VAG 1.8T conversion thread [Archive] - Saxperience

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VtsTom

14th June 2009, 23:30

Seems to be a few people asking about different engine conversions but this is the only one i would have ago at my self rather than spending loads of a TU lump. They have MASSIVE potential and seem to be very strong. Also a 6 speed box available, not to mention a 4x4 drive train if your handy with a angle grinder and welder

Im sure it was the tweequed lad that mock fitted one in a ax and took a pic. Has anyone got it?

Anyone mock fitted one into a saxo/106 bay?

Pics and any info you care to share please

maddison_vts

15th June 2009, 01:06

slammed106

15th June 2009, 02:29

rushy_23

15th June 2009, 06:07

anything is possible, and to be fair, the 20vT is a fantastic and very capable engine.

a friend of mine is currently putting a 20vt in his renault 5, the engine is in, currently just sorting out transmission.

I can see if i can get pics of that if it is of any use to you?

Think there is already an R5 rocking the 1.8T 20V unit. So can be done. Is the R5 bay much bigger than a saxo?

Id quite like to see this done.

Are they heavy units in comparison to the TU lump?

j8nno

15th June 2009, 06:27

yes there is a lad on rtoc called scoff who has a 20vt fitted in his 5 turbo, its very fast!

AXracing

15th June 2009, 07:28

Difficult fit that one. The gearbox for it is massive and it will take extensive body reworking. If you with to go 4x4 I would recommend having a look at some of the early Subaru, Toyota, Mitsubishi and Nissan setups. If you are after FWD and easy fit for then something like the XU, EW or K series could work well. If you are going to fit a WV engine why not just get the V6 and stick it in the back?

swampy

15th June 2009, 09:40

Im just getting the leon with that engine fitted!
Very easy to tune.
Zorst, filter and map will easily see 220bhp!

VtsTom

15th June 2009, 12:07

you`ll be meaning this??

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/VTRturbo16/18112007092.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/VTRturbo16/18112007088.jpg

not sure how much room you`d have between the steering rack and turbo/manifold but ANYTHING can be made to fit with enough work... the diff also sits quite low compared to the MA box from what i gather too...

Thats the one.

Could allways get a custom bell housing and mate it to a BE box instead of using the vag ones? Would have liked to kept the 6 speeder though

bluespanner

15th June 2009, 17:36

Theres a clio with a 450bhp 20Vt in it. Stripped out and painted matt black. Aparrently its a fair tool.

Ryan

15th June 2009, 17:38

Theres a clio with a 450bhp 20Vt in it. Stripped out and painted matt black. Aparrently its a fair tool.

used to be an orange 1.2 lol!

AlexGreen

15th June 2009, 18:54

Theres a clio with a 450bhp 20Vt in it. Stripped out and painted matt black. Aparrently its a fair tool.

used to be an orange 1.2 lol!

Was an orange 1.2, had a 2.0 clio engine put in with nitrous then a 1.8 turbo lump in. 400+bhp and a ph2 front end put on. :clapping:

minty83

16th June 2009, 16:45

i own a renault 5 with a 20vt conversion and i also own the matt blck clio 486bhp ;) a friend of mine just told me you lot were talking about my cars lol

minty83

16th June 2009, 16:47

a friend of mine is currently putting a 20vt in his renault 5, the engine is in, currently just sorting out transmission.

I can see if i can get pics of that if it is of any use to you?
id be interested in seeing this as thought mine was the only 1...........:wall:

maddison_vts

16th June 2009, 17:04

i'll get a photo then, i'll be round his garage tomorrow morning .

when he pulls his finger out it may see a road! :afro:

maddison_vts

16th June 2009, 17:06

Think there is already an R5 rocking the 1.8T 20V unit. So can be done. Is the R5 bay much bigger than a saxo?

Id quite like to see this done.

Are they heavy units in comparison to the TU lump?

i've never sat my saxo next to his 5 so don't really know about engine bay space, i'll ask him about weight.

as i said a moment ago, i'll be round his place tomorrow so i'll take a photo.:y:

Ryan

16th June 2009, 17:25

i own a renault 5 with a 20vt conversion and i also own the matt blck clio 486bhp ;) a friend of mine just told me you lot were talking about my cars lol

I remeber the thread on CS of when you bought it when it was in a bit of a sorry state from not being used for a while. Great piece of automotive engineering when it was first done, and looks much nicer with the ph2 front end than the old ph1 lol!

chriswoodward

16th June 2009, 18:12

i've never sat my saxo next to his 5 so don't really know about engine bay space, i'll ask him about weight.

as i said a moment ago, i'll be round his place tomorrow so i'll take a photo.:y:

i have a 1988 renault 5 and a saxo vts and the saxo engine bay is a bit smaller and the renault 5 one seems more square:y:

minty83

19th June 2009, 00:19

wheres these pics:P

JoshB

19th June 2009, 06:07

I'm suprised no ones thought about the 207 Gti engine in the saxo, thats a small light engine with good potential!

swampy

20th June 2009, 07:34

Isnt the 207 a multiplex loom though?
So a complete pita to wire up?

Stefan85

20th June 2009, 11:22

Isnt the 207 a multiplex loom though?
So a complete pita to wire up?

Yes it is, it's based on Can Bus. It will take a lot of time to have it work.

minty83

24th June 2009, 23:22

without sounding to pushy... wheres the renault 5 vag pictures? really interested.:panic:
minty

MATTTBLACK

7th July 2009, 15:52

Was an orange 1.2, had a 2.0 clio engine put in with nitrous then a 1.8 turbo lump in. 400+bhp and a ph2 front end put on. :clapping:

Hey up - i built the clio in question. Heres a few pics ...........

2.0 F4R 736 ( 172 LUMP ) running 198hp + 75 shot of gas ( 13.3 @ 107 )

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/cliosle.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/slee4.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/172slee.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/IMG_1242.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/IMG_0497.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/power.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/REBUILDPICS001.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/rebuild010.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/rebuild026.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/cliorebuild7002.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/DSCF5131.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/rebuildpics5006.jpg

Heres my pals car thats just finished its rebuild

575bhp 1.8T ( 2.1 ) + 150 BHP GAS - ran 10.2 last year with 525 bhp. Not yet been ran hard but aiming for 9's this year

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/GTIinternational2009056.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/j3ned/GTIinternational2009005.jpg

MATTTBLACK

7th July 2009, 16:04

I also have for sale a built up AGU engine ( big valve head ) which is good for 500 bhp. Its a bare motor thats been fitted with NEW Intergrated engineering rods and JE 82.5mm oversized pistons. The block has been drilled to 1900cc. It comes with a specially built paddle clutch + solid flywheel - i will through a standard 02j 5 speed box in with the sale

£1500

KamRacing

7th July 2009, 16:11

brilliant! its what the saxo/106 scene needs....
How does the clio handle, cope with the power/traction. I understand it was developed as a drag car so not necessarily a concern.

Kev

Ryan

7th July 2009, 16:13

Mattblack, who owns the black clio now.

As from the thread on CS i thought it was now owned by someone who bought it when it hadnt been used for a while and needed some TLC. They then aimed to get it 100% road legal for shits and giigles :D

MATTTBLACK

7th July 2009, 16:45

I sold it some guy in Dec 2006 and since then its gone through 3 new owners. I believe some butcher ;) wants to chop it up now and use the lump in an R5 - shame as its got a bit of a cult following

It handled OK believe it or not - a lot of people were under the impression it handled like a bag o nails but it was kitted out FK coilovers / 172 cup front axle, wishbones, hubs, brakes etc. It was the torque steer that was bad, but controllable if you knew the car.

Few vids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss8Mupq5vbc ( turbo corsa )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6DG-LLRcEc ( some vw )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o9CttwKE6Y ( GTi International )

Went past the EVO before the finishing line - the guy followed me back to the start wondering what had hit him

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6790515754062032468

furio09

8th July 2009, 21:06

that clio is lightning quick!

dannygti

8th July 2009, 21:26

ive been looking deep into other engines to use in 106/saxo and my next project will be along similar lines.

it NEEDS to be done, as "chuck a 16v in it" does not do it for me anymore...
i would love to see people going mad with honda ;) engines, vag engines, bmw engines etc etc etc... so come on people, do someting different like all the other makes on the performance car scene........
buy practical performance car instead of fast car......have a go and it will be worth it.

AlexR

8th July 2009, 22:20

I now have a welder. This opens new avenues of bodgery!

Ryan

8th July 2009, 22:22

I now have a welder. This opens new avenues of bodgery!

as long as you dont go fitting any JC to the cars :D

VtsTom

8th July 2009, 22:23

Lol alex. My dads just got a plasma cutter. I can see me cutting the shit out of things.

The only problem with the vag 1.8t lumps is price. Looking at 1500 min really. Only want a dummy block and box for a mock up...

pjm300

9th July 2009, 08:51

I now have a welder. This opens new avenues of bodgery!

i can see my lights flickering from here :D

alex, i have some ideas..... :D

minty83

13th October 2009, 03:22

tweeqd

13th October 2009, 22:06

i still have that 20v engine i mocked up in the ax, its still waiting to go in my mk1 cab lol
but i do know of a vtr shell going free and this thread has got me thinking ;)

dannygti

13th October 2009, 22:11

im sure there will be a 1.8 20v turbo 106 soon ;)

maddison_vts

15th October 2009, 11:52

matt.... butcher is a stronge word lol, the clios still locked up safe and untouched.... loves gords vag thats a right beast... still waiting to see this pictures of another r5 with a vag lump in??? is it a mith?:clapping:

haha, i remembered when i saw this thread had been bumped. i'll ask him for a few photos because i can't take any now because he's taken the engine back out, i think he's given up on it.

i'll get photos when the engine was in though.

gavbey

15th October 2009, 13:47

that clio is a sleeeper likes