fiat coupe 20v brakes - Saxperience

philb121 · 25th March 2009, 21:22

i read somewhere that fiat coupe 20v brakes are the same as the 406 v6 brakes and do fit on a saxo.

not sure where i heard it so does anybody know if this is true or did i dream it or something

thanks in advance

swampy · 25th March 2009, 21:36

they are the basic same design of caliper
but
as with others the actual mounting lugs are different so they require brackets to mount them on

fossie · 25th March 2009, 22:02

Think some of them (especially on the LE versions) they are brembos as well!!

beau_4076 · 25th March 2009, 22:04

yer same brembos on 20vt/406 coupe/alfa gtv

alloys are pretty hard to fit over them.

swampy · 25th March 2009, 22:11

No not the same at all!
The caliper is of the same design and with same size pistons pads etc
but the mounting points are different for each application

gixxa · 25th March 2009, 22:02

you also need at least 16" if not 17" due to the bracket bringing the caliper so far away from the hub

fossie · 25th March 2009, 22:04

Would imagine would need spacers to make them fit a Saxo, plus custom brackets

fossie · 25th March 2009, 22:14

Aye so would probably be more chew than its worth unless your a good machinist/fabricator to do the work

Steve · 26th March 2009, 08:15

The calipers are the same. Need 406 mount brakets. Can fit them under 15s need 17mm spacers on vts wheels. Not sure if mo5s with the curves fit over without spacers. Not worth it with big spacers imo get wilwoods if ya dont want spacers and run vts wheels

gixxa · 26th March 2009, 09:53

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Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

The calipers are the same. Need 406 mount brakets. Can fit them under 15s need 17mm spacers on vts wheels. Not sure if mo5s with the curves fit over without spacers. Not worth it with big spacers imo get wilwoods if ya dont want spacers and run vts wheels

when you say you need 406 mounting brackets, do you mean you get a bracket made to fit or is there something of the shelf

Steve · 26th March 2009, 09:56

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Originally Posted by gixxa

when you say you need 406 mounting brackets, do you mean you get a bracket made to fit or is there something of the shelf

will be able to get it off the shelf from pug or brembo i would have thought as they came as standard.

Researching, the brackets are different.

Steve · 26th March 2009, 08:16

You can buy the 406 brackets but if you know someone decent it will be easy for someone to make them

saxo_ron · 26th March 2009, 08:17

4pots seem to be just for show from what ive seen of cars with them on. Really do seem to be overkill.

( I will probably get slated for that comment but I speak as I find )

Steve · 26th March 2009, 09:51

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Originally Posted by saxo_ron

4pots seem to be just for show from what ive seen of cars with them on. Really do seem to be overkill.

( I will probably get slated for that comment but I speak as I find )

have you got experience with a saxo with 4pots and the car pushed to the total limit ronald?

stuff is only for show, if your simply looking at it

saxo_ron · 26th March 2009, 11:26

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Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

have you got experience with a saxo with 4pots and the car pushed to the total limit ronald?

stuff is only for show, if your simply looking at it

Although you would never admit it on here you frequently tell me yours are shte and havent stopped complaining about them since you got them Steven.

Back end steps out, hardly any bite....the list goes on

Richie also states they are a waste of time and he neednt have bothered.

I do have experience of a 150bhp saxo pushed to the limit using a 266mm set up and it is more than adequate. In your words in fact 'your brakes are really good'.

Steve · 26th March 2009, 12:08

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Originally Posted by saxo_ron

Although you would never admit it on here you frequently tell me yours are shte and havent stopped complaining about them since you got them Steven.

Back end steps out, hardly any bite....the list goes on

Richie also states they are a waste of time and he neednt have bothered.

I do have experience of a 150bhp saxo pushed to the limit using a 266mm set up and it is more than adequate. In your words in fact 'your brakes are really good'.

have you seen my rear axle?

and height of car at the rear?
bald tyre on front left, with cv grease on it

all things that alter straight line braking ronald.

the bite is the pads

thats why they are £26

Still out brakes most things.

I had 266mm they were shit, lasted 3 laps of rockinham, croft they were alright near end of session they were fucked.

You have fast road track pads in your 266mm

and you dont have that ghey ebd shite.

each to their own i suppose.

was cheaper than buying fast road pads for my 266mm's in the long run.

Once i fix my wonky slonky axle, it has eventually gone completely

get my car height sorted and my new pads on, abs sorted (as on other forums they think the ghey ebd does use the abs sensors) will give you a brake test race on the airfield, who can stop the fastest front 40mph, 60mph 80mph etc lol

TBH every time i drive your car, the brake pad feel is awesome, it is shite in my car, but the speedo dramatically drops with the 4pots compared to yours, currently i have mine set so can nip them last minute before a corner.
But progressive braking is a no no atm, all or nothing

gixxa · 26th March 2009, 10:13

the way I see it is the bracket would be something like this, which will move the caliper away from the hub a inch or so. which would mean you need bigger wheels and run bigger disk than 283/5mm

sorry the picture aint grate but gives you an idea what im getting at

Steve · 26th March 2009, 10:35

the bracket, is what mounts the caliper (brembo) to the strut on the car.
Different cars have different hub arrangements, thats why need different brackets so you can mount the caliper to your strut.

But with refference to what you said, you can change the size of the braket to run bigger discs, pointless going too big as the part of the disc closest to the hub wont have any contact with the the pads in the caliper.

If you know what i mean?

gixxa · 26th March 2009, 10:38

yeah the spacing on the fiat brakes are 130mm were as the saxo are 85mm iirc. So a bracket is needed to reduce this size, but with the bracket you would be bringing the caliper away from the hub

Steve · 26th March 2009, 11:25

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Originally Posted by gixxa

yeah the spacing on the fiat brakes are 130mm were as the saxo are 85mm iirc. So a bracket is needed to reduce this size, but with the bracket you would be bringing the caliper away from the hub

and making it fit your strut of course, whih is the main thing