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11th March 2009, 20:19
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Originally Posted by Steve_VTS
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hes said he doesnt.
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11th March 2009, 20:20
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Originally Posted by dj_russell
also what bhp did this craigs run on somone elses rr?
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iirc just over 140bhp. Dont quote me.
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11th March 2009, 20:20
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Originally Posted by Ryan
hes said he doesnt.
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hmmm 
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11th March 2009, 20:20
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Originally Posted by williamsvts
i would go there again, i had my cam timing tweeked there a couple year ago.
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Originally Posted by andywiddss1
didnt say i rate them mate just went with 106 owners on a rolling road day
think chip wizards rollers are true and bhp in leeds were yorkshire sec had rolling road day on sunday  |
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Originally Posted by williamsvts
i ran 153 at chipwizards and 150 at motorscope so they both seem to be accurate.
although, iirc there was about 10hp difference in whp between the 2.
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interesting my laddo's... Naa it's just I hail from there so if they're decent then I can pick their brains for things.
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11th March 2009, 20:21
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Originally Posted by Ryan
WHP differences usually are more about the calulation people use, unless its MAHAs in which case its if they have calibrated them correctly.
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should whp not be the same and the differences be in the fwhp?
it does tend to be the whp that varies though.
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11th March 2009, 20:21
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Originally Posted by adsayer
interesting my laddo's... Naa it's just I hail from there so if they're decent then I can pick their brains for things.
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they tend to have a few rally cars in when ive been down.
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11th March 2009, 20:23
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#67
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Quote:
Originally Posted by williamsvts
should whp not be the same and the differences be in the fwhp?
it does tend to be the whp that varies though.
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That's mad if the differences are at the wheelz... maybe ambient temps? better air supply?
my standard VTS got 137hp at the fly...
yeaaaaaaaaaa rite.
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11th March 2009, 20:24
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Originally Posted by Steve_VTS
iirc just over 140bhp. Dont quote me.
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Bought mine as the 2nd owner with 60 odd K on the clock. LAD conversion was done at 3k
When I bought it I took it to a RR session/diagnostics and it ran 126bhp!
After this I replaced a load of faulty sensors and plugs, fitted 708s and had a live map when it ran 152bhp. Since then gone back to standard cams and ecu, just have exhaust, induction and the remnants of the LAD headwork and ran 141 with the cat.
To be fair, if that's a true figure then the headwork can't be too shabby
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11th March 2009, 20:26
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#69
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from what i gather, LADs work isnt bad, just there power claims, just advertising really.
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11th March 2009, 20:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by williamsvts
should whp not be the same and the differences be in the fwhp?
it does tend to be the whp that varies though.
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Yep was meant to say flyHP marc.
WHP is effected more about the calibration of the rollers fly more about the calculations of the WHP
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11th March 2009, 20:28
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ah right, well i got 3hp difference at fly, and 10hp difference at wheels??
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11th March 2009, 20:28
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Originally Posted by williamsvts
from what i gather, LADs work isnt bad, just there power claims, just advertising really.
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yep lads work has had some great reviews from different owners. Just everyone knows you might aswell run your car on a mouse powered cotton reel and then do an excel graph, which will still be more accuarte than lads rollers
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11th March 2009, 20:29
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Originally Posted by williamsvts
ah right, well i got 3hp difference at fly, and 10hp difference at wheels??
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So would be that the rollers are totally differently calibrated (although ambient temps etc.....) then they prob dont use the same calculation for a fly figure. As most rolling roads the fly figure is a guestamate based on an estimated tranny loss, MAHAs are meant to calculate the tranny loss on run down, although again depends how well calibrated.
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11th March 2009, 23:21
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ive just read through the entire thread and and i love threads like these! its a classic case of chinese whispers again! while we are on the topic of power and uprated cams etcid like to have an input. i too have spent quite abit of cash on my spaxo, its cammed, all breathing mods etc except its never been mapped. it has 132 bhp at fly. which is shit tbh
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11th March 2009, 23:34
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One of my customers who went to a rolling road near him after I mapped him up on a Predator made 139bhp.
He then met someone who had a 155bhp ChipWizards tune, and was very surprised to find that actually his car was at least as fast.
Since I didn't set the cam timing up on this engine, the customer then had the cams swung round a bit and the map slightly altered to suit (no fuel alterations, just 2 degrees more advance up top power as I recall) and now he has 148bhp.
I wonder how the 155bhp car would do now?
Your car is just as fast after a disappointing RR day as it was when you loved it before-hand.
Don't get caught up in it people!! Don't be sold a piece of paper!
Kind regards
Andy
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11th March 2009, 23:39
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#76
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Originally Posted by luthor1
One of my customers who went to a rolling road near him after I mapped him up on a Predator made 139bhp.
He then met someone who had a 155bhp ChipWizards tune, and was very surprised to find that actually his car was at least as fast.
Since I didn't set the cam timing up on this engine, the customer then had the cams swung round a bit and the map slightly altered to suit (no fuel alterations, just 2 degrees more advance up top power as I recall) and now he has 148bhp.
I wonder how the 155bhp car would do now?
Your car is just as fast after a disappointing RR day as it was when you loved it before-hand.
Don't get caught up in it people!! Don't be sold a piece of paper!
Kind regards
Andy
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So much truth in this post.
Fergs car is a prime example,
makes low RR figures in comparison to others, but on the road performs really well.
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11th March 2009, 23:44
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its a bit unfair to pick on dj_russell. If he has forked out all that money then its a shame really.
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11th March 2009, 23:58
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#78
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^^^ Thanks Karl. LOL
In all seriousness it's true ... Mine always seem to get low RR figures but in the real world it did resonably well against Karl's 154 BHP VTS.
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12th March 2009, 10:54
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#79
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Quote:
Originally Posted by luthor1
...Don't be sold a piece of paper!
Andy
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...and the moral of the story is ^^^
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12th March 2009, 13:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferg
^^^ Thanks Karl. LOL
In all seriousness it's true ... Mine always seem to get low RR figures but in the real world it did resonably well against Karl's 154 BHP VTS.
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