Rally Designs Coilover kits? - Page 2 - Saxperience

Alanapone^p · 16th January 2013, 21:02

Ahh, I see.

The springs would compress too much and smack together (coilbound?)

Right so that ideas bust then.

AlexB^p · 16th January 2013, 21:33

very correct man

the coils become bound on each other basically becoming a solid tube resulting in shit handeling shit ride and a bang similar to that of raceland coilovers...

i bet with a few mods you could nock up a way to use those mounts on a stock spring
but really there is very little need for them on such a low rate

Alanapone^p · 16th January 2013, 21:38

I've been looking at them and I think I could get them to work with some tweeking. Their's not much need, I agree but, I just wanna! hahaha.

Looks like i'm going to need to get on the lookout for some Grp N's or Pugsport dampers then!?

AlexB^p · 16th January 2013, 21:46

good luck with pugsports popping up tbh

i rekon a little welding on the oe top spring pan if you really wanted too lol

remove the bearing and make a shallower bell that you weld on to the spring pan

Alanapone^p · 16th January 2013, 21:48

I think I've figured an even easier way than that mate.

I'll text you some pics when I figure it out a bit better.

AlexB^p · 16th January 2013, 22:09

ok man
i can think of a very easy way to assemble it
but the top of the upper bell ends up level with the shell in the standard topmounts
so anywhere down from there raises the car hence the thickness of the topmount and the top hat is what youll lift the car straight assembly like that

Alanapone^p · 20th January 2013, 17:01

WELL..... Turns out these dampers are Grp. N's.

What poundage springs should I get and what length? Do i need helpers or just get the correct length spring?

AlexB^p · 20th January 2013, 17:17

225lb 7" mains
40lb 4" helpers

Alanapone^p · 20th January 2013, 20:16

Cheers dude.

AlexB^p · 20th January 2013, 20:42

youll also need a center pan to go between the springs to keep then seated

Alanapone^p · 20th January 2013, 21:03

Yeah, just need to find some helpers. R/D do the centre plates as well so most of it will come from them I reckon.

Will be good to get something to save for and have a bash at.

AlexB^p · 20th January 2013, 21:21

contact faulkner for helpers man
best bet

Alanapone^p · 20th January 2013, 21:33

Just seen some Gaz helpers on ebay from some shop. £30 a pair for 3" 40lb.

Also seen that Tweeks do the faulkner main springs too. cor... I could spend a few quid if i'm not careful lol.

Just going to get the stuff from R/D and find some helpers when I'm ready to get them all.

I'm just looking at the minute as i have a few other bits to buy first

After the fronts rebuilt of course!

AzzAW93 · 20th January 2013, 21:35

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Originally Posted by AlexB

contact faulkner for helpers man
best bet

yoo alex me again

its linked to this thread so ill say it in here. with my struts now built up with the helpers its fixed all my original niggles but caused another.
my issue now is that when coil bound my spring to helper seat hits the top spring pan before the helper goes coil bound.
now obviosly this could be avoided by running the helpers on the bottom but the helper spring locator pan wont pass the brass strut retaining nut.
is this a major problem?

Alanapone^p · 20th January 2013, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzzAW93

yoo alex me again

its linked to this thread so ill say it in here. with my struts now built up with the helpers its fixed all my original niggles but caused another.
my issue now is that when coil bound my spring to helper seat hits the top spring pan before the helper goes coil bound.
now obviosly this could be avoided by running the helpers on the bottom but the helper spring locator pan wont pass the brass strut retaining nut.
is this a major problem?

Could you not machine down the part that is fouling enough so it clear the coilbound spring etc but leaving enough to keep the spring in place?

AlexB^p · 20th January 2013, 21:47

the options here are 2
skim both pans to clear each other
or go for a slightly heavier helper (thicker coils) or taller (more coils) so when its coilbound they dont

im certain we ran a 40lb 4in and were fine
if you do shorten the pans do both evenly and as little as you need so they only just clear you want as much as possible to keep the spring located

AzzAW93 · 20th January 2013, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alanapone

Could you not machine down the part that is fouling enough so it clear the coilbound spring etc but leaving enough to keep the spring in place?

its very tight and both offending parties are pretty slim as they are so wont be able to take enough off

which means as it is with the car on the floor the top spring pan and helper spring locater will be butted together.

Alanapone^p · 20th January 2013, 21:52

Longer helper springs are probably the only option then i guess?

What length and poundage do you currently have?

AlexB^p · 20th January 2013, 21:53

so a heavier helper really then is the way to go
must be something changed slightly in the 2 years since i last built a set
try a 60lb 4"

it shouldnt massively effect the handeling unless you have no arb on the front

AzzAW93 · 20th January 2013, 21:57

ok ill see if tweeks will swap as there brand new. i was advised to get 4" 4lb springs so they only locate while the cars off the floor and when the cars on the floor there coil bound but obviously somethings abit queer.
ill have another look at seeing if i can get the helpers to sit at the bottom but i dont think they will/can