Curious And Bored!! - Page 2 - Saxperience

WestyVTR · 27th June 2006, 16:19

500bhp out of a 1.6valver is great! but the cost would be silly estimated cost of this ppl?? ill go for around 12-18K!!

what about Tbs!?? a turbod VTS with TBs & a supercharger is this possible??

& to add to the discussion could you dump it in the rear so to make modding the block easier & more space for it too!

Hell y not just make it a V4 engine!! LMBO!! cut & shut jobby!

Barry123 · 27th June 2006, 17:21

suppose there would be nothing to stop two VTS engines being spiced together to create a V8 3.2

TVR did the same with two cerbera engines to create the engine for the speed 12

Scott^p · 27th June 2006, 17:25

throttle bodied and turbo/supercharged has already been done. Bucky ran TB and turbo, Sybez is running supercharger and TB. Ratty is going to be running TB and turbo

WestyVTR · 27th June 2006, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Scott

throttle bodied and turbo/supercharged has already been done. Bucky ran TB and turbo, Sybez is running supercharger and TB. Ratty is going to be running TB and turbo

oh my god that is pure SEX!! estimated price to turbo a TB saxo VTR???

ill start saving LOL!

but what i ment is to have throttle bodies & a turbo & a supercharger!!! or is that what you ment scott - that has been done already!

Scott^p · 27th June 2006, 20:46

not as far as im aware have all 3 been done, would be expensive but its very do able, like DP engineering (dutch) with the 1.4 twin turbo and supercharged http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/

WestyVTR · 27th June 2006, 20:53

didnt know it was supercharged also!!

thats quality engineering!!!

Bakes_vtr · 27th June 2006, 22:11

there was a renualt 5 turbo 1.4 8v running 300bhp at the wheels with about 50psi of boost if i remember correctly!

as people have said, you can get some stupid figures out of an enigne, if you have the cash and materails to achieve it!

S34MER · 27th June 2006, 23:06

there was a ren5 runnin 500bhp in a fast car mag if i remember it had two engines in it a red one i think???

S34MER · 27th June 2006, 23:28

well this has proven to be quite a discussion point hasn't it, if anyone has any photo's of any of the cars mentioned please post them i would be very interested to see them! cheers Oli

boro_andy · 28th June 2006, 00:17

a twin turbo supercharged 1.4 206??? jesus christ!!! i just got rid of my 1.4 206 as well...mind u it was fucked severly

S34MER · 28th June 2006, 09:44

so has it ever been done, I mean putting 2 engines in a saxo to make it a 3.2 v8. can u imagine? havin 2 engines in a saxo, one turbo'd the other supercharged and both fully modded to the dogs!! I love askin random questions u get the best answers!!!

Ratty · 28th June 2006, 11:33

seen twin engines being vts in front and rear, the rear is the best place to put one but if you were going to do it id put a bigger engine in then charge it

no need on a saxo for turbo and supercharger imo, its only a 1.6 so you tend to get the bets of everything from one or the other (although a turbo will always make more power than a s/c and thats fact)

S34MER · 28th June 2006, 11:39

true but u r more likely to get better acceleration from a s/c surely as it produces boost from the min ur foot touches the pedal, and there is no lag!!

Barry123 · 28th June 2006, 11:42

Supercharger - no lag, progressive acceleration
Turbo - lag but massive boost once spooled up.

Turbo all the way.

Scott^p · 28th June 2006, 12:00

could say that a supercharger has lag all the way through the rev range though as it will only peak boost at higher rev's where as once a turbo spools you have peak boost all the way

Ratty · 28th June 2006, 12:05

as said, you dont get boost from the second you put your foot down on a supercharger, a supercharger produces boost in a linear fashion e.g.

1k 2k 3k 4k 5k 6k 7k 8k
Supercharger: 0psi 2psi 3psi 5psi 7psi 9psi 11psi 14psi
Turbo: 0psi 2psi 7psi 14psi 14psi 14psi 14psi 14psi

so as you can see, you have an initial delay on the turbo but once it kicks it kicks and has full boost all the way to the rev limit (assuming you match the turbo correctly) Supercharger builts up boost as it goes on giving you a faster car the higher up the rev range, the turbo just kicks and goes (hence why turbos create more torque lower down) but they also break things faster because of this also.

infamousaidy · 28th June 2006, 14:58

anyone cosidered chemical treating the metal to make it stronger to take the power ie the block, pistons etc

Barry123 · 28th June 2006, 15:05

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Originally Posted by infamousaidy

anyone cosidered chemical treating the metal to make it stronger to take the power ie the block, pistons etc

already done with most engineering practices man.

Aerospace industry treat just about every metal that is in/on an aircraft. Although they arnt chemically treated, they go through a series of heat treatments in order to adjust the crystaline structure of the metals which inturn modifies properties depending on the requirement.

Fuselage skins require low-crack propagation and corrosion resistance for instance and will be heat treated differently to the fuselage braces which require high tensile strength.

then of course there is matallic alloys, or even adopting the use of composites such as carbon fibre in certain circumstances

Yates · 28th June 2006, 15:25

Just wondering,

What order would you do all the mods in? and how much would they roughly set you back? Not interested in turbo or sc tho, but curious to know how much tbs are. anyone?

Barry123 · 28th June 2006, 16:01

I'd smack on the killer mod first of all...

induction kit.

I would (if i were to ever bother arsing around with my engine), put most of the prep work in first... so forged pistons, porting and polishing etc first. obviously not massive benefits on their own but then start adding the big stuff and it begins to pay off.

then whack on some neons.