vtr to vts torque - Saxperience

blacksax1 · 14th May 2007, 16:28

i dont know if this is the right place but anyways. i was just wondering what the difference power wise there is between a vtr and vts. does the extra 40 bhp (in my case) make all the difference. i am thinking about selling the vtr to buy a vts but just wondered what peoples opinions are on them. what i really wanna now is if the difference is drastic or not. am have been looking at a 20v turbo fiat coupe but love my saxo cus of its handling and power to weight ratio. sell it to me people!!!

CampDavid · 14th May 2007, 16:31

Drive one and find out

williamsvts · 14th May 2007, 16:56

40hp increase from vtr to vts???????

fiat 20v turbos????? i wouldnt buy 1. hard to work on and arent the most reliable.

KamRacing · 14th May 2007, 17:01

i think you will find the fiat to be disappointing on the corners and very likely to be worse than a french car in reliability. I followed one on the motorway puffing plumes of smoke out the rear. Seemed about right.....

The VTS will be a lot better car but the difference is more like 22bhp off the top of my head. The performance benefit will be at high revs where an 8v traditionally loses power to a 16v

chrisni1986 · 14th May 2007, 17:03

difference is unbelievable.. you dont think its much untill you've driven one.. my mate took mine for a spin about 3 weeks ago and gave it some in first and slammed it 2nd.. said it totally scared the shit outta him as it just pulled towards the footpath with the power.. people look and say only a saxo bla bla bla but a sharp vts would push most things within reason up the road...

S34MER · 14th May 2007, 17:37

lol 40bhp increase from VTR to VTS??

theres only a 22bhp increase or a 30bhp increase depending on whether you have the 90bhp or 98bhp VTR engine, the S is only 120bhp mate

and YES it makes a SHIT load of difference mate, you'd be suprised actually! twin cam helps alot!

Barry123 · 14th May 2007, 18:44

translates to around 20% more power which in my books in a considerable increase, although interestingly as you titled it... the torque between the two engine is very nearly the same.. although occurs at totally different rpms.

bullit · 14th May 2007, 18:49

i remember that discussion

blacksax1 · 14th May 2007, 19:04

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

40hp increase from vtr to vts???????

fiat 20v turbos????? i wouldnt buy 1. hard to work on and arent the most reliable.

yeah sorry im being thick i mean 30 as i have a phase one engine

blacksax1 · 14th May 2007, 19:08

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Originally Posted by adsayer

translates to around 20% more power which in my books in a considerable increase, although interestingly as you titled it... the torque between the two engine is very nearly the same.. although occurs at totally different rpms.

well its torque that matters mate bhp is just an indication of how much power the engine does create but its torque that makes the car move and throws you back in your seat so surely thats the most important factor. when ever i look at a car i always look at the torque figure first.

bullit · 14th May 2007, 19:10

well they have the same torque

Barry123 · 14th May 2007, 19:10

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Originally Posted by blacksax1

well its torque that matters mate bhp is just an indication of how much power the engine does create but its torque that makes the car move and throws you back in your seat so surely thats the most important factor. when ever i look at a car i always look at the torque figure first.

i wasnt sure thanks for clearing that up lol

andyvts98 · 14th May 2007, 19:10

the torque figure is what dynos measure and the computer calculates bhp

Barry123 · 14th May 2007, 19:14

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Originally Posted by bullit

well they have the same torque

ya, this is where the factors such as rev limit, and torque profile come into it.

as blacksax said.... torque is the 'mazin force that shifts the car... but that has to go through a torque-multiplier (gearbox) before sending le force to the wheels. lower the gear... the more torque multiplication going on and so higher acceleration. VTS engine has a higher rev limit and so can have a lower gear thus MORE wheel torque and bosh more acceleration...

blacksax1 · 14th May 2007, 20:01

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Originally Posted by adsayer

ya, this is where the factors such as rev limit, and torque profile come into it.

as blacksax said.... torque is the 'mazin force that shifts the car... but that has to go through a torque-multiplier (gearbox) before sending le force to the wheels. lower the gear... the more torque multiplication going on and so higher acceleration. VTS engine has a higher rev limit and so can have a lower gear thus MORE wheel torque and bosh more acceleration...

bang on

Colin · 14th May 2007, 20:04

Mate, the difference in 16v to 8v is mad. Get a VTS!

blacksax1 · 14th May 2007, 20:12

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Originally Posted by ColSax

Mate, the difference in 16v to 8v is mad. Get a VTS!

well im getting the itch so got to see if i can pay the rest of my car off and then trade it in for a vts.

PRICEY-VTS · 14th May 2007, 20:20

thers a really big diffrfence mate just sold my vtr and got an vts at the last mintue and tell you something a wouldent go bk the diffrence is a really big change a dont think you could expect it till you compared the 2 by driving them

bullit · 14th May 2007, 20:25

youve also got to learn to rev when making the switch

Colin · 14th May 2007, 20:30

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Originally Posted by bullit

youve also got to learn to rev when making the switch

True VTS's do benifit from being revved hard. Keep it above 4k and its alot of fun.

Col.