i've cut down on the weight a bit :P

[craig180]

15.2 on standard cams and budget shitty tyres with no grip - at York raceway

[Cupra-Craig]

i ran a 14's with no grip what so ever still spinning half way up!

Crossing the line at 105ish mph tho!!!

Need better tyres an it was my first time.

Plus i needed to strip it!

[craig180]

Would have loved to see your car run 13s at York Craig. EAsily achievable if you had the right tyres etc!

[P47KER]

Mines ran a 14.01 at the pod but that was on 17's and with most of interior still in, so should be good for a high 13 now its back on vtr wheels and completely stripped.

[James]

Spec you running mate?

[Cupra-Craig]

Would have loved to see your car run 13s at York Craig. EAsily achievable if you had the right tyres etc!

Right tyres an like you said it needs stripping too! But never mind! You saw how much wheel spin i was getting!

Maybe i need to learn how to drag!!

[P47KER]

Spec you running mate?

Its been charged mate, along with the all the necessary bits and bobs and should be running around the 220bhp mark.

[James]

Its been charged mate, along with the all the necessary bits and bobs and should be running around the 220bhp mark.

ooo very nice :)

[James]

Right tyres an like you said it needs stripping too! But never mind! You saw how much wheel spin i was getting!

Maybe i need to learn how to drag!!

If you ask me nicelly i'll show you how too one day :P everyone knows cloud gets everyone off the line :oops:

[allyVTS]

Thats not bad mate i ran 15.6 in my vts last year at crail. (i cant drive though) I thought it said on the sheet that reaction times were not included.

[Karl]

I have Michelin GTs
Straight through exhaust and BMC..
what sort of time do you think Ill be running in my VTS?

[allyVTS]

Depends on your driving a mate.
I had a full magnex, raceland indution kit, mild steel 4-2-1, shit tyres and the rear was stipped when i ran a 15.6
Now have the raceland with green filter, ported t/b, custom made s/s 4-1. Haven't driven it yet so dont know if there is a difference.

[nickhead]

i got 14.8 in my old vts, stripped with remus backbox and airfilter. completely standard otherwise.


now running the engine in my white one, same stripped, but ashley exhaust and NO airfilter.

[Karl]

thats a pretty quick time for a pretty standard car.

[allyVTS]

What did you launch at

[Lukejones01]

im off to the pod on sat is anyone else going and has anyone got any advice for a 1/4 mile noob?

[aly888]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f227/Coal-minor/quartermiletimes-1.jpg

second run was against a scooby...notice he won, but didnt have the higher top speed!!

before you all get moany, this wasnt in a saxo...and it definately wasnt me driving (as i dont have a licence until the 20th june):panic:

[Sax0badb0y]

:drink: Max power at crail :drink:


my cousin in a 1.4corsa! missed a gear lol :panic: :panic:
25.657 sec sec
0.539 sec
2.634 sec
33.9 mph mph
Left lane

D WILSON (fought it was a good time for my 1.1 :A:)
18.940 sec sec
0.399 sec
2.755 sec
71.9 mph mph
Right lane

[R66CE_O_vtr]

i ran a 15.1 @ santa pod

[R085_VTS]

in a vtr ?

[R66CE_O_vtr]

yeh its a v quick vtr

[S34MER]

yeh its a v quick vtr

cammed?? what other mods?

[vtr130]

Cnt believe i missed this thread, i ran a 14.0 at 99mph at santa pod, but with major wheel spin!! Car should be good for 13's at fastfest, now that i have done more strippage. I think the n/a saxo 106 record is 13.8 down pod, so i would love to beat that this year!

[S34MER]

what mods you got and what car you got??

and the record for a Saxo is 12.88 secs iirc ;)

[Ryan]

what mods you got and what car you got??

and the record for a Saxo is in the 12's iirc ;)

na or boost?
bic ran 13.8 in his 106 LOL
remeber a boosted 1/4 mile car will piss on NA normally!

but 1/4mile is for those who cant hack corners :P

[S34MER]

boost mate, of the Turbo variety :p

sure i also remember reading John from GMC running 13's all day long at max power day a few years back!

[vtr130]

The 12.88 was boosted on nos. I have the old tables of ssc if any wants to see them. Fastest N/A!!! is 13.8, lol

[Ryan]

boost mate, of the Turbo variety :p

sure i also remember reading John from GMC running 13's all day long at max power day a few years back!


i dont read max flower so wouldnt know.

didnt think john would have a turbo either, he tends to use supercharged engeins mostly.

[S34MER]

i dont read max flower so wouldnt know.

didnt think john would have a turbo either, he tends to use supercharged engeins mostly.

i don't read it either ;)

found the thread where i did read it from though

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showpost.php?p=231064&postcount=23

[AXracing]

12.8 Was done just down the road from me at straitliners event. I have seen that car running low 13s on road tyres on a damp day. Its frightening to watch and even more terrifying to be in. The cars been known to do rolling burnouts in 5th gear at 60mph in the past. Sort of shows how much torque it really has. That car has a turbo only, no gas. For the 12.8 it was running slicks that day. At the end of the run the Peugeot sport clutch literally exploded when he was slowing down and blew a massive hole in his gearbox. It was upgraded to a AP unit but it ripped the splines of that one as well. The car spend more time being fixed than working. But that’s what you get when you start pushing things that far. GMCs Saxo was super charged.

[S34MER]

12.8 Was done just down the road from me at straitliners event. I have seen that car running low 13s on road tyres on a damp day. Its frightening to watch and even more terrifying be in. The cars been known to do rolling burnouts in 5th gear at 60mph in the past. Sort of shows how much torque it really has. That car has a turbo only, no gas. For the 12.8 it was running slicks that day. At the end of the run the Peugeot sport literally exploded when he was slowing down and blew a massive hole in his gearbox. It was upgraded to a AP unit but it ripped the splines of that one as well. The car spend more time being fixed than working. But that’s what you get when you start pushing things that far. GMCs Saxo was super charged.

thanks for clearing that up mate! i was sure the 12.8 time wasn't nitrous influenced, but that confirms it! :y:

[Ryan]

i knew that johns saxo was charged and the new one is even madder.

was the tubby a saxo aswell? or an ax?

[AXracing]

Its a silver Saxo VTS turbo. Dents all over, it looks ruff. Best way really ;)

[Ryan]

Its a silver Saxo VTS turbo. Dents all over, it looks ruff. Best way really ;)

lol!! sounds like my other one then (appart from mines NA)

and tams clio (the multicoloured one)

[Cupra-Craig]

i got a 14 with shit loads of wheel spin an crossing line at 106mph!!!!!

[Toad]

Hey man, are those DTH throttle bodies the ones that QEP do? I'm looking into a TB set up at the moment. I've been in contact wth QEP, with regard to their KMS set up. Any advice going? Cheers...

[Ryan]

Hey man, are those DTH throttle bodies the ones that QEP do? I'm looking into a TB set up at the moment. I've been in contact wth QEP, with regard to their KMS set up. Any advice going? Cheers...

craig has the DTH kms bodies from them (irc his were first set??)

his whole engine has lots of qep goodies.

[Cupra-Craig]

Yes there the QEP dth bodies along with a few more QEP goodies!!!

Dont no about them been the first set ryan but who.

[stevcatristicas]

The engine power/torque depends of the air moistness, the air temperature, the air pressure, etc… So, you will have more or less power/torque, depending of the weather and that varies the time in an acceleration test.

[Toad]

Yes there the QEP dth bodies along with a few more QEP goodies!!!

Dont no about them been the first set ryan but who.

OK, so can I assume that QEP will know what I need so to speak? Such as the best fitting air horns, etc...

[Ryan]

OK, so can I assume that QEP will know what I need so to speak? Such as the best fitting air horns, etc...

matt will know everything regarding his products mate.

[Toad]

I was tinkering with the idea of modifying the bulkhead to allow bigger air horns and possibly a big cold air feed... But this all a bit over my head! :(

[Ryan]

I was tinkering with the idea of modifying the bulkhead to allow bigger air horns and possibly a big cold air feed... But this all a bit over my head! :(

DTH should hvae a nice inlet tract to the valve, obviously the longer trumpets would improve midrange.

[CampDavid]

Its a silver Saxo VTS turbo. Dents all over, it looks ruff. Best way really ;)

Simon Leeks car. I had a lap with him round Folembray when he was driving Crossie's blue Saxo VTS (god rest it's sole, that was a Fucking Great car)

I can only say that Simon has no mechanical sympathy what-so-ever and I'd never let him near a car I owned. I would however love to have another lap round a track with him as that was an experience.

Overtaking kit cars,
mid corner gear changes,
me accidentally hitting the "door open" button with my knee,
all four wheels curbed to fuck

all in about 12 miles.

Fucking Great

[Karl]

was he quick round a track?

[CampDavid]

was he quick round a track?

Just a bit. He was more aggressive than he was out and out quick, definately one of my favourite passenger experiences. He was driving Crossie's saxo (standard engine save filter/exhaust, Hi specs and 50mm lowered) and being held up by Bunney's green TB'd track car. Both of them were much, much quicker than all the exotic stuff there. A Ferrari 348 driver fucked off halfway through the day and the TVR boys were complaining a bit. All were piss slow though.

[Karl]

they were complaining about being raped by a Saxo!?

[CampDavid]

they were complaining about being raped by a Saxo!?

Yup. Though in fairness they were more upset about a C reg Fiesta XR2 with a 2.0 Mondeo lump, driven by an ex Fiesta cup racer. That was quicker than all of us.

The following year I took my saxo to the same event. I was faster than them in that too. Some people are just slow

http://images107.fotki.com/v524/free/1b519/1/169588/635837/carbon010-vi.jpg?1111109433

Picture of the offending Silver Sax. Not heard from Simon in agggggggeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssss, dunno what's happening with it now

[Karl]

That actually does look tatty as hell.
no wonder they were annoyed lol.

[Ryan]

doesnt look to tatty there, just doesnt look like style whore shite 'pretending' to be a track slag :P

[CampDavid]

No the car they were in was Crossie's Saxo

http://images9.fotki.com/v170/photos/4/42688/2009059/DSCF1318-vi.jpg?1168348803

That car had more mods put on and taken off than any track Saxo I can think of. It died last April at the ring when Ed was on another sub 9 minute BTG lap. Legend car

[Karl]

now that blue VTS looks sexy as hell.

[Ryan]

only thing i didnt like about eds car was that nasty bonnet.

was a shame it went/

slicks + wet...

[CampDavid]

now that blue VTS looks sexy as hell.

It did there. Seriously fucked about with. Ed bought it with the intention of turning it into a show car, hence colour coding, smoothed doors etc.

Then he went on a track day.

The car then went track worthy, Billi suspension GMC spings, followed by some 225 customs towards the end of it's life.

It was TB'd too at one stage, though the Total MotorSort company that did it (and shall remain nameless) fucked it right up and they ended up coming off.

The car was a bit rough when it went to Germany and needed some tidying, so many chips on it from trackdays. In Ed's hands it was fast as fuck though, getting under 9 minutes around the ring on cut slicks before speering into the wall at about 110mph in the wet.

Parts of the car still live on, namely the brakes in Ed's current track car, a 106 Rallye 16 valve which we took to the ring a couple of weeks back

[CampDavid]

only thing i didnt like about eds car was that nasty bonnet.

was a shame it went/

slicks + wet...

I hated it when I first saw it, but liked it in the end

[James]

Simon popped down to a yorkshire meet once when i had a big gay bodykit on my car, i dident realise it was turbo'd as i never heard the car running. Just thought it was a shed on wheels, how wrong i was lol. I spoke to him brieflly at york raceway later in the year. Really nice bloke

[Karl]

nice so he drives a Rallye now..
110 into a wall :S
jesus.
he get out ok!?!

[Ryan]

ah TMS no longer in business lol!

such a loss lol.

[CampDavid]

nice so he drives a Rallye now..
110 into a wall :S
jesus.
he get out ok!?!

Slight burns to wrists from the airbag, otherwise the only scares were a fear of the ring. He was shitting it last year when he went round in mine and slow as fuck on his first couple of laps when we got back there. He improved a lot though over the 3 or 4 laps I had with him and seems to be back to his old self again, though the car stayed in the car park when it was raining!

[CampDavid]

ah TMS no longer in business lol!

such a loss lol.

I have no idea why you'd think that's even vaguely relivant to this thread :panic: ;)

http://www.totalmotorsportsolutions.co.uk

seems a live and kicking to me

[Ryan]

I have no idea why you'd think that's even vaguely relivant to this thread :panic: ;)

http://www.totalmotorsportsolutions.co.uk

seems a live and kicking to me

not according to the rallye reg, a couple of guys who worked for them have backed it up saying that to much 'spending' on a little budget caused problems

[CampDavid]

not according to the rallye reg, a couple of guys who worked for them have backed it up saying that to much 'spending' on a little budget caused problems

Oh well. From what I saw I wasn't impressed with their work.

Bunney's "brand new" throttle boddies looked "second hand" to me

[Ryan]

Oh well. From what I saw I wasn't impressed with their work.

Bunney's "brand new" throttle boddies looked "second hand" to me

didnt they screw the mapping up on someones aswell?

[CampDavid]

That was Bunney's

Wayne mapped it at Jamsport. Jamie as Jamsport phoned TMS and billed them. Legend.

[Toad]

They isntalled my mani and cams for me... Uh oh!

[Ryan]

im sure bic 'pulled' his car from them early and got someone else to finish it.

[CampDavid]

They isntalled my mani and cams for me... Uh oh!

Oooooooooooops ;)

I'm sure they're fine, you'd notice if not

[Toad]

To be fair to them, they did it at a good price. Although, they were rather unhelpful when issues began...

[KamRacing]

it was reported in Motorsport news that they had gone into administration a few weeks ago.