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2nd July 2010, 17:19
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Running Ph3's unmapped?
Would it be possible to run Newman Ph3's on an unmapped vts engine as i am looking to rebuild one with these in but remapping them about a month after engine is fitted to car?
Cheers.
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2nd July 2010, 17:24
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Yes it is possible but the idle will be rough and its not recommended to run them unmapped for longer than necessary, ie going to get it mapped!!!
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2nd July 2010, 17:25
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not to sure about a vts, but my saxo has reprofiled cam, and it idles shit when cold, not to bad when its warmed up! waiting for a remap myself lol.
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2nd July 2010, 17:32
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Location: Ramsey st marys, peterborough
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repro cams are nothing like ph3, it will run ok unmapped... i would retard the inlet about 2 degrees it be alot easier to drive around.
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8th July 2010, 14:34
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okay, so if i build it up with the ph3's, store bought not re-profiled and retarded 2 degrees it should run good enough? going to do this after the mot so have as long as possible to get it running sweet. Also looking into fitting these with new springs and caps? Its a long shot but anyone know a good standalone ECU supplier and mapper near east anglia? I will admit im new to going this far into modification but when the new ecu is fitted and mapped will they also adjust the timing to get the best out of it? Cheers for your help.
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8th July 2010, 15:11
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Look at northampton motor sport, is it single or 3 plug,
Yer turn it over by hand before starting after fitting the cams to check the clearance.
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8th July 2010, 15:20
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3 plug mate
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8th July 2010, 15:29
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I ran ph3's in my gti for about 3 months just fine without a remap. ran like poo on idle and would cut out whenever it felt like it (pulling up in traffic etc) but wasn't that frequently. Went like stink though on cam. Wouldn't advise it for a daily driver as it will get very old, very quickly...
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8th July 2010, 19:05
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ooo 3 plug that a shame.... and yer will over fuel and under fuel too... so i wouldnt do it for too long just to be on the safe side.
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8th July 2010, 19:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AndySAXO
ooo 3 plug that a shame.... and yer will over fuel and under fuel too... so i wouldnt do it for too long just to be on the safe side.
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Why is 3 plug bad? 
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8th July 2010, 19:36
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whats wrong with 3 plug?
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8th July 2010, 20:32
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Car(s): saxo vts, 205 gti-6, 307 hdi
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if your going for standalone management, emerald are based in norwich, can't get much more convenient than that
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9th July 2010, 19:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MJ05LLY
Why is 3 plug bad? |
Someone pleaseeeeeee
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9th July 2010, 19:15
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not bad just more complex
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9th July 2010, 19:42
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yer plus the single plug there is more plug and play type standalone ecu!
but if your going emerald they use there own loom... so could be expensive.. but a good system and dave is a very good mapper!
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10th July 2010, 15:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RossDagley
I ran ph3's in my gti for about 3 months just fine without a remap. ran like poo on idle and would cut out whenever it felt like it (pulling up in traffic etc) but wasn't that frequently. Went like stink though on cam. Wouldn't advise it for a daily driver as it will get very old, very quickly...
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I've been running 708s since feburary unmapped and mines idles fine and doesn't cut out. Not sure if they've been retarded or advanced though.
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10th July 2010, 16:10
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there's also http://www.atspeedracing.co.uk/ not cheap tho but top guys down there, they do omex but will do others aswell i think
Last edited by mattevts; 10th July 2010 at 16:12.
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