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View Poll Results: Should Smoking Be Banned
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21st March 2007, 16:52
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Originally Posted by johnny_vts
Smoking kills 1 in 2 smokers.
Smoking costs the NHS £1.7 billion/annum.
Case studies: see Cohen et al 1998, Stapleton et al 1999.
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Thats not a case study... Where is the evidence smoking directly costs the NHS that amount?
And how does it kill one in two smokers? Where is the evidence
Oh and how remarkable that you used the figure 1.7 BIllion when a quick google search brings up and article with the exact same figure but for alcohol related expenditure!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3537257.stm
Oh and btw that was from 2004 so out of date now.
Please try to at least get a background knowledge of the subject before atempting to look smart little boy...
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21st March 2007, 16:52
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#122
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Originally Posted by Chris_Mcj
Agreed, however there not going stop trying cure cancer, just because a law banning smoking has been passed, they will still invest billions into cancer research and any other diseases even if they are or are not caused by smoking.
Smoking will never be entirely banned anyway, just partially like they are now.
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Your first point is mutually exclusive to the argument regarding the NHS.
They won't stop trying to cure it, they will however, have to spend less treating patients that have cancer because of their own stupidity.
Tobacco smoking costs the NHS £1.4-1.7 billion each year (Cohen et al 1998, Stapleton et al 1999) and 1 in 3 adults, aged 16 years of age or over, are thought to smoke in the UK (Steele 2000). Approximately half of all smokers will eventually die from smoking related diseases (Hanrahan et al 1996): all smokers have a life expectancy that is 8 years less than those who have never smoked (Stapleton et al 1999). 30% of heart disease is attributable to smoking ( http://www.mmaf.org/smoking.htm): numerous studies conclusively show that smokers have a two- to four-fold increased incidence of CHD than non-smokers (Hanrahan et al 1996). This further underlines smoking as a major cause of morbidity and mortality.
Last edited by johnny_vts; 21st March 2007 at 17:11.
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21st March 2007, 16:55
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#123
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Don't get me wrong; if someone wishes to smoke themselves to death then they have every right to do so. However, why should they have a right to damage my health or that of others around me whilst doing so?
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21st March 2007, 16:56
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#124
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saxodan
Thats not a case study... Where is the evidence smoking directly costs the NHS that amount?
And how does it kill one in two smokers? Where is the evidence
Oh and how remarkable that you used the figure 1.7 BIllion when a quick google search brings up and article with the exact same figure but for alcohol related expenditure!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3537257.stm
Oh and btw that was from 2004 so out of date now.
Please try to at least get a background knowledge of the subject before atempting to look smart little boy...
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i think either way, if there is a way of reducing the cost of NHS by banning smoking then it a good thing. The NHS spends alot on a&e from drunken nights out but there isnt really a way of stopping people from drinking in public places is there?
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21st March 2007, 16:56
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Originally Posted by johnny_vts
Don't get me wrong; if someone wishes to smoke themselves to death then they have every right to do so. However, why should they have a right to damage my health or that of others around me whilst doing so?
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no they shouldnt mate your right there...but what can you do...leave the pub
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21st March 2007, 16:57
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#126
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saxodan
Thats not a case study... Where is the evidence smoking directly costs the NHS that amount?
And how does it kill one in two smokers? Where is the evidence
Oh and how remarkable that you used the figure 1.7 BIllion when a quick google search brings up and article with the exact same figure but for alcohol related expenditure!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3537257.stm
Oh and btw that was from 2004 so out of date now.
Please try to at least get a background knowledge of the subject before atempting to look smart little boy...
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21st March 2007, 16:57
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#127
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saxodan
Thats not a case study... Where is the evidence smoking directly costs the NHS that amount?
And how does it kill one in two smokers? Where is the evidence
Oh and how remarkable that you used the figure 1.7 BIllion when a quick google search brings up and article with the exact same figure but for alcohol related expenditure!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3537257.stm
Oh and btw that was from 2004 so out of date now.
Please try to at least get a background knowledge of the subject before atempting to look smart little boy...
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Exactly - that's how freely available the information is.
Your ignorance with regards to the damage of smoking, quite literally, astounds me. I presume you are of the ilk that believes the Earth is flat, having not witnessed the curvature with your own eyes...
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21st March 2007, 16:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyvts
no they shouldnt mate your right there...but what can you do...leave the pub
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no if someone chooses to smoke they should leave not the other way round
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21st March 2007, 16:58
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Originally Posted by johnny_vts
mutually exclusive.
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Lol,My opinion is agreed by other people meaning the 'mutually' bit. But don't quite get where your going with it being exclusive! 
Sure your not trying to sound really cool? 
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21st March 2007, 16:59
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#130
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Originally Posted by vtracer
no if someone chooses to smoke they should leave not the other way round
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Agreed 
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21st March 2007, 17:00
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Originally Posted by johnny_vts
Exactly - that's how freely available the information is.
Your ignorance with regards to the damage of smoking, quite literally, astounds me. I presume you are of the ilk that believes the Earth is flat, having not witnessed the curvature with your own eyes...
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Dude, I made no attempt to insult you, I just proved my point with facts, now the fact that you have lowerd yourself to using insults and using up everyone one of the words in your "make me look smart on the internet" vocabulary..
I think its sad.. that you cant prove me wrong
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21st March 2007, 17:01
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#132
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lets not turn this into a personal matter lads!
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21st March 2007, 17:01
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Originally Posted by Chris_Mcj
Lol,My opinion is agreed by other people meaning the 'mutually' bit. But don't quite get where your going with it being exclusive!
Sure your not trying to sound really cool? |
Methinks you don't actually grasp the meaning of 'mutually exclusive'...
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21st March 2007, 17:03
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Originally Posted by johnny_vts
Methinks you don't actually grasp the meaning of 'mutually exclusive'...
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Me thinks you should enlighten me
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21st March 2007, 17:04
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Originally Posted by saxodan
Dude, I made no attempt to insult you, I just proved my point with facts, now the fact that you have lowerd yourself to using insults and using up everyone one of the words in your "make me look smart on the internet" vocabulary..
I think its sad.. that you cant prove me wrong |
I'm not insulting you - just astounded that you can believe that smoking doesn't impact massively, in a detrimental to health manner, on people's lives.
People need to be educated as to the effects, perhaps then they won't believe it's 'cool' to smoke...
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21st March 2007, 17:15
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would love to get envolved but im going for a fag
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21st March 2007, 17:16
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Originally Posted by g14rc1
would love to get envolved but im going for a fag
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ahahaha funny man
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21st March 2007, 17:27
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I dont think the goverment have the right to ban smoking in pubs!
Its just wrong. Surely it is completly upto the discression of the landlord/owner of the pub.
whats it got to do with anyone else.
End of the day, its there pub, if they dont want people smoking let them decide.
Worst of all say the landlord is in there own pub, now theyve got to go upstairs or outside for a fag, fucking rediculous
Free country indeed!
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21st March 2007, 17:33
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i don't mind people around me smoking, but i do think that they should respect others who do mind people smoking around them, at the end of the day if you smoke in an enclosed space, your still polluting the air being breathed in by non smokers! Should deffo be banned in places where food is served too!!
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21st March 2007, 17:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by argylefan1985
I dont think the goverment have the right to ban smoking in pubs!
Its just wrong. Surely it is completly upto the discression of the landlord/owner of the pub.
whats it got to do with anyone else.
End of the day, its there pub, if they dont want people smoking let them decide.
Worst of all say the landlord is in there own pub, now theyve got to go upstairs or outside for a fag, fucking rediculous
Free country indeed!
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In my pub you i can provide you with guns to shoot yourselves and hell, if you feel like it, shoot the people who dont want to get involved.
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