throtle bodies

[jahowi]

i just thought id inform u ppl that i have just purchaced sum bodies 4 ma 2002 vtr they are r6 bodies on a custom manifold and a emerald ecu i got the whole lot 4 1900 wich i thought was cheap

[patrick2403]

cool show us some pics. what bhp will that give? might have been cheaper to get a vts engine.?

[jahowi]

i havent taken any piks atm m8 i will do this weekend also i wanted to be different u dnt c many vtr s on bodies lol

[jclaydon]

Not a bad price i dont think.

You fitting it all yourself?

Should be like shit off a shovel from pulling away. Keep us updated.

[Ryan]

depends on what emerald ecu.

£1900 imo is a bit steep

[Steovts]

Where did you get them for that price?

[bullit]

£1900 imo is a bit steep

agreed

[Japman]

agreed 1900 seems steep

[jahowi]

well i had a look on jenvy web site and ther kit was 2000 +vat and they did not do it 4 my car the 1900 was including vat n ive tried high flow heads av heard sum bad reports bout them but only time will tell

[Japman]

yea thats for jenvey,u got yam r6 boddies :S

[bullit]

jenveys arent that much about a grand

[Bicston]

indeed, steep price

[S34MER]

£1900 for a set of jenveys!? :omg:

bet your bums sore after that!? ;)

[bullit]

read first post again oli

[vtr130]

Would never pay that... U could of got dth boddies and kms for same price, lol

[jahowi]

Well Evry Were I Rang Didnt Do Them 4 A 2002 Model So This Is The Problem I Faced After Much Time Trying I Found The R 6 Bodies And As Far As I No The Bike Bodies Are Alot Betta Performance Wise But I Shall Have To C When I Get Them On Wont I

[patrick2403]

yippie kia mother fucker

[jahowi]

Just Been On Jenvey Web Site Just The Bodies On There Own Are 900 With Out Vat Added Then Uve Got To Buy The Manage Ment The Filter Wich I Have Also Got

With Mine Ive Got A Loom Which Will Just Plug Straght In Also The Piper Cross Air Filter Throttle Cable Silicone Hoses And Also The Manage Ment So All In All A Dont Think Its A Bad Deal At The End Of The Day You Get What U Pay 4 Dont Ya

[Ryan]

but BIKE bodies are ALOT cheaper to buy than a proper set of jenvey bodies or KMS dth bodies.

bike bodies are a cheap conversion! as i asked about the ecu - emerald do different ones, so price will vary, but say you paid £750 for an ecu £1150 on top for some bike bodies is comical tbh lol! a custom inlet can be yours for £300ish and the bodies you can buy for £100 second hand at times.

for example look at how cheap the shenpar bike carb conversion is.

[turbo_dave]

What most people forget is with Jenveys, you have to add the cost of a linkage set, injectors, TPS and fuel rail to the otherwise attractive body price...

Oh, and the txt spk is giving me a headache!

[Ryan]

What most people forget is with Jenveys, you have to add the cost of a linkage set, injectors, TPS and fuel rail to the otherwise attractive body price...

Oh, and the txt spk is giving me a headache!

depends on where you buy them from, a few supplyers will supply a kit with everything needed, which is why the KMS DTH conversion is so popular amongst 16v owners, i just find it funny that people think that bike bodies are so brilliant when a proper set of bodies wouldnt cost much more, the whole reason most fit bike bodies is because they are so cost effective.

[Sophia_Bush]

bike body inlet 150-300
bike bodies 150 for something like gsxr 1000s
silicone hose 50
ecu 600
mapping 250

roughly

[turbo_dave]

Depends if those are buying or selling prices.

I sell manifolds for £140, throttle bodies of the correct type frequently turn up for £50. The silcon to join them is £10. Megasquirts which seem to go hand in hand with this type of conversion is £300 ready built, or, as pointed out, ~£600 for an Emerald.

Agreed, though, £1900 is high for a bike body conversion unless you're getting every last nut, bolt, screw and gasket included, as well as plenty of tech advice...

[RedB]

So what are some of the best bodies to get for a 98Mk1 VTS?

[Sophia_Bush]

kms dth, jenvey sf, lumination, pugsport dth etc

[johnnyg_vts]

£1900 for a set of jenveys!? :omg:

bet your bums sore after that!? ;)

LOLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!:clapping:

[smearsvtr]

all the kit car lot use bike thottle bodies 2 keep cost down

[turbo_dave]

Not so much that, as there are plenty of other small outfits doing TBs, but they're damn good for the money involved.

If you've built your own car, knocking a manifold up is no sweat!!!

[Ev06]

What sort of a gain do these make on a mildly tuned lump? Also at which point does the standard inlet become to restrictive?

[bullit]

depends what you mean by mildly tuned ;)

[Ryan]

What sort of a gain do these make on a mildly tuned lump? Also at which point does the standard inlet become to restrictive?

standard inlet isnt restrictive, the point of running TBs is to prevent the robbing of air from each cylinder that can happen with a standard plenum. They also aloow you to run wilder cams due to this.

[jahowi]

i have got evry last nut bolt washer ect in the kit also the gusy will be on the other end of the phone when eva i want him wile and after i have fitted the kit baisicly i have got the kit so i dont need to buy any thing else u c so no pissing about its all there evry last bit even down to new inlet manifold bolts and exhaust 1s

[mardon]

Good luck with it mate. It's gonna sound AMAZING!

[KamRacing]

good luck. I've never seen any gains with a car on bike throttlebodies yet - even the shenpar one

[turbo_dave]

good luck. I've never seen any gains with a car on bike throttlebodies yet - even the shenpar one

You're obviously looking at the wrong cars then.

[Toad]

LoooL!

[KamRacing]

You're obviously looking at the wrong cars then.

Example then please :d
I've seen a few 106 rallyes, 205's and 306's all unable to make any significant gains, in fact the owner of the 106 rallye wanted his money back and his was a kit made up by a well known tuner, not some homebrew creation.

Too many times I see significant issues with the shape of the inlet manifold in an attempt to mate up bike bodies, and then also bodges with silicon hose which really cocks up the airflow...

[turbo_dave]

Example then please :d
I've seen a few 106 rallyes, 205's and 306's all unable to make any significant gains, in fact the owner of the 106 rallye wanted his money back and his was a kit made up by a well known tuner, not some homebrew creation.

Too many times I see significant issues with the shape of the inlet manifold in an attempt to mate up bike bodies, and then also bodges with silicon hose which really cocks up the airflow...

As you can tell from my website, I make money by selling parts and kits to fit bike bodies.

Most of my customers are kit car builders, and hence most of my engines are Pintos, Zetecs, XEs etc, and I have never had *anyone* not make more power over stock on a bike body setup.

The average gain for a stock 2 litre Zetec on a set of GSXR 600s on one of my manifolds is something in the region of 35bhp. Obviously different engines vary. Most I have seen is out of a Duratec 2.0 that made an extra 51bhp, but the Duratec is well known for massive power gains when junking the stock inlet.

Whilst I agree that some manifolds are poorly made with cock-eyed bent runners to save a few quid on three lengths of M3 studding and six nylocs, it's wrong to dismiss them all out of hand "just because you've never seen it"

Likewise for bits of silicone for runners. Nothing wrong with them IMO. Works OK for Suzuki, Honda, Ford et al, it's merely in the execution. The whole point is to have the bike bodies butted up against a runner the same diameter as themselves, and use the coupler for connection purposes only, not to "take up the slack"

[Ryan]

As you can tell from my website, I make money by selling parts and kits to fit bike bodies.

Most of my customers are kit car builders, and hence most of my engines are Pintos, Zetecs, XEs etc, and I have never had *anyone* not make more power over stock on a bike body setup.

The average gain for a stock 2 litre Zetec on a set of GSXR 600s on one of my manifolds is something in the region of 35bhp. Obviously different engines vary. Most I have seen is out of a Duratec 2.0 that made an extra 51bhp, but the Duratec is well known for massive power gains when junking the stock inlet.

Whilst I agree that some manifolds are poorly made with cock-eyed bent runners to save a few quid on three lengths of M3 studding and six nylocs, it's wrong to dismiss them all out of hand "just because you've never seen it"

Likewise for bits of silicone for runners. Nothing wrong with them IMO. Works OK for Suzuki, Honda, Ford et al, it's merely in the execution. The whole point is to have the bike bodies butted up against a runner the same diameter as themselves, and use the coupler for connection purposes only, not to "take up the slack"



out of the info here i dont see any TU applications, i do think people forget that this is a saxo forum and the TU engine will react differently than a zetec for instance.

[turbo_dave]

Indeed, which is why I currently have my brothers 1.4 in pieces to have a set of GSXR600s fitted.

I simply don't buy that a TU will not produce more power *just* because the bodies were once fitted to a bike.

After all, is a throttle body merely a tube with a plate in it? (ok, so it's a simplified anaology, but you get my point).

If I fit bike bodies and don't get any power I will eat my left knacker.

[Ryan]

Indeed, which is why I currently have my brothers 1.4 in pieces to have a set of GSXR600s fitted.

I simply don't buy that a TU will not produce more power *just* because the bodies were once fitted to a bike.

After all, is a throttle body merely a tube with a plate in it? (ok, so it's a simplified anaology, but you get my point).

If I fit bike bodies and don't get any power I will eat my left knacker.

TU engines dont really perform great from proper bodies anyway when you compair them in relation to a vauxhall engine for example. Which is why most dont go for them, and why alot feel the bike bodys are not good, especially when people use silicone hoses for them (which will add a lip) and so effect the airflow

[turbo_dave]

Well, I have the perfect research tool then. Stock 1400 (bar raceland manifold and 2" hand built system), then a VTR conversion. Will fit bodies to stock motors and see what happens for myself when I turn the wick up a bit ;)

[FinchysSaxo]

what would be required in your TB conversion on your brothers 1.4 turbo_dave? do you make custom inlet manifolds then ye?

[turbo_dave]

what would be required in your TB conversion on your brothers 1.4 turbo_dave? do you make custom inlet manifolds then ye?

The car will be running Megasquirt V3 and GSXR600 throttle bodies.

I make the manifolds for bike TB conversions in my spare time, yes :)

Basically, a new loom (didn't fancy picking the old one apart - new one is easy enough to make), MS, manifold, set of TBs and you're away. You do need to have a wideband lambda, or know someone who can map the car for you though. Neither of which is a problem for me.

[FinchysSaxo]

ok kl cuz im about to get to get some r6 bodies as my m8s just written off his r6 and its a month old from new. is that the best standalone u recommend for this or the best price wise?? do you have any pictures of your manifolds? i know someone you works for MotorWorx so will ask if he can map it. how much am i looking at for all this??

[turbo_dave]

Price wise, I'd pick an Emerad or DTA, as they're all I have experience in first hand (and can thus give an honest opinion of). Members of this forum also seem to have good results with KMS, although I have never used it.

MS is the choice for us because it's cheap and a tinkerers delight. It's not the choice if you can't solder and know nothing about EFI.

Money wise, I don't know how handy you are; Manifolds I sell for £140, bodies are usually £100. MS is £120, a wideband is £120 (the latter two being sourced from the states).

Throw in £100 for sundries, and that's pretty much what he's spent (even though I have a wideband already, and I sold him the MS kit).

You can see some pics here: - http://www.throttle-bodies.com/temp12

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

TU engines dont really perform great from proper bodies anyway when you compair them in relation to a vauxhall engine for example. Which is why most dont go for them, and why alot feel the bike bodys are not good, especially when people use silicone hoses for them (which will add a lip) and so effect the airflow

I thought the reason Vauxhalls make much better gains on bodies was because the standard inlets are so rubbish to start with?

[Ryan]

I thought the reason Vauxhalls make much better gains on bodies was because the standard inlets are so rubbish to start with?

yes this is the case, where as trhe saxo inlet is alot better - so less gains than the vauxhall with tbs.

[jahowi]

got sum pics of the bodies now ppl i shall be fitting them in a couple of weeks

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f270/jahowi/saxobodies008.jpg
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http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f270/jahowi/saxobodies001.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f270/jahowi/saxobodies002.jpg

[turbo_dave]

yes this is the case, where as trhe saxo inlet is alot better - so less gains than the vauxhall with tbs.

This isn't the case. It's actually pretty good. The Zetec plastic manifolds, however, are pants.

Have a read of this: - http://www.max-boost.co.uk/max-boost/cylhead/intakemanifold.htm

[Ryan]

This isn't the case. It's actually pretty good. The Zetec plastic manifolds, however, are pants.

Have a read of this: - http://www.max-boost.co.uk/max-boost/cylhead/intakemanifold.htm

they are commonly known as not being effective enough stock though, its why diablas inlet manifolds make good bhp increases for a very simple design.

[turbo_dave]

This may be the case, but very few people are changing them, and power outputs in the 400s are common (especially since one set of chips and an IC will get you 306bhp) and the Dbilas stuff is both rare and expensive. For a very good reason...

[Ryan]

This may be the case, but very few people are changing them, and power outputs in the 400s are common (especially since one set of chips and an IC will get you 306bhp) and the Dbilas stuff is both rare and expensive. For a very good reason...

£750 for an inlet manifold irc. but produce very good figures respecatbly.

The TU engine just doesnt produce as good a performance on TBS in relation to %bhp increase compaired to other engines.