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4th June 2010, 21:41
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Poll: Illegal Music Downloading
Does anyone on here do it? I used to use Limewire but just use iTunes now.
Also what does everyone make of the whole thing to cut people off who download illegally?
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4th June 2010, 22:05
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It's bollocks. Unprovable unless they seize your hard drive, for that they'd need a court order. Which is possible. However, you can claim someone leeched your wireless.
Also, when we had a letter from a company called 'Daveport Lyons' it was addressed to my mum, the person who the broadband is in the name of. However, if it was me that did it ( ) ( it being a game by Atari), it isn't justice to bring criminal proceedings against someone who isn't the perpetrator. I don't care what they say, just because the broadband is in your name, doesn't make you accountable.
Also, I think it is very unlikely they will go after people who download individual tracks, albums (and often) - more likely. Simply because of volume. I'm not saying it wouldn't be difficult to send cease and desist letters to 50,000 people with an out of court settlement fee of say £500 (which ours was). But I don't think they could push through all those cases. also because of the defences highlighted above.
As for cutting people off, I do believe they'll do that..
However.. go buy a 'wireless dongle' from one of the mobile phone companies... That's the way the internet will go in 20 years I reckon anyway.
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4th June 2010, 22:15
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some ISPs now have packet comparison...
this obviously compares what your downloading (the data itself) against known copyright data and then approved locations for this data to come from...
obviously they cant monitor everyone and everything... so make the most of it
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4th June 2010, 22:48
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I don't but do know a few people who have had letters from there ISP but that's about it. Including my work when some one managed to log on to our Wifi. If you do get letters from your ISP you can always just change them. But then saying that with a bit of know how you can get around any ISP tracking.
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4th June 2010, 23:53
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Never had a letter :-) yay go me
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5th June 2010, 00:04
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Just got some music for free tonight
Basically found the song I wanted on youtube in the best quality I could find, then went onto this website and downloaded it from there. It's only 128kbs but it's free Considering Limewire or Mininova though. Could get a lot of stuff at 328kbs or something like that on there.
The website is http://www.vidtomp3.com/
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5th June 2010, 00:34
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I plan to keep using piratebay, limewire etc until I get a warning letter, then stop
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5th June 2010, 01:23
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Its not so much the downloaders... but the uploaders.
There the sharers of the illegal files.
Meh.
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5th June 2010, 01:35
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Originally Posted by CraigLovelock
Its not so much the downloaders... but the uploaders.
There the sharers of the illegal files.
Meh.
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+1 on this.
I generally use Pirate bay to download the occasional album or film and then just purchase single tracks off of iTunes
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5th June 2010, 02:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bound
It's bollocks. Unprovable unless they seize your hard drive, for that they'd need a court order. Which is possible. However, you can claim someone leeched your wireless.
Also, when we had a letter from a company called 'Daveport Lyons' it was addressed to my mum, the person who the broadband is in the name of. However, if it was me that did it () (it being a game by Atari), it isn't justice to bring criminal proceedings against someone who isn't the perpetrator. I don't care what they say, just because the broadband is in your name, doesn't make you accountable.
Also, I think it is very unlikely they will go after people who download individual tracks, albums (and often) - more likely. Simply because of volume. I'm not saying it wouldn't be difficult to send cease and desist letters to 50,000 people with an out of court settlement fee of say £500 (which ours was). But I don't think they could push through all those cases. also because of the defences highlighted above.
As for cutting people off, I do believe they'll do that..
However.. go buy a 'wireless dongle' from one of the mobile phone companies... That's the way the internet will go in 20 years I reckon anyway.
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We had a letter from them too, didnt pay either and also turns out the company they actually use to find our ip address etc is from a flat in london with 2 employees a man n a woman and theyre both immigrants
Just a scam really and bet theyve made thousands out of it.
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5th June 2010, 03:05
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Originally Posted by db_sax
We had a letter from them too, didnt pay either and also turns out the company they actually use to find our ip address etc is from a flat in london with 2 employees a man n a woman and theyre both immigrants
Just a scam really and bet theyve made thousands out of it.
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Lol, all that dirrrrtttyyy dubstep you download? .
Yeah, we just didn't pay, and sent recorded letters denying it, after about three letters they stopped corresponding. I wouldn't recommend ignoring them, but that's what I will do if it happens again.
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Originally Posted by CraigLovelock
Its not so much the downloaders... but the uploaders.
There the sharers of the illegal files.
Meh.
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Very true. I'm not sure on the specifics of the law, but uploading is the sharing part. You are infringing copyright by sharing (torrents, seeding etc), but downloading is different. What I would say is, although ISPs can track what you're doing. Downloading from a website such as megaupload, there are very, very, very slim chances that you will be caught from just a straight download.
As AXracing says - That wasn't his fault, but it will have his name/business on the letter, and him that will be 'accountable'. Which I think, is bullshit.
The example I always use is this, if your friend buys a film, and you go round there house and watch it, you haven't paid, you're getting it for free, but how isn't that copyrighted? - You haven't paid (now I do know that there is a disclaimer that says it's not for public showing) 'Home Use'. Well so's my copyrighted material. I'm not publically sharing it. So privately? What if I Bluetooth someone else a song on from my phone to theirs? Is that copyright?
Listening to music on YouTube, that certainly isn't copyright (well, if the publishers have uploaded it, obviously people do upload copyrighted material , and you'll notice a claim/no audio, a message like "Due to a copyright claim from Sony, the audio is this video has been cut". You are streaming the data, just not saving it, they can't tell if you have saved it, it's still the same data. I do this occasionally.
Then there's fair use. For example, a remix of a song (depending on circumstance) isn't copyrighted (well it can be, by the DJ, but the original artist with whose song has been remixed does not own the remix, despite it containing content from their song).
It's a minefield, and in a typical British/Well, generally governmental way, they will blanket ban it (it being copyright infringement, well, not ban as it's already banned , but close all avenues), rather than doing it probably. I don't know what the proper way is. But I don't think it will ever stop now, has come too far.
What irritates me is, companies can sue you for huge amounts of money for copyright infringement, yet someone on an assault charge may get a £50 fine for compensation to the victim and a warning. I know this is a different kettle of fish (civil and criminal), but assaulting someone is far, far worse, and deserves a much larger punishment than bloody copyright infringement. (I know 'worse' is subjective) but I think most people would agree with me. My survey however, remains incomplete, or even started.
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6th June 2010, 10:25
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I have a youtube converter. So turns videos into a MP3 file. Less chance of getting caught.
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6th June 2010, 12:17
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As you can download youtube now, you can get anything for free now! The legal boundaries are so loose these days, who knows whats right or wrong!
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7th June 2010, 11:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DynamoXreme
I have a youtube converter. So turns videos into a MP3 file. Less chance of getting caught.
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That's what I've done on a few songs this weekend, but the quality just isn't there on some songs. May go back to iTunes I think.
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7th June 2010, 12:03
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Yes + no.
Only download music now if I can't find it on Spotify.
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8th June 2010, 12:25
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peer block FTW.
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8th June 2010, 23:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TomBob
That's what I've done on a few songs this weekend, but the quality just isn't there on some songs. May go back to iTunes I think.
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http://www.video2mp3.net/ Try that link.
If you switch to convert to High Quality the sound quality is just as good as itunes
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9th June 2010, 02:01
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Poll: Illegal Music Downloading
I do not agree with it...
Ignore my eminem album leaked thread
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9th June 2010, 17:22
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Originally Posted by Dave89
http://www.video2mp3.net/ Try that link.
If you switch to convert to High Quality the sound quality is just as good as itunes
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+1, That's ace. Been using it for a while. Make sure you tick High Quality. Should default as that tbh .
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9th June 2010, 18:48
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Up and coming artists do need support which is mainly through people buying their records. If i like an artist that much i will support them by purchasing a song, but the majority of the music i listen to is mixed that many times there is about 15 people involved by the end so they are ripped!
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