Unsure of what vtr engine you have - please read

[Ryan]

Unsure of what vtr engine you have - then please read.

The saxo vtr was produced with 3 different engines.

these are as follows
1 - 1996-1998 Blacktop cover = 90bhp
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/blacktop-vi.jpg

2 - 1998-2001 Silvertop cover with catalytic convertor under the car, 1 plug ecu = 90bhp
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/vtr90bhpsilvertop-vi.jpg

3 - 2001-2004 Silvertop cover with catalytic convertor in manifold, 3 plug ecu, = 98bhp
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/IMG_1107-vi.jpg

as you can see the two silver tops can be seen differently from the location of the dipstick, the inlet system and the fact its a 3 plug ecu.

[mallboy]

great sticky mate, i bet people will still ask tho!!lol:y:

[bullit]

you are bored :P

good work though

[Steve]

i had wrote one the other day just not finished editing it, then see you beat me to it :homme:

[Steve]

mayswel add the 98bhp was feb 2001 onwards with tax at £125 a year, 90 bhp models are £175 a year :y:

[B+B]

I have a silver top Furio 2000reg 90hp? can anyone tell me where the engine number is stamped on the engine? not the vin plate number.
Thanks

[Ryan]

I have a silver top Furio 2000reg 90hp? can anyone tell me where the engine number is stamped on the engine? not the vin plate number.
Thanks

theres no such thing as a 90bhp furio.

[saunders]

Im afraid there only 75 Bhp mate:oops:

[B+B]

Im afraid there only 75 Bhp mate:oops:

This is the reason I want to check the engine number, its the same as the 2nd piccy in this thread, dipstick on right-single plug ecu-cat in downpipe etc, its just it used to belong to a citroen service managers son and has had a lot of work done on it, uprated shocks & steering and antiroll bars, so maybe the engines been swapped? just like to check.

[doubledavies]

This is the reason I want to check the engine number, its the same as the 2nd piccy in this thread, dipstick on right-single plug ecu-cat in downpipe etc, its just it used to belong to a citroen service managers son and has had a lot of work done on it, uprated shocks & steering and antiroll bars, so maybe the engines been swapped? just like to check.

the V5 document would have had to be changed!

the engines are the same just a different bore! the inlet mani is slightly different (on mine anyway) + some other small details

[Ryan]

This is the reason I want to check the engine number, its the same as the 2nd piccy in this thread, dipstick on right-single plug ecu-cat in downpipe etc, its just it used to belong to a citroen service managers son and has had a lot of work done on it, uprated shocks & steering and antiroll bars, so maybe the engines been swapped? just like to check.

no furios have a silver cam cover.

they look the same basically becasue they are, only the furio is a 1400 as opposed to a 1600

[B+B]

Yes I noticed the old air box (which I took off) and the throttle body is the same as the 3rd piccy.

[doubledavies]

so the TB is the same as the 3rd pic yet everything else is the same as the second pic?

post yours up

[B+B]

so the TB is the same as the 3rd pic yet everything else is the same as the second pic?

post yours up

This is the 1st pic when I got car in feb,
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/beltand/DSCF0002-3.jpg

[doubledavies]

nice tat!

my money is on a furio!

il post mine up if you want

btw that TB looks like it has a cover on it or something?

[Ryan]

still think furio.

TB is different toatally.

[B+B]

nice tat!

my money is on a furio!

il post mine up if you want

btw that TB looks like it has a cover on it or something?

Thats what I thought, I put the induction unit on btw. would like to see your furio:y the throttle body is as when I got car
btw that tat is on B-Bjnr:

[Omar]

And what changes should be made in the engine 90bhp that in it became 98 bhp. Appearance at them identical only a final collector different and airfilter.

What else technical changes in nfz from nfx?

[doubledavies]

had the "rust" top edition but soon sorted it:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/doubledavies/IMG_1146.jpg

TB:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/doubledavies/IMG_1147.jpg

also have a blocked inlet on the TB?

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/doubledavies/IMG_1145.jpg

[B+B]

All I'm trying to find is where is the id number stamped on the engine? then I could be sure of the type it is.

[B+B]

had the "rust" top edition but soon sorted it:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/doubledavies/IMG_1146.jpg

TB:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/doubledavies/IMG_1147.jpg

also have a blocked inlet on the TB?

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/doubledavies/IMG_1145.jpg

The accelerator linkage looks the same, but my throttle body cover is larger and flatter, if that makes sense, and I dont have that hole you are pointing too.

[b0t13]

B+B u have the same engine as me, its a furio engine ;)

[B+B]

Ill try and post a close up piccy in a min.

[B+B]

But please where is the engine number, someone must know?

[doubledavies]

its on a plate riveted to the block

[B+B]

its on a plate riveted to the block

Thanks DD, I'll post that closeup soon.



rep'd

[B+B]

Here's the close--up
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/beltand/DSCF0021.jpg

[355858]

can anyone tell me where i can get hold of a new rocker cover for a silver top 90hp vtr? as mines rusty and i think beyond repair?? any help appreciated

[doubledavies]

crazy!

looks like a bespoke fabrication or something but similar in layout to a phase 3 TB

can it be removed?

[doubledavies]

can anyone tell me where i can get hold of a new rocker cover for a silver top 90hp vtr? as mines rusty and i think beyond repair?? any help appreciated

spray it up or pay circa £30 at citroen!

I will be making a sticky soon!

[B+B]

crazy!

looks like a bespoke fabrication or something but similar in layout to a phase 3 TB

can it be removed?

I don't think it will come off easy, it cuold be off something else, vts or pug, the last owner had access to a full citroen workshop.
btw what is a phase3 TB?

[doubledavies]

phase 3 Throttle body!

could be of a pug quiksilver but im not sure on pugs

[B+B]

Thanks DD, and all others T'll leave you in peace now, thanks for the help,

[doubledavies]

dont quote me on any of it though! I havnt come across it but it not to say it isnt standard

[B+B]

I'll have a search around m8.

[Morgan_VTR]

woo 98bhp :afro: lol

[Morgan_VTR]

rep given! thanks

[Sparco_Tom]

good job buddy, cleared things up for me, need to do an engine swap from black top to silver top and the pictures alone answered a question i had in my mind

[Fordy_87]

mayswel add the 98bhp was feb 2001 onwards with tax at £125 a year, 90 bhp models are £175 a year :y:

Is this true???

[furiomike]

Is this true???
i think so. the older ones have greater emissions.

[Fordy_87]

that sucks! ive got a mk2 registered as a 2000, but has the 98bhp engine as i think its one of the first released, but i pay £175 tax! how can i sort this out so im not getting ripped off?

[Ryan]

2000 uses the 90bhp engine.

[furiomike]

is there any real reason why the older vtr's have less power, get a worse occonomy and produce more emissions?

anything that can be done to reverse any of these downfalls?

[Quick]

The single plug ECU is easier to map!
Blacktops respond better to NA tuning, however they lack a knock sensor so forced induction isn't as good!

[Fordy_87]

2000 uses the 90bhp engine.

i know but i dont have the 90bhp engine! i have the 3 plug ecu and the engine bay looks exactly the same as as it does in the pics for a 98bhp engine. do i have to get something changed on the sheets when i have my M.O.T or something?

[gozzy-vtr]

yea good sticky but i have niether of them engines lol!!

[steviet]

yea good sticky but i have niether of them engines lol!!

what you got like?

[medz_vtrturbo]

is there any reason why a black top rocker cover wouldnt fit on a grey top?

[steviet]

is there any reason why a black top rocker cover wouldnt fit on a grey top?

they would swap about no bother mate

[saxoaee]

with the two silver tops having different BHP's does this mean it is quiker or not becuase i had a lil play with a mk2 and there want no difference or was it his shitty driving?

[jrp12345]

i bet a lot of people still dont no wot one they got tho

[Ryan]

i bet a lot of people still dont no wot one they got tho

if they are completely retarded.

[bullit]

ryan can you stop using the word retarded, im getting really offended you retard

[Ryan]

ryan can you stop using the word retarded, im getting really offended you retard

suck my balls.:homme:

[DaveyBoy]

the one main differenc with the black top and silver top engines is that the black top is a cheaper engine to modify due to a flat cam.
meant to be cheaper to buy cams.

[highboy_coupe]

I posted in the wrong thread like a newbie should, but now I have found this thread I can repeat myself. I have a blown (in the bad way) 2000 NFZ engine with the coil pack on top of the injectors, screw in oil filter and no visible lambda sensor. Are brown rocker covers really just rusty silver tops?? It is definately not the black top version, but I am having trouble in the scrappy finding a replacement engine, they all seem to look about right, but then have a plastic oil filter with a paper element, or the wrong coil pack. Will my ECU run these engines? And will they fit in my car? Or does it have to match exactly? When I ring a breakers yard they seem to think any NFZ engine will fit. I just want to drop the engine in without too much fuss.
Thanks for your help.

[highboy_coupe]

I was looking at this, It looks like a silver top but with the wrong coil pack, whats going on??

http://i11.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/fe/70/c0fc_1.JPG

[gojka]

no idea there m8 lol

[jacko87]

VTR's registered after September 2000 are 98BHP (90BHP before September 2000)

[chrissteele]

good thread. thanks

[titchster]

is there any reason why a black top rocker cover wouldnt fit on a grey top?
IIRC, the blacktop wont fit a silvertop cause the breather pipe comes out at an angle, so it'd catch the coil pack, not tried it so it might actually fit. :)
I was looking at this, It looks like a silver top but with the wrong coil pack, whats going on??

http://i11.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/fe/70/c0fc_1.JPG
You mean yours has got a coil pack at the side of the engine? With HT leads going to the plugs? If so, its a blacktop. :y:

[Black_vtr]

Sticky please!

[Ryan]

its in the FAQ if you were to read :P

[MaRiO89]

with the two silver tops having different BHP's does this mean it is quiker or not becuase i had a lil play with a mk2 and there want no difference or was it his shitty driving?

his shitty driving..

98bhp models are a tad quicker..higher top end, quicker 0-60 aswell..

[iw_laurence]

so both silvertops use the same cam, but the blacktop is a different type?

[djrem]

Best PMing KamRacing or another of the racing pros here.

[CitroenSport]

gutted must ov just been off :( 90BHP

[LDeere683]

gutted must ov just been off :( 90BHP

same here man :(

[qrty]

no furios have a silver cam cover.

I had one on mine! Standard too! :p

[STARTER]

oh,,, so that explains why the 4 branch manifold i bought today which came off another m2 saxo vtr didnt fit my vtr it must of been different types of engine coz the oil filter is in the way other than that it would have lined up perfect.
great waste of a 1er not to mention what i paid the guy to do it, its been a long day, but at least im not baffeled anymore, cheers simo...

[titchster]

Just need to relocate the oil filter, then it fits fine.

[johnlambert]

ive a 1.4 vtr,so is it defo 90bhp or 98bhp.??

[cj_99]

ive a 1.4 vtr,so is it defo 90bhp or 98bhp.??

They didnt make a 1.4 vtr its called a furio or westcoast and they are 75bhp :y:

[johnlambert]

They didnt make a 1.4 vtr its called a furio or westcoast and they are 75bhp :y:
awh gay,im gutted!! :wacko::wall:

[PETE-VTR]

awh gay,im gutted!! :wacko::wall:

haha unlucky, electric superchargers normally make up the 15bhp tho:oops:

[Ryan]

They didnt make a 1.4 vtr its called a furio or westcoast and they are 75bhp :y:

There were 1.4 vtrs made, they were not available in the UK market, they were imports.

but no it wont be 90/98bhp

[Shellz]

90bhp model FTW! If only it was actually 90bhp, lol! :)

[cj_99]

There were 1.4 vtrs made, they were not available in the UK market, they were imports.

but no it wont be 90/98bhp

50% right :D

[ReadieeVTS]

whats the best engine to get for me westcoast (vtr engine) cheers Lee

[ben-stringer]

the 98bhp 2001 onwards

[ReadieeVTS]

what would be the best engine to get for my V reg mk1 westcoast? cheers Lee

[Ryan]

the 98bhp 2001 onwards

Not if he wants to use an S1 rallye inlet manifold or decat it without arsing about etc...

[skagg]

Hiya all, just been looking at the pics on p1 of this thread.I got a vtr 2001 98bhp (i assume) as it has the lambda sensor in the manifold.
Right my problem is though, is for some unknown reason my rad fan (which is housed in a double fan getup) is catching my bonnet when it kicks in.Its about 2-3 mil from bonnet when bonnet down,but when it kicks in then starts to catch against the bonnet.
Now after looking at the pic up front it has a complete diff fan setup to mine.
What is supposed to be on a vtr 2001, a double fan housing or single.
Its getting so i only travel lightly and hope that i don,t get caught in any jams for to long.

[97saxo]

i have the black top 90bhp vtr engine what plug ecu does that have ?

[Ryan]

single, if in doubt look at the ecu/plug.

[zola_cfc]

Unsure of what vtr engine you have - then please read.

The saxo vtr was produced with 3 different engines.

these are as follows
1 - 1996-1998 Blacktop cover = 90bhp
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/blacktop-vi.jpg

2 - 1998-2001 Silvertop cover with catalytic convertor under the car, 1 plug ecu = 90bhp
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/vtr90bhpsilvertop-vi.jpg

3 - 2001-2004 Silvertop cover with catalytic convertor in manifold, 3 plug ecu, = 98bhp
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/IMG_1107-vi.jpg

as you can see the two silver tops can be seen differently from the location of the dipstick, the inlet system and the fact its a 3 plug ecu.

at the moment i have a vtr black top and just brought a silvertop what will i have to do for engine swap???

[iw_laurence]

Single plug ecu or three plug ecu?

[scotthep]

Good thread but late 2000 models have the 98bhp engine like mine :y:

[ashley1]

thanks i have always wonder how you tell the engines apart.

[weezyfbaby123]

I have got a Y reg vtr but with the 01 onwards engine. When i bought the car the said that it was a 51 plate car on a y reg or something which i now understand i think anyway. Thanks.

[lcplsmudge]

Should of found this before would of saved loads of time/confusion

[samoVTR]

umm is there one of these anywhere for VTS engines ???

[Quick]

All S engines came at 120 bhp.
Later ones (01+) had a different ecu, with extra emission controls.

[samoVTR]

umm this is an extremly stupid question but which VTR's came with ABS
does the silver top 98bhp have abs say if its a 51 plate

[Quick]

ABS was an a factory option on the VTR, so some do and most don't!
Year doesn't make a difference!

[iw_laurence]

also passenger airbag was another option on vtrs

[samoVTR]

ok thanks guys how can i find out if i do or dont

[Ramigojag]

my car is a mk1 1999 so that would put it as the 90bhp model but my engine looks more like the 90 bhp one,

is that just the appearance, my dipstick is on the same side as the 90bhp model

[blackie_2k5]

stop spamming to get 100 posts or theyll be deleted and youll get no where!!

[sir-gomer]

Unsure of what vtr engine you have - then please read.

The saxo vtr was produced with 3 different engines.

these are as follows
1 - 1996-1998 Blacktop cover = 90bhp
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/blacktop-vi.jpg

2 - 1998-2001 Silvertop cover with catalytic convertor under the car, 1 plug ecu = 90bhp
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/vtr90bhpsilvertop-vi.jpg

3 - 2001-2004 Silvertop cover with catalytic convertor in manifold, 3 plug ecu, = 98bhp
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/IMG_1107-vi.jpg

as you can see the two silver tops can be seen differently from the location of the dipstick, the inlet system and the fact its a 3 plug ecu.

This is weird for me as it states 2001 is the year the engines changed? Yet my Saxo VTR 2000 (X) has the 98bhp engine with 3 plug ECU and correct throttle body & air filter... ??

[jayline]

great sticky here mate, helped me out finding what engine i need :)

[Metra]

Indeed as I have just been trying to find this out myself and thanks to the help I got in my other thread and this I now know.

The main this that helps is knowing the dipstick and ecu are always the give away

[Ryan1992]

It seems that my engine is a complete mix of the two silver tops :/

My engine has the dipstick in the position of the 98hp and also has the same inlet manifold

Although its only a 1 plug and has an under car Cat

is that 90hp or 98hp?

[rey]

It's a 90bhp

[Ryan1992]

It's a 90bhp

Actually forget what i said, its a 3 plug but still has an under the car Cat :/

[shannon6460]

My vtr is a confused vtr, its not an Irish import (checked with the dvla) and its a 1400 3plug piece of shit 'w' plate

Bit off topic will the 90bhp engine fit in and run with having to change the loom or ecu and the other bits that are needed as its awfully low oil pressure and i cant be bothered to repair it so im going to change it

[rey]

Actually forget what i said, its a 3 plug but still has an under the car Cat :/

It's a 98bhp which someone has put an old style cat on.

[Damo420]

Hi all sorry to be a pain but I brought a vtr yesterday its down as a 2001 on a x reg , its the canary yellow one apparently 500 was made is this true ? Also straight after getting home I've become pretty ill and can't really get up to have look at my lump to see what engineI got 90 or 98 does any one know off game what these vtr's had ? Sorry guys but I really am far to sick to get Dowd 3 flights of stairs =(

[Damo420]

Hand not game lol stupid phone

[blackie_2k5]

Where did you bring it?

[Damo420]

Not sure what ya mean pal but picked it up from Colchester way and now its here at home in norwich

[Quick]

Its called Zest Yellow, not canary....

[Damo420]

Yeah I know , my phones seen better days doesn't like the word zest at all , is what happens after you run it over with a quad bike lol

[PastyVTR]

Just wondering about the exhaust differences, will a centre pipe from a 1999 vtr fit a 2002 vtr ?

[Tamshoe]

What a nice and easy to understand sticky. Thanks.