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22nd April 2017, 12:04
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#101
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That is gorgeous, lovely build mate, would love to see this go haha
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29th April 2017, 21:03
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#102
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Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: cumbria
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Car(s): Satin black furio
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So today actually happened , it's on a low boost map !
Car made 200 bhp and 200 nm at 8 psi of boost with another 2500 rpm to go .
Hit a few problems which we could sort out ,
Ignition timing was out 10 degrees
Gearbox I bought off blacky stopped going into 1st gear when running?
Slight oil leak from the cam ladder
Hit a bit of boost spike for some reason, (to do with wastegate)
Overall Jonathan is happy with how the car works and has said 'it will make good power )
Need to get it ran in now then screw it upto 1.5 bar of boost and see what the figures say .
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30th April 2017, 09:47
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#103
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 458
Car(s): Saxo vtr turbo
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Awesome mate great result that bet it feels lively to drive
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30th April 2017, 09:54
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#104
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Location: cumbria
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Haven't driven the car yet , maybe today if I sort whatever is up with the gearbox . Definitely looked quick on the rolling road.
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30th April 2017, 10:25
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#105
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Location: Birmingham
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Car(s): Saxo vtr turbo
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That sucks about the box I would have to take it for a spin if it was me just avoid 1st lol
Last edited by gti180craig; 30th April 2017 at 10:39.
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30th April 2017, 16:56
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#106
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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Originally Posted by axsaxoman
ihear what you say wayne -- but all failures with oil coolers i have seen are because people don,t hold the nut on the cooler when they fit the pipes and crack the welding of the union when tightening up the pipes
will have had probably 5 or 6 been returned from selling oil cooler kits and every time you can see a spanner has never been on the built in unions on the cooler and when quizzed the customers admitted they never held the unions when fitting hose connections
certainly the thread on mocal ones could be smoother that i will agree with --too much paint on them +no one ever cleans it off
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I've had some fail right in the middle of the core too John.
I do know what you mean about the fittings because one on my own car failed like that, but my teenage son had fitted it and I hadn't told him to use two spanners so I put the new leakage down to that. However, when I removed it to replace it the fitting came completely off. You could then very, very clearly see where the weld had taken in just a few spots and the paint was the only thing plugging the gaps. I should have taken pictures really.
That failure, plus three other new Mocal coolers failing on customers cars on the dyno, was enough for me to never use one ever again and warn every customer who has one. I'm certain they are just Chinese shit with a Mocal sticker on. Think Automotive need to do exactly that, THINK what shit products are going to do for their business long term. Short-term big profits are all well and good, but they don't tend to last.
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25th May 2017, 21:59
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#107
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Location: cumbria
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Not a right lot to update on the car , just been finishing little jobs off ,
Got a new harness for my plx wideband and a new lsu 4.9 sensor , it now all works as it should.
Fuel pump is wired up properly to prime with the ignition instead of on a switch
Got a magnaflow sorts cat to get it through the mot
Changed the sportline springs for kamracing 160lb grams springs, these gave me more clearance for the chunky toyo r888's I'm running.
Can't check what my afr is sat at yet as it's currently fouled 3 plugs again ? It must be because I'm starting the car and just having it on tickover for too long and causing a carbon build up on the plugs . Hopefully when it on the road it should not eat through them as much . I hope anyways
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25th May 2017, 22:07
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#108
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Location: Birmingham
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Car(s): Saxo vtr turbo
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Oohh why are the plugs being fouled mate seems odd that ?? Nice update though been a while lol
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25th May 2017, 22:16
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#109
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Originally Posted by gti180craig
Oohh why are the plugs being fouled mate seems odd that ?? Nice update though been a while lol
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Not a clue ! Probably because the plugs aren't getting hot enough to clean themselves.
Got 8 new ngk bcr8es coming so will leave it alone until it's insured and taxed which should be next weekend. Then give it a good run out and have a look at the plugs afterwards. May have to go up a heat range but I would have thought it would be okay on the 8's
Yeah have been keeping going with the car , really want it on the road but not wanting to bodge anything to save time . Need insurance confirmed first haha
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26th May 2017, 10:16
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#110
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Location: Scotland
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my guess is ecu is so far off correct settings that it is far too rich --or battery is near flat which will alter fuelling settings on start up -if only running sensible ,then std plugs will be fine till you have it mapped on a dyno
If w/b is working is it running at lambda 1 on idle? or around 14 -1afr --it should be and will need to be to pass an MOT
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26th May 2017, 11:48
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#111
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Car(s): VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
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and gearbox issue is sorted  looking well mate.
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26th May 2017, 18:06
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#112
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Thanks for the replies, gearbox is now spot on thanks Andrew.
The car has been mapped on the dyno and set to a low boost for now , until the car is ran in then I'll take it back for a higher boost map .
Still waiting on plugs unfortunately so can't see what the afr reads on tickover . May go the halfrauds this evening and get some standard saxo plugs instead of the cooler running ones
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5th June 2017, 18:13
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#113
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Not much of an update, but have got the car on the road this weekend just gone. Have clocked up 150 miles already and hasn't missed a single beat so far.
I am going to change the exhaust and have it coming out the back instead of being side exit . It's fun for 20 miles or so then it starts giving me a headache.
All in all I'm very pleased with how the car drives and goes round corners .
The first victim was a mk7 fiesta st thinking it was just a saxo vts whilst going up hartside in Cumbria. He was surprised when he asked to look under the bonnet when I got to the top haha .
Last edited by robster247; 5th June 2017 at 18:17.
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5th June 2017, 20:45
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#114
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Shirley
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Car(s): 2000 'X' Reg Citroen Saxo VTR, 2 Tone
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Awesome build man, can't wait to see what power it runs
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6th June 2017, 12:07
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#115
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robster247
The first victim was a mk7 fiesta st thinking it was just a saxo vts whilst going up hartside in Cumbria. He was surprised when he asked to look under the bonnet when I got to the top haha .
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Awesome news dude, I own both a turboed VTS and a MP215 Fiesta ST180 and can confirm the saxos weight difference makes it more enjoyable
good to hear you've got some miles on her
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27th June 2017, 15:08
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#116
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Slight update , so it WAS running great for the 364 miles it lasted .
Coming onto a slip road I decided it would be fun to let it have the beans, all was well until I got in boost in 3rd then a large bang followed by a really bad rattle I knew something had broke .
Managed to coast into a lay by and by time I got out ( major effort with the seats and cage ) it had dumped all its gearbox oil out . A friend kindly trailered it home and I whipped the box out the next day .
The cause : sheared half the teeth from the crown wheel and it was lucky the diff was still in the box as it had smashed all the housing around the diff .
All in all it's a bag of shxte !
But still lucky enough to get the be4 box conversion haha .
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27th June 2017, 15:16
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#117
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Location: Birmingham
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Ahhh man sorry to hear about the box but shows how much power it has
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27th June 2017, 15:20
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#118
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Originally Posted by gti180craig
Ahhh man sorry to hear about the box but shows how much power it has 
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Haha yeah well the ma box does have the reputation of exploding.
Getting fairly well on with the be4 conversion, only downside of doing it is I need a new diff .
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27th June 2017, 15:24
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#119
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GMC do a gearbox strengthening spline kit which makes it larger so it shouldn't strip the teeth on MA and BE or so I'm told.
IIRC at 200bhp and 147ftlb its strange as the torque is relatively low compared to some (unless its now running more which I have missed)?
BE is the way to go its just a shame it costs so much unless you can fab a lot of it yourself.
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27th June 2017, 15:32
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#120
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamH
GMC do a gearbox strengthening spline kit which makes it larger so it shouldn't strip the teeth on MA and BE or so I'm told.
IIRC at 200bhp and 147ftlb its strange as the torque is relatively low compared to some (unless its now running more which I have missed)?
BE is the way to go its just a shame it costs so much unless you can fab a lot of it yourself.
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I'll have a look at that tonight, so far it's cost me
Be4r gearbox from the scrapyard £50
1.8l 306 passenger shaft £20 second hand off eBay
Picasso drivers shaft with bearing carrier £30 again off eBay
Cable clutch fork £16
Clutch cable £15
Be hubs for the front ( machined on our own lathe) £10
Will also be shortening the drivers shaft myself as I'm a welder and fabricator. And have a lathe big enough to fit the shaft in .
Car had 200 nm of torque, which isn't a lot as you said. Hopefully the be4 holds up to a bit more
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