bike bodies - Saxperience

jsdvtr · 11th August 2008, 10:45

whats peoples opinions off bike bodies? how are they set up and what would need doing for them.

Dizzy · 13th August 2008, 11:54

A set of say, 636 ITB's would give power gains just from fitting - the same practice putting them on a corsa gsi takes them from standard power to around 135bhp, you will need the wiring modified and a mounting plate fabricating and its worth checking to see if the bike injectors work with the same power feed your current ones do.

Of course to get the best from them you will need a remap, and more than likely a set of custom trumpets and an airbox to work properly with head work and a cam to suite the application too. id expect good gains them but your probs looking at well into the 4 figure mark for it to work properly. Would probably be more cost effective to buy a 306 gti or civic vti.

Predator_R32^p · 13th August 2008, 11:57

dont really rate them much rather spend the money on throttle bodies

Dizzy · 13th August 2008, 12:27

Yeah but whats a set of ITG's cost? £2000? then you have management, mapping etc on top and if your spending 2k on ITB's then you want to make the most of them so you will want a forged, lightened and balaced bottom end with proper cams and headwork to match so your looking at what 5k and it will still only be about 200bhp. may as well buy a mk4 astra gsi, corsa let, sapphire cosworth, pulsar etc for that money.

Ryan^p · 13th August 2008, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Dizzy

may as well buy a mk4 astra gsi, corsa let, sapphire cosworth, pulsar etc for that money.

and whats the fun in that?

people do it because they want to, they like a certain car, if they wanted a Gashtra or some jap crap they would go and buy some, people build hi spec TU engines because they love the cars

and a set of kms DTH proper TBs are no where near 2k

TDID · 13th August 2008, 12:35

Buy bodies, buy dizzy, ditch ecu, get carbs set up properly. Can probably be done for £500 odd.

There's a couple of 106s on 106 owners club that are on bike bodies, well worth a look if you're considering it and makes quite interesting reading.

Ryan^p · 13th August 2008, 12:42

carbs are a huge backwards step from injection.

MaRiO89 · 13th August 2008, 12:49

I agree with Ryan..Carbs are un-reliable..

williamsvts · 13th August 2008, 12:49

can still gain power over a standard inlet though.

williamsvts · 13th August 2008, 12:50

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Originally Posted by MaRiO89

I agree with Ryan..Carbs are un-reliable..

bike carbs are alot more reliable than weber style car carbs.

Ryan^p · 13th August 2008, 12:51

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

can still gain power over a standard inlet though.

run very differened depending on weather at times, often the inlet manifold design inst great, bit of an arse to get through mot etc....

TDID · 13th August 2008, 12:51

Carbs are good when set up correctly, as far as bang for your buck goes the bike carb route is pretty good, expect a massive reduction in mpg though.

I looked into it but a breathed on and lightly cammed vts will be more effective, easier to keep in tune, easier to get through emissions and still have plenty of scope for development.

pjm300 · 13th August 2008, 12:55

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Originally Posted by TDID

Carbs are good when set up correctly, as far as bang for your buck goes the bike carb route is pretty good, expect a massive reduction in mpg though.

I looked into it but a breathed on and lightly cammed vts will be more effective, easier to keep in tune, easier to get through emissions and still have plenty of scope for development.

pah, you're gonna t/b it you little munchkin

TDID · 13th August 2008, 12:58

If yours didn't sound so spaffworthy I wouldn't have these dilemmas

As you know, sort chassis side first, cage the bitch up and then add a sprinkling of powah

708s first, then maybe bodies, then get 50cc pop pop for daily hack. 120 mpg ftw lolz

pjm300 · 13th August 2008, 13:01

get a kak, they're the height of efficiency

i wouldnt bother with 708's if i were to do it again - go straight to something better

Ryan^p · 13th August 2008, 13:05

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Originally Posted by TDID

Carbs are good when set up correctly, as far as bang for your buck goes the bike carb route is pretty good, expect a massive reduction in mpg though.

I looked into it but a breathed on and lightly cammed vts will be more effective, easier to keep in tune, easier to get through emissions and still have plenty of scope for development.

except the fact that they are alot less efficient even when set up compaired to a ECU controlled ITB set up. Hot days can be a complete arse etc....

Dizzy · 13th August 2008, 13:29

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Originally Posted by Ryan

and whats the fun in that?

people do it because they want to, they like a certain car, if they wanted a Gashtra or some jap crap they would go and buy some, people build hi spec TU engines because they love the cars

and a set of kms DTH proper TBs are no where near 2k

chances are though someone who drives a saxo vts doesent have the money to spend on a high spec race engine or cant afford to buy something like what i mentioned. Fair enough if your doing it for a weekend track car when your pulling in big wages but someone piling all that into their daily driver earning only 15k a year would really be breaking the bank.

And from the cost effective side of it, you spend 6k on an astra gsi turbo - keep it for a year and decide to sell it on you will loose about £500. sepnd 6k doing up a saxo and your going to get 2-3k max bk for it and it will struggle to sell. or you could buy a 2.1 zvh ERST with over 300bhp for that sort of money and it will only go up in value.

Peoples judgement is blinded by 'what they like' and often what people want isnt what they need. if i had 6k to play with id be looking at everything within that price range and having a lot of test drives before i decided where to spend it.

Reading into this guys post hes just after some cheap power and advice, bike bodies are ok but if you want cheap gains bike carbs are the best route to take.

Yes they are less efficient but they are far more cost effective, and temperature changes dont affect them - My 99 R1 runs fine in the middle of winter or the height of summer.

Predator_R32^p · 13th August 2008, 13:32

personal opinion at the end of the day mate

people choose saxos because there a great little car and handle well when set up crrectly

tbh a cammed saxo vts could torture most bigger cars on trac, well from what ive seen from a few track days ive been to

craigy_87 · 13th August 2008, 13:45

i dont get the people are blinding by what they want rather than what they need??? ya dont really need anything an wouldnt it be better to get what you want

Dizzy · 13th August 2008, 15:43

im not arguing the fact thart saxos are good for what they are, they have the same chassis as a 106 gti iirc and they handle ok but the saxos seem a lot cheaper - hence why i joined up as im looking at getting a vts so im not bashing them.

Not sure about a cammed VTS doing bigger cars round a track though - i live 20 mins from cadwell park and proper drivers in fast cars rarely get overtaken by anything lesser.

Like you say its personal opinion, but i wish i had uidance when i passed my test else id of saved myself a shit load of money before now.