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25th July 2008, 16:30
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Originally Posted by Evolution4589
Engine was delivered today... cam's being reprofiled this week. Don't know how much they'd be retail as my car is the development car for all head and cam work, but it wouldn't be thousands...
Also, consider an induction kit from this company that I'm getting my work done by... 7bhp increase as proven on a rolling road.
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What kind of gains you expecting from the cam?
Whats the company mate and induction kit costs?
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25th July 2008, 16:34
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Car(s): Peugeot 206 1.1 LX
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Company is called GSR Engineering. Visit the forum www.performance206.com in about two weeks and you'll have an idea of what's going on with the engine.
Cam I'd say minimum of 8bhp, max of 15bhp. It's impossible to tell until we actually get one reprofiled, but the cam has quite a bit to give- especially on the PSA 8v engines.
Induction kit is around the £150 mark  seems a lot but unlike all the shit like K&N (I used to have a K&N 57i) it actually works. We did 4 separate tests of induction on the 206 when we ran it... first time was the standard airbox, car was pumping out 62bhp as it was. With the K&N 57i it dropped to 58bhp (quoted factory standard), with the Pipercross from a Fiat Punto 1.2 16v (had one lying around) it was 61bhp... and then with the GSR kit it was 69bhp. I also had mine remapped that day, got a nice round 74bhp.
I'll keep you posted on here regarding what we find. The head looks to be pretty solid anyway, very good for standard. The PSA induction and cams appear to be the weak spots on the TU 8v engines.
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25th July 2008, 17:00
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#23
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are you going to be putting bigger valves in the engine or thinking of manufacture of forged pistons&rods etc?
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25th July 2008, 17:27
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Lol I don't think so, as that's where it starts getting stupidly expensive and on a 1.1 it is near pointless. I'm considering lighter pistons but tbh, the 1.1 revs up nice and quickly anyway.
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25th July 2008, 17:35
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Originally Posted by Evolution4589
Lol I don't think so, as that's where it starts getting stupidly expensive and on a 1.1 it is near pointless. I'm considering lighter pistons but tbh, the 1.1 revs up nice and quickly anyway.
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Stupid to ask but the lighter pistons will they be suitable for a turbo and not melt?
I shall leave you now and await results. 
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25th July 2008, 19:17
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Saxperience Forum Bum
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Originally Posted by don55
turbo it, pm sophia about it.
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Yup, best way 
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25th July 2008, 19:23
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#27
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Location: Shropshire
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Car(s): Moonstone Blue 106 GTi
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or just buy my whole turbo kit
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25th July 2008, 19:28
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Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush
or just buy my whole turbo kit
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You selling up? Or upgrading 
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25th July 2008, 19:51
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Selling up tom I don't have the time these days as work is pretty much top priority right now.
Just going to build a nice useable n/a spec engine and use that as it is on weekends as I barely go for random drives anymore lol!
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26th July 2008, 13:39
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Car(s): saxo vtr, mk3 fiesta 1.1 - 2.0 zetec project
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could you please keep us updated on prices of the cam reprofile and other things please im quite interested in this and i'll look on tht thread u sent to see how ur engine is goin.
cheers
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26th July 2008, 13:42
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Will do... I bought a new inlet manifold & throttle body just this morning so will let you know what sort of gains I get from that + the injectors and the re-remap to tie it all together.
Red Dot got my engine on Friday and will start poking about with it on Monday!
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1st August 2008, 22:44
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mango wagon!
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sophia what sort of bhp was ur 1.1 pushing then? and do u or any one know if an east coast is spi or mpi?
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5th August 2008, 12:40
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Any news on the cams? etc matey?
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6th August 2008, 00:14
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i just got a new powerflow exaust system from downpipe back on my 1.1 pug 205 does any1 know how much power increase tht gives me
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6th August 2008, 02:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muhuha
Any news on the cams? etc matey?
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She goes in Saturday not heard anything about the reprofiled cam yet, which is worrying but I'll let you know.
Will be installing all the VTR parts no matter what, so God knows what gains I'll see where. It's £120-worth of stuff (induction kit @ £100 and VTR inlet/TB/injectors @ £20) so will be interesting to see if there's any gain whatsoever.
Should be a fully ported and flowed head in the garage for me on Saturday too 
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6th August 2008, 13:51
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nice work keep us updated
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10th August 2008, 16:28
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*sigh*
Got there yesterday, no head, no cam, engine hadn't even been unwrapped... so I took it all apart myself and gave the head to a specialist to see what happens.
Injectors proved worthy though... 78bhp.
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10th August 2008, 21:24
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#38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Evolution4589
*sigh*
Got there yesterday, no head, no cam, engine hadn't even been unwrapped... so I took it all apart myself and gave the head to a specialist to see what happens.
Injectors proved worthy though... 78bhp.
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Asswipes, so 78bhp with the 7bhp induction etc? What power did the injectors give?
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10th August 2008, 23:33
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whats the injectors?
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10th August 2008, 23:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muhuha
Asswipes, so 78bhp with the 7bhp induction etc? What power did the injectors give?
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Standard = 62bhp (rolling road tested)
Induction kit = 69bhp
Remap = 74bhp
Injectors + map tweaked to accommodate (do not just pop the injectors in, your car overfuels like a bitch and goes into limp home mode!!) = 78bhp
To come...
Cam = 8-15bhp
Ported + flowed head = 2-10bhp
Exhaust system = ?
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