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31st May 2009, 22:24
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throttle bodies on standard ecu (vts/gti)
hello everyone
most of you who use this section often will be aware of the current on going debates about people running throttle bodies using the standard ecu instead of using an after market ecu.
it has now been done on a 106. i have the owners permission to share this information with you-
its an early single plug ECU vts/gti engine running pug sport copy KMS throttle bodies. sounds very nice and the owner assured me the car drives fine and ive seen it running my self and it sounds amazing!
this should settle an on going debate that it can be done.
for anyone interested in this please contact wayne at chip wizards.
thanks for reading 
Last edited by gouldy87; 31st May 2009 at 22:27.
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31st May 2009, 22:37
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i were expecting a few replies to this one tbh
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31st May 2009, 22:39
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What are the results like BHP wise?
Better, worse or the same as an aftermarket ECU?
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31st May 2009, 22:39
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doesnt seem to be many ppl biting like lol, what power is it running? what cams?
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31st May 2009, 22:39
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beat me to it lol
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31st May 2009, 22:42
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Is the debate whether it could be done? Or is it that an aftermarket ECU would be more beneficial?
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31st May 2009, 22:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt67
Is the debate whether it could be done? Or is it that an aftermarket ECU would be more beneficial?
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That is could be done, and give good results and idle etc
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31st May 2009, 22:43
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at least there is substance to the claims then lol
any actual info on how hes done it??
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oh really.....
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31st May 2009, 22:45
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I wonder how long that sticker will last on the rocker cover 
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31st May 2009, 22:52
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wheres the info? lol 
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31st May 2009, 22:55
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quite interesting.. i'd like to know how it runs..
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31st May 2009, 23:04
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Quote:
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quite interesting.. i'd like to know how it runs..
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Originally Posted by gouldy87
its an early single plug ECU vts/gti engine running pug sport copy KMS throttle bodies. sounds very nice and the owner assured me the car drives fine and ive seen it running my self and it sounds amazing!
this should settle an on going debate that it can be done.
for anyone interested in this please contact wayne at chip wizards.
thanks for reading |
Thats how it runs 
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31st May 2009, 23:06
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Thats how it runs |
bhp wise.....
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1st June 2009, 08:35
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Its been none for many years. At the sprints I used to go to many years ago there were always a few 106 running throttle bodies on a remapped stock ECU. They never worked all that well with massive holes in the power band. According to the people who had it done it cost a absolute fortune to get the mapping work done. Most such setups all in cost more than what I had paid for stand alone.
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1st June 2009, 13:30
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yer also i was told they put the car into limp mode to do it,
but tbf wouldnt it just be better to get a standalone ecu?
i dont think anyone said it couldnt be done, just that it be better to get a standalone ecu that can support it better.
andy
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1st June 2009, 16:57
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it made 150bhp at the wheels i was there at the mapping. i have cammed gti pulls like fuck from me.
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1st June 2009, 19:11
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The power figures will not tell the whole story.
As axracing hinted on, its actually about how many speed and load sites are able to be mapped. The top end ecu's have many more than a standard or basic mappable ecu so can be mapped to keep the engine running at optimum power throughout the whole revrange.
kev
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1st June 2009, 19:48
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yer i like i said, i dnt think anyone said it cant be done, just will it support it as good as a standalone ecu, also would you be able to map it aswell too?
what it the total price of this? for him to do it and map it?
andy
Last edited by AndySAXO; 1st June 2009 at 19:58.
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1st June 2009, 21:04
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it was to settle the debate if it could be done or not. it can, happy days
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1st June 2009, 22:28
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yer i dont think poeple where saying as much as it couldnt because anything possible with the money and time to work at it,
do you know of the price for this to be done? for the whole job lot?
just why go to all the trouble of buying iTB and have a high spec engine then use a standard ecu?
when a standalone ecu would no doubt support the throttle bodies setup better, and and most likly be able to get a better map?
andy
Last edited by AndySAXO; 1st June 2009 at 22:32.
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