vts into 106 1.1 mpi???

[lukeduke]

i have a 106 1.1 mpi and i have brought a saxo vts. im think of putting the vts engine into the 106. the 106 is a 2000 reg an the vts is a 1998. is this going to work or should i stop before i start doing. i will strip the vts to use all the parts on the 106 (engine, shocks, brakes, rear beam etc). the saxo is a one pin ecu and the 106 is a 3 pin. can someone help me?? :panic:

[lukeduke]

anyone??

[devilsadvocate]

Why not just drive the VTS and save all the effort and trouble?

[lukeduke]

the vts body has seen better days plus it doesnt have any mot or tax lol. i only payed 200 for the vts. i was going to drive it but i think it needs lots to put it through a mot. the 106 is really tidy and i want to make it into a sleeper.

[MoloneyVTR]

It is going to be one Mammoth task mate, Trust. The chasis wont even support the engine weight i dont think... The strain on the fittings and bolts etc. Unless you use EVERYTHING from the VTS on the 1.1 Except for The chasis housing :boxing:

[lukeduke]

i will use everything from the vts as a donor car. i,ve done conversion before but not on a french car lol. if i start i wont let it beat me and give up lol

[devilsadvocate]

If the VTS will struggle to pass an MOT then those parts can't be transferred so you will end up having to buy them again anyway.

You are going to need to use most of the parts from the VTS I believe due to differences in the engine and the power.

You wouldn't want 1.1 drum brakes stopping 120bhp of car...

[wicked-vtr]

Rear brakes do fuck all braking, they just steady the car. Iirc jpsaxo, willsy and raunchez all had drums on there itb'd 16v's.

I've never done it but I understand the conversion is fairly straight forward, willsy had a 16v in his 1.0 saxo seen a few 1.1's and diesela converted too.

You will need to weld the ecu side engine mount from the vts into the 1.1 inner wing iirc, run a fuel return, Mabie change the fuel pump and I would fit the vts struts, arbs and brakes as there beefed up over the 1.1

The main issue i see is that you will really need to fit the vts interior loom too, which iirc means saxo dash and clocks too, you'll also need to have the ecu unlocked. I think fitting the saxo lockset will get round the unlocking but don't quote me on it.

I'm aure someone more knowledgeable will come along soon, but it can be done, especially if you have a complete donor car in good enough condition

[AlexB]

Right heres what NEEDS changine to fit the engine in

cut the ecu side engine mount cradle off the vts and weld it in the 106

The motor will tben bolt in


However yours will be harder
The vts will have later tapered hubs so the struts will need swapping to suit the driveshafts
The looms wont match and will need splicing
The 1.1 wishbones are shite bin them the arb and fit the vts items
Vts front brakes are a good idea


Sounds simple but the loom wont be

[wicked-vtr]

Forgot about shafts Alex good shout, will the intermediate bearing bolt up to the 1.1? Might need to drill and tap for that

[AlexB]

Rear brakes do fuck all braking, they just steady the car. Iirc jpsaxo, willsy and raunchez all had drums on there itb'd 16v's.

I've never done it but I understand the conversion is fairly straight forward, willsy had a 16v in his 1.0 saxo seen a few 1.1's and diesela converted too.

You will need to weld the ecu side engine mount from the vts into the 1.1 inner wing iirc, run a fuel return, Mabie change the fuel pump and I would fit the vts struts, arbs and brakes as there beefed up over the 1.1

The main issue i see is that you will really need to fit the vts interior loom too, which iirc means saxo dash and clocks too, you'll also need to have the ecu unlocked. I think fitting the saxo lockset will get round the unlocking but don't quote me on it.

I'm aure someone more knowledgeable will come along soon, but it can be done, especially if you have a complete donor car in good enough condition

Only raunches still ran drums but your right rears do fuck all
swapping interior looms 106-saxo isnt as easy as that hed be best of splicing the mulyiplug imo

[AlexB]

Forgot about shafts Alex good shout, will the intermediate bearing bolt up to the 1.1? Might need to drill and tap for that

Bolts to the vts engine block so hell be fine

[wicked-vtr]

Learn something new every day, useful info for me too As im helping a useless mate do a vtr into 1.1 106. Cheers.

[lukeduke]

i think im going to go ahead with it as i like a challenge lol. i think the end result will be well worth it :)

[kennym1987]

its not as complicated as its been made out in this thread

[AlexB]

its not complicated no but the wiring can be a night mare

[kennym1987]

its not complicated no but the wiring can be a night mare

mine was plug and play ;)

[AlexB]

His wont be though
Hence he will either need a new loom ecu amd a lot of sensors
or to splice his loom

Theres about 5 different looms between the 106 and the saxo and even ones that look the sale sometimes dont line up on the connections

yours may have been simple i know guys whove had 4 or 5 looms including custom ones and still had issues

[Grant187]

iv got a quiksilver engine in a 1.1 desire and that was just a straight fit. but idno man

[kennym1987]

His wont be though
Hence he will either need a new loom ecu amd a lot of sensors
or to splice his loom

Theres about 5 different looms between the 106 and the saxo and even ones that look the sale sometimes dont line up on the connections

yours may have been simple i know guys whove had 4 or 5 looms including custom ones and still had issues

sorry i just read the first post again. he is going from 3 plug to single plug. and now i have thought about it i know what you mean. i had a single plug gti loom that was different from the single plug vts loom i am using now

[Tom5190]

Its no were near as bad as people make it out to sound like in here :S

To get the 16v engine in you dont have to mess about with mounts at all.

You can run your 1.1 gearbox, shafts and suspension, you will only need the 16v engine loom and ecu. I would recomend using the radiator though as thats abit stupid still running a baby one. you will need to wire the fan up seperatly too as the looms are different, but this is simple.

Splice the loom at the connector, if you havnt done it before then that will probly be the most awkward part but in reality its easy, your only matching wires up in a different order.


The above is essential's, if you have a vts then i would take the rear beam from it and the front brakes for good measure. If you want to start changing into the VT* shafts and gear box then as mentioned above you will either need new shafts of to swap the struts over but i still have my 1.1 struts.

Edit: you will need a new throttle cable and a return blank on the fuel line, also i changed my pressure regulators

[AlexB]

I snapped a shaft in half with a 1.1 engine
A 16v will at least twist it if you do standing starts

The wishbones ect is personal choice to upgrade
And the mounts does ideally need doing to reduce the engine shifting about loosing power to it moving
Get yours on rollers and watch the motor moving around
90% of the flex is in the ecu side mount

Yes you can fit things together but its really not ideal to do it that way
Plus if you have the braket in the donor car your a retard imo if you dont spend the extra half hour or so to fit it

[Tom5190]

I snapped a shaft in half with a 1.1 engine
A 16v will at least twist it if you do standing starts

The wishbones ect is personal choice to upgrade
And the mounts does ideally need doing to reduce the engine shifting about loosing power to it moving
Get yours on rollers and watch the motor moving around
90% of the flex is in the ecu side mount

Yes you can fit things together but its really not ideal to do it that way
Plus if you have the braket in the donor car your a retard imo if you dont spend the extra half hour or so to fit it

I did also snap a 1.1 shaft with a 1.1 engine, I ran them on my 16v for about 5 months, I had no problems but I have fitted a pair of vts ones now.

I had mine on the rollers and there wasn't a huge amount of flex, I didnt have to option to weld the other mount in.

However like said above if you have a vts there with usable parts then it is abit pointless throwing them all away when you could use them.

[jeffchiz]

It is going to be one Mammoth task mate, Trust. The chasis wont even support the engine weight i dont think... The strain on the fittings and bolts etc. Unless you use EVERYTHING from the VTS on the 1.1 Except for The chasis housing :boxing:

lmao, that is all

[Grant187]

My mate had a problem like this actualy a while back but I think his was somthing to do with putting a mk2 engine in a mk1

[AlexB]

I did also snap a 1.1 shaft with a 1.1 engine, I ran them on my 16v for about 5 months, I had no problems but I have fitted a pair of vts ones now.

I had mine on the rollers and there wasn't a huge amount of flex, I didnt have to option to weld the other mount in.

However like said above if you have a vts there with usable parts then it is abit pointless throwing them all away when you could use them.

if you potter about yea theyd work but who potters after fitting a 16v.....

And flex wise it will move more than a vt* with a 16v in on the 1..1 mount they dont have the lateral support and i think it could fail if it was left but i dont know of anyone whos left one long enough tbh it wouldnt be instant but they arent designed to tale the torque of a 16v twisting at it

If i was in his shoes the only part i wouldnt use is the rear beam and abs setup

The looms will be his biggest issue being different ages and one saxo and one 106

[Tom5190]

No one potters about with a 16v.

P.S if you do have trouble with loom drop me a pm i can do you one