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23rd June 2016, 09:16
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so ive got about 1k to chuck into my gti
the only modifications it has is lowered , exhaust, induction kit currently.
its been sat off the road for about a year or more though, starts up fine after jumping it though which was a nice surprise, the engine seems fine so not going to replace it till it goes bang.
ideally im looking to get 200bhp out of the car in the next year or so, im a bit of a novice mechanically speaking , any advice on what to buy first?
its a 2001 106 gti.
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23rd June 2016, 09:23
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Get it sold put the other 1k in to something decent like a 1.8 corsa
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23rd June 2016, 09:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dany4494
Get it sold put the other 1k in to something decent like a 1.8 corsa
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just sold my bmw 645ci lol, missed the go kart feeling of my first 106 gti
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23rd June 2016, 09:35
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the shell ive got is pretty good nick, bar the bonnet, it needs replaced
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23rd June 2016, 09:36
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Haha I'm just been a Dick I'm sure someone will be along soon with some real advice ITBS ?
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23rd June 2016, 10:02
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£1k isn't going to get you a TB set up and management plus everything else needed.
You're probably going to want to go down the Manifold, Cat Cams 743's, Mapped by Chipwizards and if you've change go for a set of B8's and springs, constella gear linkages, BakerBM quick shift etc.
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23rd June 2016, 10:04
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Before going big on power get the brakes uprated mate.
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23rd June 2016, 10:05
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Just fit a 75bhp direct injection nitrous oxide setup. It's the cheapest way you'll hit 200bhp.
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23rd June 2016, 10:07
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after buying pads/drilled discs aall round, new tyres all round, i should have about 1k left to spend just on the car at the moment, can add bits and bobs every month , when the engine goes bang is when i will think about turbo, is this an easy enough diy job? no chance im spending 8k getting a garage to do it lol
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23rd June 2016, 10:23
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The only way a turbo works out cheap is if you buy someone elses failed project or from someone breaking a turbo/sc'd car.
What's making you think the engines going to blow? Why not spend a bit on preventive maintenance and save yourself some ballache and money in the long run.
Manifold, exhaust, cams, map should see about 140bhp. Catcams are £300 and a manifold, if you get a cheap one, could be as cheap as £120 from ebay. There's little point in chasing 200bhp, it just isn't going to happen unless you've the knowledge of the likes of Sandy to do all the engine work yourself. Even then I doubt you'd even get close to 200bhp for your budget.
Spend the money on handling upgrades. I still maintain my best bang for buck mods were grp n engine mount kit, constella grp n linkages, BakerBM quick shift & powerflex wishbone and rear beam mounts. You'd get that lot new for ~£300. My next upgrade is Bilstein B8's and springs but you're talking £400+.
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23rd June 2016, 10:50
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I seriously wouldn't bother wasting money on drilled discs. I don't rate them for competition use never mind road use. A decent spec plain disc is plenty. Better spending the money on changing the brake set up with new calipers. You can get something like the 288mm brake set up for reasonable money. I'd start with that. Then sort the suspension, then move on on to engine mods.
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23rd June 2016, 11:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Synister
The only way a turbo works out cheap is if you buy someone elses failed project or from someone breaking a turbo/sc'd car.
What's making you think the engines going to blow? Why not spend a bit on preventive maintenance and save yourself some ballache and money in the long run.
Manifold, exhaust, cams, map should see about 140bhp. Catcams are £300 and a manifold, if you get a cheap one, could be as cheap as £120 from ebay. There's little point in chasing 200bhp, it just isn't going to happen unless you've the knowledge of the likes of Sandy to do all the engine work yourself. Even then I doubt you'd even get close to 200bhp for your budget.
Spend the money on handling upgrades. I still maintain my best bang for buck mods were grp n engine mount kit, constella grp n linkages, BakerBM quick shift & powerflex wishbone and rear beam mounts. You'd get that lot new for ~£300. My next upgrade is Bilstein B8's and springs but you're talking £400+.
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nothing makes me think the engine is on its way out apart from the "made in france", probably has a lot to do with how untidy the engine bay is.
just wanting a nippy sleeper that puts a smile on my face and sadness on other drivers faces, looking to keep the car for a long time, since most of them have been wrapped round trees it would be nice to keep 1 in storage lol.
i just want the car to be safe , dont want to be taking a corner and have something let me down and end up in a field, or worse lol.
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23rd June 2016, 11:31
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Wheres the car going to be used? This will dictate what modifications will work.
You can get 180bhp+ without going to an enginebuilder but 200bhp may be hard.
Whatever that will be fast
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23rd June 2016, 11:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KamRacing
Wheres the car going to be used? This will dictate what modifications will work.
You can get 180bhp+ without going to an enginebuilder but 200bhp may be hard.
Whatever that will be fast
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fast road use mainly(b roads), and nipping about town
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23rd June 2016, 13:24
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will everything that fits a vts fit the 106 gti with no problem? found a cheapish donor vts with all this done.
high lift cams big wilwood four potbrakes Mini Cooper s xhaust solid back axle quick shift turret and linkage. Four new tires new bottom arms and handbrake cable. Four branch manifold. Bucket seat and harness
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23rd June 2016, 13:27
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saxo is an 2003
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23rd June 2016, 13:35
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Being realistic then:
New pads, disks, tyres.
You may as well have a brake fluid change as it'll be the same crap thats sat in the system for years.
Suspension will make such a huge difference to how it drives and handles, Bilstein b8's come highly recommended although they are not cheap.
4-2-1 exhaust manifold and full system will free up a bit of power and add some noise.
engine wise - a set of cams will give you a nice power increase plus getting the standard ECU mapped to get the most out of your induction kit, exhaust and new cams.
As it's been sat for over a year you may as well get a new timing belt kit (belt, rollers, tensioners etc) and waterpump as well as auxillary belt. Not forgetting service items - oil, filter,plugs,battery(possibly) and Fuel filter.
Drain and refill gearbox oil
Quickshift gear linkage and uprated engine mounts.
All that will in all likelyhood cost more then £1k, you won't be anywhere near 200bhp, but you will have a nicely tuned, well sorted car that will drive great and put a smile on your face every time you take it out, as well as hopefully lasting quite a while!
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23rd June 2016, 13:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BUMMERS
Being realistic then:
New pads, disks, tyres.
You may as well have a brake fluid change as it'll be the same crap thats sat in the system for years.
Suspension will make such a huge difference to how it drives and handles, Bilstein b8's come highly recommended although they are not cheap.
4-2-1 exhaust manifold and full system will free up a bit of power and add some noise.
engine wise - a set of cams will give you a nice power increase plus getting the standard ECU mapped to get the most out of your induction kit, exhaust and new cams.
As it's been sat for over a year you may as well get a new timing belt kit (belt, rollers, tensioners etc) and waterpump as well as auxillary belt. Not forgetting service items - oil, filter,plugs,battery(possibly) and Fuel filter.
Drain and refill gearbox oil
Quickshift gear linkage and uprated engine mounts.
All that will in all likelyhood cost more then £1k, you won't be anywhere near 200bhp, but you will have a nicely tuned, well sorted car that will drive great and put a smile on your face every time you take it out, as well as hopefully lasting quite a while!
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cheers, ive found a sxo vts with basically all those parts you listed lol, will it all fit on the gti no problem? heard they were basically the same thing bar the shell
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23rd June 2016, 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bearpuncher
cheers, ive found a sxo vts with basically all those parts you listed lol, will it all fit on the gti no problem? heard they were basically the same thing bar the shell
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Yeah most things should be a direct swap.
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23rd June 2016, 13:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BUMMERS
Yeah most things should be a direct swap.
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suweeeeeet, whats the crack with the mini cooper exhaust though lol is it better than other exhausts?
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