AX 1.5D fails lot of white smoke - Saxperience

Blue_Satan · 23rd September 2014, 19:53

Hello people. I am new to the forum, I'm from Portugal and I hope to learn a lot here.

I have an AX 1.5D and for a few months, the car seemed to work 3 cylinders and made white smoke badly burned diesel, but when warmed, was good.
Today started getting worse and I took the timing belt and advanced fuel injection pump. Well the car is much worse, the car shuts off if not accelerate, and fails more and makes 10 times more smoke!!
I bought a bosch pump, and the car remained the same. I bought injector bosch, and the car is equal ...The engine seems to not be in the timing, but the flywheel, the pump and Camshaft are properly locked in their spots!
Think that something went wrong and have some warped valve? Do you think that the head gasket between cylinders burned by coincidence?

Please someone helpme... sorry for my bad translate...

stevo67 · 23rd September 2014, 20:24

Head gasket failure,the lack of compression & white smoke is an indicator.

Blue_Satan · 23rd September 2014, 20:35

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Originally Posted by stevo67

Head gasket failure,the lack of compression & white smoke is an indicator.

Im afraid of taking he head out and see that valves and gasket ok...

Do you think that the gasket burned is coincidence?

stevo67 · 23rd September 2014, 20:45

Doesn't automatically mean that the valves are damaged,the head gasket can fail for a number of reasons.You won't know until you've taken the head off.

welshpug · 23rd September 2014, 20:46

shot glowplug.

stevo67 · 23rd September 2014, 21:04

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Originally Posted by welshpug

shot glowplug.

Yes does happen,but wouldn't account for the white smoke.

Blue_Satan · 23rd September 2014, 21:09

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Originally Posted by welshpug

shot glowplug.

Sorry, didnt understand lol

stevo67 · 23rd September 2014, 21:11

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Originally Posted by Blue_Satan

Sorry, didnt understand lol

He means a faulty glow plug mate.

Blue_Satan · 23rd September 2014, 21:13

Welshpug, saing that the glowplugs are wrek?
The glowplugs only start the engine, so, its impossible... but theyre ok, i have tested them too

Blue_Satan · 23rd September 2014, 21:28

Im uploading a video on youtube for you guys see the thing... i was alone so couldnt make a fine video...

Blue_Satan · 23rd September 2014, 21:51

http://youtu.be/_O4be8ot9f8

Blue_Satan · 23rd September 2014, 22:05

In short , disassemble the head or not ? What should I do ? 'm Already two weeks without a car and I'm in despair ... if you guys advise me to change gasket , tomorrow afternoon already dismount .
Besides the gasket , I'll change the valves seals and rotate the valves . Suggest anything else to do now?

stevo67 · 24th September 2014, 08:15

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Originally Posted by Blue_Satan

In short , disassemble the head or not ? What should I do ? 'm Already two weeks without a car and I'm in despair ... if you guys advise me to change gasket , tomorrow afternoon already dismount .
Besides the gasket , I'll change the valves seals and rotate the valves . Suggest anything else to do now?

Easiest solution would be to change the engine for a lower mileage one.

chinkostu · 24th September 2014, 08:24

does the smoke stink of unburnt fuel and sting? the fact it went when warm would point to some fuelling issues, HG would be prevalent regardless of engine temp.

are you sure you retimed it properly?

ghaz · 24th September 2014, 10:33

Could have jumped a tooth or 2 on the cambelt putting the timing out, but that said the problem would also be there once warm.

Can you check its timed correctly?

Blue_Satan · 24th September 2014, 19:52

Ooh my god, how stupid i am.... the timing wasnt ok... i had to loosen the 3 screws in the pump and camshaft pulleys, tension, and then, tighten.

I think that the real problem (when it started do fail months ago) was a delay in the injection pump.

Now that the timing is ok, i hear tic tic tic and when i acelerate increases the noise.. driving in the street, at low rpm it seems ok to me, but when he should have the full power he simply does the tic tic noise and dont get power up...
It dont look like the injectors are mice,
Do you guys think possible the tic tic noise made from valves?

MartinObviously · 24th September 2014, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Blue_Satan

Ooh my god, how stupid i am.... the timing wasnt ok... i had to loosen the 3 screws in the pump and camshaft pulleys, tension, and then, tighten.

I think that the real problem (when it started do fail months ago) was a delay in the injection pump.

Now that the timing is ok, i hear tic tic tic and when i acelerate increases the noise.. driving in the street, at low rpm it seems ok to me, but when he should have the full power he simply does the tic tic noise and dont get power up...
It dont look like the injectors are mice,
Do you guys think possible the tic tic noise made from valves?

Yes the tic tic noise could be valves.

These engines are very noisy though. the valvetrain can wear and the clearances become too large so the valves do not open enough.

It is possible you have bent a valve. I am not 100% sure though.

Blue_Satan · 25th September 2014, 19:03

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Originally Posted by MartinObviously

Yes the tic tic noise could be valves.

These engines are very noisy though. the valvetrain can wear and the clearances become too large so the valves do not open enough.

It is possible you have bent a valve. I am not 100% sure though.

So... you dont think possible the (thing between the camshat and valve(i dont know the name in english=p)).
Tomorrow i want to solve the problem, so if i have to take out the head, let it be tomorrow xD

MartinObviously · 25th September 2014, 19:08

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Originally Posted by Blue_Satan

So... you dont think possible the (thing between the camshat and valve(i dont know the name in english=p)).
Tomorrow i want to solve the problem, so if i have to take out the head, let it be tomorrow xD

Buckets and shims?

I think you need to take the head off.

Would be a shame if it was a problem with the pump though, lol

Blue_Satan · 29th September 2014, 21:15

Martin, at this pont ill say anything...
Well, i opened the head and i didnt saw anything concrete...
The pistons have the valves marks =SS but at my last trie to timing, im shure that they werent touching the pistons, so, why steel the tic tic noise?
The admission valve of the first cylinder has lot of backlash,so i will put 8 new valve guides, valve seals and rotate them, at least adjust them... there wasnt no bend valves eheh lucky xD
As that valve was not sealing the compression i think that it was the cause of the primary problem (failing a cylinder) but the tic tic tic noise.... hmmmm....

Lets hope for the best.. in to days i will receive tje head from the turner...