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30th October 2007, 11:22
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5th is the same on the VTS and S1 boxes. You need a VTR or Diesel 5th.
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30th October 2007, 11:25
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Originally Posted by Gabbastard
5th is the same on the VTS and S1 boxes. You need a VTR or Diesel 5th.
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oh right, how come there is the big difference in top end then?
is it the final drive thats different then?
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30th October 2007, 12:08
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Originally Posted by jeeves_101
oh right, how come there is the big difference in top end then?
is it the final drive thats different then?
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yeah its the final drive it lowers the top end speed but gets you there quicker 
i'm running a group n rallye box in my rallye and gti engine (same as vts) it tops out @ 125mph on the limitter in 5th but pulls like mad and gets there quite quickly
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30th October 2007, 12:13
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Originally Posted by RICKYP-RPM
yeah its the final drive it lowers the top end speed but gets you there quicker
i'm running a group n rallye box in my rallye and gti engine (same as vts) it tops out @ 125mph on the limitter in 5th but pulls like mad and gets there quite quickly |
oh right cheers.
is that box similar to the S1 box?
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30th October 2007, 12:30
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TOAD what can you get out of yours mate? i usually sit at 80mph on the motorway what rpm are you at with the s1 box on mate?
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30th October 2007, 12:32
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I don't know if anyone will agree with me on this, but I have a feeling the ratios may be a tad different between the S1 and VTS stock box. The reason I think this, is because there seems to be a smaller rev drop when going from 3rd to 4th with the S1 than I remember with stock box.
The good thing with the S1 box is that it helps you keep the engine in its power band. As you can get through the gears quicker, you don't get so bogged down if you are a little low in the revs. For example, you can boot it from just under 4000 rpm in 2nd and it will spin the wheels, whereas before, it would bog down a bit.
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30th October 2007, 12:34
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Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts
TOAD what can you get out of yours mate? i usually sit at 80mph on the motorway what rpm are you at with the s1 box on mate?
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Hmm, I would have to check to be certain mate. I think 80 mph would around 4500 - 4700 rpm in 5th at a guess?
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30th October 2007, 12:35
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I just like the way you can boot it from 85 ish in 5th, and the pickup is awesome. 
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30th October 2007, 12:35
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Gear clusters are the same.
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30th October 2007, 12:36
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4,5 - 4,7 is really quite high for 80mph.
I think with my 1.1 box at 70 im at approx 3,3k.
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30th October 2007, 12:43
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The 1.1 box is just wrong... end of story.
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30th October 2007, 12:43
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Originally Posted by Gabbastard
Gear clusters are the same.
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Fair enough. I still wonder why the rev drop seems less though...
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30th October 2007, 12:46
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Originally Posted by Toad
The 1.1 box is just wrong... end of story.
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Fair point, its not as bad as what people say,
when i get some $ I'll change it back to an S box or ph1 Rallye box.
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30th October 2007, 13:16
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Originally Posted by Soulless
Fair point, its not as bad as what people say,
when i get some $ I'll change it back to an S box or ph1 Rallye box.
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what do you get out of your 1.1 top speed or all the way in 4th, still not sure if they sent me an s box or 1.1 
going to try get my blown vts box repaired, as got plenty spare boxes where can take the bell housings off and replace just need to see whats buggered internally 
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30th October 2007, 13:21
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the SaxoSportsClub link in your thread earlier tells you what you can get in each gear...
its v similar to the VTS box in speeds.
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30th October 2007, 20:43
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i cant believe the s1 box makes that much difference! that is amazing. your car is not on tbs is it toad?
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30th October 2007, 21:52
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no its not. 708s and BV head
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30th October 2007, 21:55
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I always thought that the 1.4 xsi gearbox had a pretty good set of ratios..
had a spreadsheet somewhere with them all plotted.
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30th October 2007, 21:57
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yeah it does. after s1 it is
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31st October 2007, 00:07
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4.29 FD with sport cluster (3.417,1.95,1.36 etc) Shares 0.85 5th with VTS etc. You can get replacement 5ths from VTR or diesel boxes at 0.767, and if youre REALLY jammy you might find a 0.693 diesel 5th.
Some 1.1 boxes have 4.29 final drives btw, but have smaller planetary gears.
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