vts into 106 1.1 mpi??? - Saxperience

lukeduke · 10th November 2011, 20:14

i have a 106 1.1 mpi and i have brought a saxo vts. im think of putting the vts engine into the 106. the 106 is a 2000 reg an the vts is a 1998. is this going to work or should i stop before i start doing. i will strip the vts to use all the parts on the 106 (engine, shocks, brakes, rear beam etc). the saxo is a one pin ecu and the 106 is a 3 pin. can someone help me??

lukeduke · 10th November 2011, 20:33

anyone??

devilsadvocate · 10th November 2011, 20:46

Why not just drive the VTS and save all the effort and trouble?

lukeduke · 10th November 2011, 20:52

the vts body has seen better days plus it doesnt have any mot or tax lol. i only payed 200 for the vts. i was going to drive it but i think it needs lots to put it through a mot. the 106 is really tidy and i want to make it into a sleeper.

MoloneyVTR · 10th November 2011, 21:13

It is going to be one Mammoth task mate, Trust. The chasis wont even support the engine weight i dont think... The strain on the fittings and bolts etc. Unless you use EVERYTHING from the VTS on the 1.1 Except for The chasis housing

lukeduke · 10th November 2011, 21:21

i will use everything from the vts as a donor car. i,ve done conversion before but not on a french car lol. if i start i wont let it beat me and give up lol

devilsadvocate · 11th November 2011, 08:09

If the VTS will struggle to pass an MOT then those parts can't be transferred so you will end up having to buy them again anyway.

You are going to need to use most of the parts from the VTS I believe due to differences in the engine and the power.

You wouldn't want 1.1 drum brakes stopping 120bhp of car...

wicked-vtr · 11th November 2011, 08:27

Rear brakes do fuck all braking, they just steady the car. Iirc jpsaxo, willsy and raunchez all had drums on there itb'd 16v's.

I've never done it but I understand the conversion is fairly straight forward, willsy had a 16v in his 1.0 saxo seen a few 1.1's and diesela converted too.

You will need to weld the ecu side engine mount from the vts into the 1.1 inner wing iirc, run a fuel return, Mabie change the fuel pump and I would fit the vts struts, arbs and brakes as there beefed up over the 1.1

The main issue i see is that you will really need to fit the vts interior loom too, which iirc means saxo dash and clocks too, you'll also need to have the ecu unlocked. I think fitting the saxo lockset will get round the unlocking but don't quote me on it.

I'm aure someone more knowledgeable will come along soon, but it can be done, especially if you have a complete donor car in good enough condition

AlexB^p · 11th November 2011, 08:30

Right heres what NEEDS changine to fit the engine in

cut the ecu side engine mount cradle off the vts and weld it in the 106

The motor will tben bolt in

However yours will be harder
The vts will have later tapered hubs so the struts will need swapping to suit the driveshafts
The looms wont match and will need splicing
The 1.1 wishbones are shite bin them the arb and fit the vts items
Vts front brakes are a good idea

Sounds simple but the loom wont be

wicked-vtr · 11th November 2011, 08:32

Forgot about shafts Alex good shout, will the intermediate bearing bolt up to the 1.1? Might need to drill and tap for that

AlexB^p · 11th November 2011, 08:33

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Originally Posted by wicked-vtr

Rear brakes do fuck all braking, they just steady the car. Iirc jpsaxo, willsy and raunchez all had drums on there itb'd 16v's.

I've never done it but I understand the conversion is fairly straight forward, willsy had a 16v in his 1.0 saxo seen a few 1.1's and diesela converted too.

You will need to weld the ecu side engine mount from the vts into the 1.1 inner wing iirc, run a fuel return, Mabie change the fuel pump and I would fit the vts struts, arbs and brakes as there beefed up over the 1.1

The main issue i see is that you will really need to fit the vts interior loom too, which iirc means saxo dash and clocks too, you'll also need to have the ecu unlocked. I think fitting the saxo lockset will get round the unlocking but don't quote me on it.

I'm aure someone more knowledgeable will come along soon, but it can be done, especially if you have a complete donor car in good enough condition

Only raunches still ran drums but your right rears do fuck all
swapping interior looms 106-saxo isnt as easy as that hed be best of splicing the mulyiplug imo

AlexB^p · 11th November 2011, 08:34

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Originally Posted by wicked-vtr

Forgot about shafts Alex good shout, will the intermediate bearing bolt up to the 1.1? Might need to drill and tap for that

Bolts to the vts engine block so hell be fine

wicked-vtr · 11th November 2011, 08:39

Learn something new every day, useful info for me too As im helping a useless mate do a vtr into 1.1 106. Cheers.

lukeduke · 11th November 2011, 18:36

i think im going to go ahead with it as i like a challenge lol. i think the end result will be well worth it

kennym1987 · 12th November 2011, 03:27

its not as complicated as its been made out in this thread

AlexB^p · 12th November 2011, 20:00

its not complicated no but the wiring can be a night mare

kennym1987 · 13th November 2011, 09:47

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Originally Posted by AlexB

its not complicated no but the wiring can be a night mare

mine was plug and play

AlexB^p · 13th November 2011, 11:59

His wont be though
Hence he will either need a new loom ecu amd a lot of sensors
or to splice his loom

Theres about 5 different looms between the 106 and the saxo and even ones that look the sale sometimes dont line up on the connections

yours may have been simple i know guys whove had 4 or 5 looms including custom ones and still had issues

Grant187 · 14th November 2011, 02:57

iv got a quiksilver engine in a 1.1 desire and that was just a straight fit. but idno man

kennym1987 · 14th November 2011, 13:58

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Originally Posted by AlexB

His wont be though
Hence he will either need a new loom ecu amd a lot of sensors
or to splice his loom

Theres about 5 different looms between the 106 and the saxo and even ones that look the sale sometimes dont line up on the connections

yours may have been simple i know guys whove had 4 or 5 looms including custom ones and still had issues

sorry i just read the first post again. he is going from 3 plug to single plug. and now i have thought about it i know what you mean. i had a single plug gti loom that was different from the single plug vts loom i am using now