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Old 9th November 2009, 17:33   #21
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Anybody can help me ?

Cituning or Dp-engineering ??
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Old 10th November 2009, 00:55   #23
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Old 10th November 2009, 09:09   #24
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can get mf2 from gmc (bit expensive last time i checked) or ebay brand new fro 219 iirc?
or second hand as and when they pop up(on ebay) for bout 100-130, but youll need a sigcon 2 or 3 for this type of set up.. its known as a signal modifier and this is what helps the standard ecu to understand the boost to try and adjust the fueling more suitably, hope im not confusing you here as this slighly contradicts what ive already said but its trying to explain the jist of what the mf2 set up is..... ive got a sigcon 3 for sale if your interested or saxo_89 has got the full set up for sale if you wanna pm him. standard injectors are fine in the car and the same for the fifth as this is all youll need at actuator pressure on a t25.
ive got everything i now need..... well i thought i did, why would i need the sigcon if the MF2 goes to the ECU/Diagnostic port

can someone please explain in as much detail as poss what the sigcon does and is for

also where can i get a new sigcon 3 from is it is 100% needed?

thanks in advance guys.

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Old 11th November 2009, 11:13   #25
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Citro...item518c07f5d2

basic turbo kit from the states reasonable price get thegt28rs mate much better turbo or the gt2871r
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that kit is no good all of that stuff you could get cheaper order as seperates over here and the turbo is well not great t3/t4 yeah spool at 5k type job
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theres also some real shite in there thats of no use, like the fake braided hose covers
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thought id resurrect this as its been long forgotten and the site has now reached a point where theres at least a thread a day about turbo conversions or ebay baragins, put simpley there is alot of shit floating around on ebay atm and for the last few months from the blackpool area, its all thrown together toss in scrap cars being passed on for a profit, there are a few names but as it seems ebay is now wise and is barring all users, BEWARE OF THESE!! if the seller has no feedback do not even think about buying it, unless it looks to be of decent quality and "show like parts" please ask before bidding as numerous ppl are being ripped of for little but scrapyard junk!!

while im here i may aswell post up some more helpfull information:

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this is a mocal 13 row oil cooler kit, IMO a must for any boosted engine whether it be budget build or big power, this should be suitable for all applications up to around 160-180bhp track use and 200bhp fast road use, other wise youll need a bigger cooler, this kit does NOT have a thermostat (although you can get kits with them) but i do have a stat for it, just not pictured. you do NEED a stat as you only want the oil cooled when its hot enough, over cooled oil is worse then undercooler and we all know what can happen when your engine over heats!! please note the braided lines in the pic are not part of the kit they are brake lines, can pick a kit like this up from various places inc ebay for around £120, you can find them more or less expensive but this is an ok price.



this is a 2.25" or 57mm stainless steel boost pipe kit, the kit is universal and you tailor it to you needs, you can get saxo/106/ specific kits with specific pipe from custom fabricators and the likes of gmc, cituning, dp engineering and many other places. when choosing the size of your kit you have think of many things before just purchasing a size, the inlet size of your throttle body, the size and spool rate of your turbo, you charge cooler ports and so on, i chose this as my intercooler ports are the same size, as is the inlet on my vtr throttle body, im yet to chose a turbo but as its a smaller engine this size should be adequate and being as though the inet and i/c are the same size the only point realistically i may need to fit a pipe reducer/size stepper is at the compressor side of the turbo, you dont want sizes stepped all over the place as it affects the flow/boost power and spool up of the turbo aswell as creating bad turbulence in the sytem. depending on size of pipe, type of material and whether its universal or custom you can expect to pay anywhere from £40 to 300+ i got this from the bay for £67 on auction iirc.



this is a cituning/miltek manifold i bought off a sax-p member for my build but have now sold it on to gixxa these are over £200 new (cant remeber the exact price) and are very good mani's can cope with up to 300bhp iirc? can buy them as part of the cituning turbo kit or by themselves (downpipes can also be purchased) and they take the t25/28 and gt17 types turbo's(also some others) there are many diff mani's you can buy or like all things have one custom made, specialists for customs are the likes of dp engineering and bogg brothers, free flow and equal length being the best but you decide by cost and expected power which to use, however they can cost quite a bit. if going the budget build you can have your standard engines manifold adapted to take which ever turbo you use, but beware of the turbo as many have to sit flat to stop the oil pooling in the bottom of the turbo charger and causing it to fail, the oil must flow nicely back out into your sump (this is a prob with any of the ebay specials!) if your competant with a welder or know someone who is i see no reason that a mani and downpipe can be made yourself after youve bought the turbo you need to use and correctly mapped out where it needs to sit etc. if making your own make sure you use a common turbo to model it round or your custom jobby may become pretty much a paper weight if your turbo fails!!



for all those unsure this is a sigcon/sigcom 3, this is whats mentioned on the previous page that runs with the mf2 and extra injector set up, it has no cover on the front as it didnt when i bought it, wont explain too much on this as its onthe previous page with its basic explanation, with this model you can also run water injection with the aid of a sigcon/sigcom 2.

also in that pic is an auto gauges boost gauge which measures in psi, its always a good idea to buy decnt gauges no matter which set up you decide to run as it lets you know what the engine is doing at any point while driving, even if you go budget build im sure youd rather save you engine then burst it if say your temp goes through the roof due to a burst rad/water pipe or a leaking sump gasket/turbo oil feed or return or what ever the prob may be, so IMO dont cheap out as its your engine!!

other then this last pic thts all for now folks as this has taken me quite abit of time and being saturday its now time to crack that bottle of vodka open hope this comes in handy to some ppl and this lil pic is a funky way of mounting said gauges, i had this a while back and sold but would like a new one to go with my flocked dash, if anyone knows where to get these please post a link as ive searched like fuck and cant seem to find one anywhere!! would be helpfull to me and others reading this thread if they like it!!
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hope this comes in handy to some ppl and this lil pic is a funky way of mounting said gauges, i had this a while back and sold but would like a new one to go with my flocked dash, if anyone knows where to get these please post a link as ive searched like fuck and cant seem to find one anywhere!! would be helpfull to me and others reading this thread if they like it!!
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The guage pod id no longer made (was Street Specials who went bust years ago) but they sometimes pop up on Ebay. Also I think there was a company who made copies which also come up from time to time.

However, www.audiosport.co.uk make a similar pod for 2 guages which clips into where the vent is. Its not quite as nice as the 3 hole one but does teh job fine. I got one, but chopped it about a bit and smoothed it into the centre console to neaten it up a bit.
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cheers lads, and cheers andy, thats quite a good link youve posted, looks like the 2 gauge will be the best option by the sounds of things, that one i had i just shot a load of white gloss on it to see where it needed finishing, as it needed a GOOD tidy up. then flickered going boost and sold it be alot less to work to fit that double pod though and least itl be a guaranteed fit to the dash.
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this is a good little read should be a sticky
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bump this up I guess since people are asking yet again

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i may tag in a guide to fitting forged pistons to a vtr lump, with lots of pics if ppl are interested?, if so give thaks to this post(so i can gauge interest) im only going to do it if alot will be interested... as it will take a pretty chunk of my time putting the guide together.
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bump as many people not bothering to search again
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Hi everyone is it 100% necessary to have standalone ecu for turbo build or can the standard ecu be remapped to work well with turbo applications.
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certain places can map the standarnd ecu..

Wayne @ chipwizards up north
Pug1off down south..

Best bet is to contact them regarding it
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