Magnet says no, its a 1.4 :)

[KieranYeh]

Yesterday i had a saxp meet with a few sportifs and one vtr owner, I own a 1.4, I let the owner of the 1.6 8v give my car a go and he said its got to be a 1.6 due to how it went, i had a suspicion it could have been converted as prior to this car i have had a furio and it wouldnt stand a chance against this one.
It was either i had a vtr engine or it was mapped, i was told its been remapped but he didnt go into details so i didnt really beleive him.
Everything is pointing to the conversion simply because the speed of it and the fact i have 140mph dials in it that measure accurate.
For a start i could have never taken a furio past 105/110, in this i touched 120 and it could have kept going..


My question is:
How do i tell if ive had a vtr conversion?
What significant differences are there?
is there a different head size in mm?
an engine code somewhere?
certain wireing features?
Im not sure what to look for so anything a vtr has that a furio doesnt that i can see without taking the engine apart and getting a measuring jug out would be great!
:y:

[Quick]

Pic of engine?

[KieranYeh]

I dont atm no....

[Powellyboi]

vtr engine - http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ukcar.com/road_tests/citroen/Saxo-vtr/citroen-saxo-vtr-engine.jpg&imgrefurl=http://eastanglia.inetgiant.co.uk/Peterborough/AdDetails/saxo-vtr-original-air-filter-box-and-pipes-25-vtr/2649490&usg=__mSAETs8slttjlSlz5sKgzcDE3OM=&h=2128&w=2832&sz=878&hl=en&start=0&sig2=AazlhuWDmUTaCcZXUkeDrg&zoom=1&tbnid=IuMGG-FYDGfIxM:&tbnh=132&tbnw=168&ei=wCwPTZioNYqyhAev4om4Dg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsaxo%2Bvtr%2Bengine%26um%3D1%26hl%3De n%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D834%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=209&oei=wCwPTZioNYqyhAev4om4Dg&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=84&ty=57

Vts - http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.performance-car-guide.co.uk/images/L-Saxo-VTS-Engine.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.performance-car-guide.co.uk/saxo-vts.html&usg=__sMeHFdHFgy2uu0JzBGAY6fWAB-k=&h=401&w=640&sz=45&hl=en&start=0&sig2=5dopJr-tYjLrJZ4l_2pvbQ&zoom=1&tbnid=Nyi3CvjXsOnJHM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=158&ei=3iwPTZ2bPISohAfuhNC4Dg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsaxo%2Bvts%2Bengine%26um%3D1%26hl%3De n%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D834%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=105&vpy=379&dur=531&hovh=178&hovw=284&tx=182&ty=107&oei=3iwPTZ2bPISohAfuhNC4Dg&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0

[KieranYeh]

Its not an S conversion you bellend xD

Furio - R conversion

[ashbuster]

have a look at this link mate
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87916
see if your engine is the same, thats how i found out , those are the different vtr engines and if you can take a photo post one up mate and guys here will let you know

[KieranYeh]

Doesnt look like any of those, the dipstic is the same as the single plug engine but its a 3 plug ecu.. ill do some research quick :)

[KieranYeh]

Ive taken some pictures of the engine, as you can see its got a 3 plug ecu and a dipstic that sits to the right of the manifold.
Furio engines have the dipstic come up the front between the 4 pipes..
so this would suggest its a late vtr engine, however the late ones are single plug..
now im confused D:

Heres the number on the engine

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee47/kieranskool/IMAG0244.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee47/kieranskool/IMAG0242.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee47/kieranskool/IMAG0241.jpg

[KieranYeh]

furio engine:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s271/FinchysSaxo/My%20Raceland%204-2-1%20Manifold/DSC01005.jpg

[rey]

Late VTR engines are 3 plugs, pre-2001 are single plugs..

[holdawayt]

As above, late engines are 3 plug. Earlier ones are single like mine.

Looks like you've either got a nippy furio or it's had a late vtr engine (98bhp standard).

[welshpug]

or his car is fooked?

[KieranYeh]

Its a furio engine, heres a late furio engine:

The earlier furio engines have a different location for the dipstic.

mines a late one so its got this engine :)

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv225/marrickmills/enjunn.jpg

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/blackfurio14/DSCF1042.jpg

[char69lie]

Its a furio engine, heres a late furio engine:

The earlier furio engines have a different location for the dipstic.

mines a late one so its got this engine :)


http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/blackfurio14/DSCF1042.jpg



Thats the same as mine..W reg vtr... 3 plug.

[KieranYeh]

or his car is fooked?

3 owners, 52 plate on 50k miles :y:

[KieranYeh]

Thats the same as mine..W reg vtr... 3 plug.

have you got a lambda sensor on the top of the mani and the dipstic on the right side of the mani?

[char69lie]

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/char69lie/SDC13937.jpg

Mine...

Can anyone tell me what is that hose going under the ECU cover? ive seen people replace it.. but dont know where it goes.. what it is ect?

[KieranYeh]

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/char69lie/SDC13937.jpg

Mine...

Can anyone tell me what is that hose going under the ECU cover? ive seen people replace it.. but dont know where it goes.. what it is ect?


no lambda sensor on the mani.. and are you sure its a 3 plug?

[char69lie]

Tbh.. im probably wrong.. someone did tell me.. i got told i have digi dials.. and the oppersite loom or something..

[ashbuster]

mines the same as those but single plug ecu
dipstick on the right and lamba in the manifold
cat in the exhaust and not in the manifold
i was told on here mines a early silver top vtr
not the first type vtr but the 2nd type out of the 3

[KieranYeh]

yeah your the pre 2001 engine, mine is mani cat so its a furio, just didnt look like one due to everything else

[SAXO8VYO]

i had this question a while back mate as my furio it goes far to well for a furio and kept up with my mates vtr's and a 1.6 xsi and they drove mine and said its got something done to it and when i had to buy new disc's i was like why has it got a 283mm front brakes so surely it must have something done to it and i then found out that it wasnt a powerflow backbox it was a powerflow de-cat back and it did have a cold air feed which i took off as it looked shite and then after digging threw a whole load of recipts and taking to the girl i bought it off i found a recipt for fitting of a ph3 cam and the other week i again found out when i went to a place to see if i can get my head gas flowed ported ect.. that it had already been to this place and had the gas flowed ported head fitted that that they did back in 2008 for it , so do some digging you will find some info bud

[ashbuster]

yeah your the pre 2001 engine, mine is mani cat so its a furio, just didnt look like one due to everything else

mk2 vtr has cat in the mani too

[DannyVTS]

All 8v's look the same to me :y:

[bengtt5]

coz they are
apart from the engine numbers and the cc

[bengtt5]

write down your engine number and phone citroen

[ashbuster]

should be a code on the engine somewhere
not the numbers but a code

[KieranYeh]

I'll take a look, im pretty sure its a 1.4, just well maintained and a few performance mods.. not sure on the remap but it kept up with a rallye like nobodies business :)

They all look the same, the only difference between a 1.4 and 1.6 is the 1.4 has smaller cylinders as they are wet lined (sleeved) cylinders thus less displacment :y:

[dougieph2]

mk2 vtr has cat in the mani too

no, the 90bhp engine has the cat under the car, the 98bhp engine has the cat in the mani and the 1.4 8v has the cat in the mani ;)

[chinkostu]

nobody thought to look at the inlet manifold?

[SAXO8VYO]

no, the 90bhp engine has the cat under the car, the 98bhp engine has the cat in the mani and the 1.4 8v has the cat in the mani ;)

No it doesnt the cars that are 2000 is the crossover year between the mk1 and mk2 so mk1 cat undercar and mk2 cat in mani as mine is a mk2 but as mine is the crossover year my cat is under the car hence me having a de-cat and not having a 421 mani as if it was a cat in the mani i would have a 421 to de cat it

[taylor93]

My furio is quite punchy too :D

[Furioman]

furios have alloy block vtr has iron block get your magnet out

[dougieph2]

No it doesnt the cars that are 2000 is the crossover year between the mk1 and mk2 so mk1 cat undercar and mk2 cat in mani as mine is a mk2 but as mine is the crossover year my cat is under the car hence me having a de-cat and not having a 421 mani as if it was a cat in the mani i would have a 421 to de cat it

you kind of contradicted yourself there..

the crossover was roughly between april - may of 2001.. i had a Y reg mk2, registered in the january of 2001, it had a 90bhp engine which comes with the cat under the car.. a friend of mine also had a mk2 which was registered in may 2001 and that had a 98bhp engine, which came with the cat in the manifold..

[saxo-parts]

furios have alloy block vtr has iron block get your magnet out

+1 can't believe no-one mentioned that previously

[jeffchiz]

you kind of contradicted yourself there..

the crossover was roughly between april - may of 2001.. i had a Y reg mk2, registered in the january of 2001, it had a 90bhp engine which comes with the cat under the car.. a friend of mine also had a mk2 which was registered in may 2001 and that had a 98bhp engine, which came with the cat in the manifold..

i think hes talking about his 1.4 not vtr engine
either way this thread is confusing lol as already stated get your magnet out and find out and let us know lol

[KieranYeh]

+1 can't believe no-one mentioned that previously

would have been helpful this morning. Gha..

[saxo-parts]

would have if i'd been here lol

[bengtt5]

nobody thought to look at the inlet manifold?

whats the difference

[RustySkull]

mines the same as those but single plug ecu
dipstick on the right and lamba in the manifold
cat in the exhaust and not in the manifold
i was told on here mines a early silver top vtr
not the first type vtr but the 2nd type out of the 3

Yeh yours is. Not sure what this one is lol.


To be honest, you can change Dip sticks, I changed mine when I broke it, so if may not be where it's meant to be anyway.

The Engines all look very similar Are their any signs of an Engine change? Such as damaged bolts, clean patches etc... You know what I mean lol :fcuk:

[RustySkull]

furios have alloy block vtr has iron block get your magnet out

And there's that...

[KieranYeh]

Magnet says weeeeeee -falls-

Its a furio engine :)

[KieranYeh]

would have if i'd been here lol

Thanks for the confirmation anywho mate :y:

[RustySkull]

I'll take a look, im pretty sure its a 1.4, just well maintained and a few performance mods.. not sure on the remap but it kept up with a rallye like nobodies business :)

They all look the same, the only difference between a 1.4 and 1.6 is the 1.4 has smaller cylinders as they are wet lined (sleeved) cylinders thus less displacment :y:

VTR Engine: Not Wet Liner.
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=511&pictureid=5223

[KieranYeh]

VTR Engine: Not Wet Liner.
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=511&pictureid=5223

Exactly my point, thanks for the confirmation

1.4 = wet liner

Or so im told :y:

[RustySkull]

Exactly my point, thanks for the confirmation

1.4 = wet liner

Or so im told :y:

Lol I think so yeh mate.

Liner:
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=511&pictureid=4881