BE4 conversion

[tweeqd]

for anyone wanting to convert to BE4 and not wanting to pay way too much money for a kit that can be bought from citroen, here are the parts you need

Clutch cable
Citroen part number 2150CE

Cable bracket to convert hydraulic to cable
Citroen part number 2151 90

clutch fork lever
Citroen part number 2117.58



they look like this


for the gear linkage, a standard lever from a BE 1 or 3 box
it looks like this


it needs heating up and bending to look like this


this fits on to the BE4 so it bends down the back of the box

for the gear linkage rods i used saxo ones but cut and welded to top one to fit and shortened the lower one (just measure the space between to blls and make the rods to suite) ill try and measure mine when i take the box out next week

you can use picasso shafts, the N/S needs to be cut and lenghtened by 10mm and the O/S needs cutting and shortening by 20mm(ill double check that as it was a few years ago i had it done


for hubs ues standard BE ones as fitted to 205, 306, 405, 406, ZX, BX, Xantia, Xsara (make sure you get the hubs form a BE fitted car ie 1.8 or bigger engine)

tyring to remember the measurements but iirc the BE hub is 46mm and the saxo bearing is 35mm so any macheine shop can turn them down to fit in the saxo bearing



this way keeps the bigger CV's so less chance of breaking them and you can keep ABS or Traction control by adding Sensor brackets

difference in MA to BE shafts


ABS sensor fitted


mounts can be bought from Pug sport france or made from scratch
i made this lower mount from 10mm plate steel and it uses a 205/306 Grp N lower mount


in a saxo/106 you can buy the gearbox support mount but noone makes them for an AX so i made it from scratch




hope it hepls

[ryanmt]

so the oem clutch leaver etc is the same as what atspeed sell?

[adamskiTNR]

That's a good one for the stickies

[Sophia_Bush]

good stuff

[Ryanp]

will put this into the FAQ when i get a chance.

Thanks martin.

[blackie_2k5]

very handy mate! been looking into this

[welshpug]

top post

any chance you could measure the compressed lengths of the shafts?


many thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge

[evensteven]

Hi Martin, Its Steve (saxosteve from the other forum)

The clutch cable you have quoted, is that one of the 'auto adjusting' ones that have the wanky ratcheting mechanism?

Also instead of machining hubs down to 35mm, machine to 37mm and use later model saxo/106 wheel bearing. As the slight taper on the end of the BE shaft fowls on the smaller bearing if you use the correct thickness shim between.

306 1.8 16v shaft on nearside is a direct fit.

[tweeqd]

im useing ax gti bearings with my own shims and they dont rub
is the 306 shaft as thick as the picasso one and does it have the same abs ring

[axsaxoman]

I still have some quiafe atb,s for the be box
£440+vat--not many left now

[evensteven]

Yes Martin the 306 shaft is the same tubular construction as picasso item and has the same ABS ring.

I suspect the shims you are using may be marginally thicker to prevent any fowling occuring. I then daren't say that the same length of shaft would be ok on your setup thatn mine as your hubs and outer CV's could be slightly different distance away.

You havent answered my question about Cable either Martain!?!

[welshpug]

the thickness of spacer has no bearing at all on how long the shafts need to be as the position of the bearing does not change at all.

[yr51ocw]

but the position of the shaft relative to the drive flange will change.

[welshpug]

all the spacer does is move the flange further out through the bearing, the CV clamps against the inner face of the bearing...

unless you use longer wishbones it'll be the same length shafts.

[tweeqd]

yes steve it is the self adjusting cable for now untill i sort out a shorter non adjusting one

i cant remember the thickness of the shims i as did this conversion about 3 years ago, way before the atspeed kits were about

[evensteven]

The correct Citroen part number for the Cable operated clutch fork is:

2117.58

The numbers are incorrect on the citroen part system, so when you order what you think is the cable arm (says 2117.66 which is incorrect) you end up with a hydraulicly operated arm.

Hope this helps people in future.

Steve

[evensteven]

Couple pics of my Billet Alloy lower mount.

Couples up with an M12 rose jointed torque link, approx 145mm centre to centre.







Cost- £0

[e8_pqck]

Originally Posted by evensteven

Couple pics of my Billet Alloy lower mount.

Couples up with an M12 rose jointed torque link, approx 145mm centre to centre.







Cost- £0

you missed out: tooling, material, machine, training, coolant, leccy, measuring devices, own time, etc...

nice work though!!

[e8_pqck]

Originally Posted by tweeqd

What wishbones are these?

VT wishbones were wider than the ones on my 1.1 AX forte. This may alter the driveshaft length.

[Dave_P]

They look like poverty spec ones.