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23rd July 2014, 17:38
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Can you say if its plug and play or not? ;-)
Curious to know if it needs a custom loom.
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I can say it's plug and play on an omex 
Nah - with the right connector spliced to the coilpack wiring, you could wire this into standard wiring for sure (or any other ecu loom). Of course, it would need mapping to suit.
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23rd July 2014, 18:14
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cheers for the input/links lads..ross im still adimant those are vag family coils lol
but yeah the main reason i wanna convert is the fact the 16v COP is shit and the cit pug coils dont seem to like to run too high of a dwell
the bay gets HOT on that xsi being so cramped and the COP was fucking burning to touch so its not gonna last very long like that
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25th July 2014, 07:13
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I'm guessing this is a 1.6 ford zetec lead set up from a fiesta everyone's talking about? And it can be used on our 1.6 16v's?
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25th July 2014, 08:15
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Originally Posted by Dave gti
I'm guessing this is a 1.6 ford zetec lead set up from a fiesta everyone's talking about? And it can be used on our 1.6 16v's?
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Yes, and yes (with some mods). Pointless on a standard car though. Really only "needed" for boosted cars.
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25th July 2014, 09:05
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Pretty much most petrol ford coils can be used mate 
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25th July 2014, 09:13
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You can just use an 8v saxo coil and leads can't you?
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25th July 2014, 09:16
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You can yeah but on reading up the ford ones seem to give a better spark and they're a lot easier to get hold of these days then Saxo coils
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25th July 2014, 09:21
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I heard the saxo ones were the tits
Also I may have one.
You can't have it x
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27th July 2014, 11:36
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But is it not worth it? Atspeed do a pretty appealing kit?
A bit of 16v fun 😜
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28th July 2014, 11:14
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Originally Posted by Dave gti
But is it not worth it? Atspeed do a pretty appealing kit?
A bit of 16v fun 😜
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By appealing do you mean "expensive"?
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28th July 2014, 13:55
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L-plater
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Looks like a good solution as replacement coils are a hell of a lot cheaper to replace than the rail coil
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28th July 2014, 14:06
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Looks like a good solution as replacement coils are a hell of a lot cheaper to replace than the rail coil |
Erm... No its not. lol
Standard vts coilpack is £35 brand new.
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29th July 2014, 08:21
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never found the need to use anything but std --you boys seem to have money to burn for no visible increase in peformance
If head is getting so hot its frying the std coil pack --then its cooling you need to be looking at .
If you are running3 bar of boost them maybe you need a bigger spark -
-technically on paper it should be better -
-but in real world its probably about as useful as indvidual cylinder fuelling and spark advance -
-lots of ecu,s can do it --but customer never wants to pay for the timeto set it up to see a microscopic increase in power
first thing if you want to make spark better --fit a NEW wiring loom as std one must be at least 12years and they do wear and get increased resistances in them over time --also could be where your problem is in the first place --very hard to find if not a consistant problem
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Last edited by axsaxoman; 29th July 2014 at 08:25.
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29th July 2014, 08:42
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I think it's more the dwell time that kills them John rather than engine heat. And "most" people doing this conversion would be doing it (hopefully!) because the standard coilpack can't cope with the dwell requirements of the high rpm/high boost situation. Whereas the ford coilpack charges faster, needs less dwell, and copes better.
For sure changing it on anything other than v high power / high boost is pointless - as I said earlier. I had a situation 5 odd years ago when the spark was getting blown out on the standard coilpack but was perfect on the MSD coilpack*.
*Until the MSD coilpack died. What a fucking waste of money that was - ford is 1/5th the price and identical in performance. you're paying an extra £80 for a fucking red paint job and a sticker. I'm still pissed at myself for falling for that years ago!
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29th July 2014, 13:45
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L-plater
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Originally Posted by Ross
Erm... No its not. lol
Standard vts coilpack is £35 brand new.
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Dread to think what make your buying!
The rail coils for anything half decent are £70 odd....
I am talking Mk1 VTS.
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29th July 2014, 13:51
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Originally Posted by edbar1
Dread to think what make your buying!
The rail coils for anything half decent are £70 odd....
I am talking Mk1 VTS.
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By half decent you mean "same supplier, different sticker"?
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29th July 2014, 14:10
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L-plater
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No I mean a cheap Chinese coil versus a decent usually European brand and factory...
Returns rate on cheap coils is usually very high
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22nd August 2014, 09:21
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Also very intrested in that constellation setup
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7th September 2014, 22:36
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How and where is the best way of fitting/mounting the coil please?
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9th September 2014, 18:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross
I think it's more the dwell time that kills them John rather than engine heat. And "most" people doing this conversion would be doing it (hopefully!) because the standard coilpack can't cope with the dwell requirements of the high rpm/high boost situation. Whereas the ford coilpack charges faster, needs less dwell, and copes better.
For sure changing it on anything other than v high power / high boost is pointless - as I said earlier. I had a situation 5 odd years ago when the spark was getting blown out on the standard coilpack but was perfect on the MSD coilpack*.
*Until the MSD coilpack died. What a fucking waste of money that was - ford is 1/5th the price and identical in performance. you're paying an extra £80 for a fucking red paint job and a sticker. I'm still pissed at myself for falling for that years ago!
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Well that answers one question for me,in that there was an msd coilpack on ebay for £150.00 & I wondered if it was any good. 
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